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    From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 09:45:37 2022
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Nov 23 12:05:21 2022
    On 11/23/22 11:45 AM, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste
    I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more
    really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    I have a quirky fondness for ancient tenors in "L'invitation au voyage":
    Hugues Cuénod, Charles Holland.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 11:27:06 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:05:26 PM UTC, MINe109 wrote:
    On 11/23/22 11:45 AM, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste
    I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more
    really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    I have a quirky fondness for ancient tenors in "L'invitation au voyage": Hugues Cuénod, Charles Holland.

    Well the Holland is going to be difficult to hear. Cuénod, like Pears and Erb, is a acquired taste!

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Nov 23 12:56:34 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.

    Sayao had a nice recording of CHANSON TRISTE.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Nov 23 13:14:12 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:36:55 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.

    Simoneau is hammy. Will check Panzera later

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Nov 23 12:36:53 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    Try Simoneau and Panzera.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Nov 23 13:19:57 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    Ninon Vallin recorded CHANSON T. and L'INVITACION....

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Nov 23 13:17:42 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:56:37 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Sayao had a nice recording of CHANSON TRISTE.

    Oh per . . . leaze! No! Can we have something domestic living room sized, salon sized?

    That being said, she does nice things with

    Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté,
    Luxe, calme et volupté.

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  • From LarryLap@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Nov 23 16:24:46 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Gerard Souzay is marvelous, of course, and so is Elly Ameling, but Panzera is incomparable, in a class by himself.

    Larry

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 24 00:57:23 2022
    Enjoying Bernac/Poulenc

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Nov 24 08:55:50 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:36:55 PM UTC, wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Simoneau is hammy. Will check Panzera later

    According to this:

    - In the hands of artists such as Gérard Souzay or Léopold Simoneau, one hears a marvel of synthesis in voice and piano — the poem as music.

    https://www.operanews.com/Opera_News_Magazine/2012/7/Departments/Coda_%E2%80%94_The_Perfectionist.html

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Nov 24 08:59:52 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:36:55 PM UTC, wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Simoneau is hammy. Will check Panzera later

    https://books.google.com/books?id=3JA4AQAAIAAJ&q=%22And+then+there%27s+the+Duparc+LP+,+one+of+the+most+desirable+of+song+recitals+.%22&dq=%22And+then+there%27s+the+Duparc+LP+,+one+of+the+most+desirable+of+song+recitals+.%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&
    sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU1_-Lpcf7AhXOEUQIHep7DkQQ6AF6BAgHEAI

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Nov 24 09:01:26 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:36:55 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Simoneau is hammy. Will check Panzera later

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22And+then+there%27s+the+Duparc+LP+%2C+one+of+the+most+desirable+of+song+recitals+.%22

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Nov 24 16:58:27 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record

    According to this:

    - The most essential complete versions are those by Kruysen and Simoneau; in their different ways, they are consistently stylish and involving performances...

    https://books.google.com/books?id=MPHLcCCl2GgC&pg=PA38&dq=%22The+most+essential+complete+versions+are+those+by+Kruysen+and+Simoneau;+in+their+different+ways,+they+are+consistently+stylish+and+involving+performances%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&
    ved=2ahUKEwjDnb79j8j7AhUXKEQIHSFYCEcQ6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=%22The%20most%20essential%20complete%20versions%20are%20those%20by%20Kruysen%20and%20Simoneau%3B%20in%20their%20different%20ways%2C%20they%20are%20consistently%20stylish%20and%20involving%
    20performances%22&f=false

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to LarryLap on Thu Nov 24 17:03:09 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-8, LarryLap wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Gerard Souzay is marvelous, of course, and so is Elly Ameling, but Panzera is incomparable, in a class by himself.

    Larry

    Concerning Panzera, I used to have the following lp but have no idea if its contents were ever transferred to cd:

    https://www.discogs.com/release/17807281-Charles-Panz%C3%A9ra-The-Early-Years

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Nov 24 18:01:21 2022
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:25:44 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:03:11 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-8, LarryLap wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Gerard Souzay is marvelous, of course, and so is Elly Ameling, but Panzera is incomparable, in a class by himself.

    Larry
    Concerning Panzera, I used to have the following lp but have no idea if its contents were ever transferred to cd:

    https://www.discogs.com/release/17807281-Charles-Panz%C3%A9ra-The-Early-Years
    (Y. upload):

    "Michel Dens - L'invitation au voyage."
    (Y. upload):

    "RARE! LIVE IN 1961 Nicolai Gedda sings CHANSON TRISTE by Duparc"

    (Y. upload):

    "Nicolai Gedda- L´invitation au Voyage"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Nov 24 17:21:45 2022
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:03:11 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-8, LarryLap wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Gerard Souzay is marvelous, of course, and so is Elly Ameling, but Panzera is incomparable, in a class by himself.

    Larry
    Concerning Panzera, I used to have the following lp but have no idea if its contents were ever transferred to cd:

    https://www.discogs.com/release/17807281-Charles-Panz%C3%A9ra-The-Early-Years

    (Y. upload):

    "Michel Dens - L'invitation au voyage."

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Nov 24 17:25:41 2022
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:03:11 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-8, LarryLap wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Gerard Souzay is marvelous, of course, and so is Elly Ameling, but Panzera is incomparable, in a class by himself.

    Larry
    Concerning Panzera, I used to have the following lp but have no idea if its contents were ever transferred to cd:

    https://www.discogs.com/release/17807281-Charles-Panz%C3%A9ra-The-Early-Years
    (Y. upload):

    "Michel Dens - L'invitation au voyage."

    (Y. upload):

    "RARE! LIVE IN 1961 Nicolai Gedda sings CHANSON TRISTE by Duparc"

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Nov 24 20:36:02 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:01:24 AM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:25:44 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:03:11 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-8, LarryLap wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Gerard Souzay is marvelous, of course, and so is Elly Ameling, but Panzera is incomparable, in a class by himself.

    Larry
    Concerning Panzera, I used to have the following lp but have no idea if its contents were ever transferred to cd:

    https://www.discogs.com/release/17807281-Charles-Panz%C3%A9ra-The-Early-Years
    (Y. upload):

    "Michel Dens - L'invitation au voyage."
    (Y. upload):

    "RARE! LIVE IN 1961 Nicolai Gedda sings CHANSON TRISTE by Duparc"
    (Y. upload):

    "Nicolai Gedda- L´invitation au Voyage"

    what do you think of Cunéod?

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to howie.stone01@gmail.com on Fri Nov 25 05:18:39 2022
    In article <4302cfd7-ac9f-4244-bfdf-04ba2bc8dcf2n@googlegroups.com>,
    Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
    what do you think of Cunéod?

    FWIW, there's actually a page at the EM FAQ if you hadn't noticed....

    http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/performers/cuenod.html

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  • From cheregi@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 25 09:04:44 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:56:37 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Sayao had a nice recording of CHANSON TRISTE.
    Oh per . . . leaze! No! Can we have something domestic living room sized, salon sized?

    That being said, she does nice things with

    Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté,
    Luxe, calme et volupté.

    really enjoying cuenod's faure and duparc recordings right now, seems exactly 'domestic living room sized, salon sized' no? i always feel like i want to hear chansons in something very close to 'natural' voice, closer than conservatory-trained singers
    are willing to go, but cuenod is really really almost there i think

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to cheregi on Fri Nov 25 09:10:38 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:04:46 PM UTC, cheregi wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:56:37 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Sayao had a nice recording of CHANSON TRISTE.
    Oh per . . . leaze! No! Can we have something domestic living room sized, salon sized?

    That being said, she does nice things with

    Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté,
    Luxe, calme et volupté.
    really enjoying cuenod's faure and duparc recordings right now, seems exactly 'domestic living room sized, salon sized' no? i always feel like i want to hear chansons in something very close to 'natural' voice, closer than conservatory-trained singers
    are willing to go, but cuenod is really really almost there i think

    If you like this sort of voice, it may be worth listening to Karl Erb and Peter Pears. Not that they resemble each other, but they are all three . . . how shall I put it . . . unique in their own way.

    ( I am a great fan of Erb and of the young Pears; I find Cuenod more challenging, but I agree that the Duparc is good.)

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 25 09:47:07 2022
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 8:36:05 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:01:24 AM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:25:44 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:03:11 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-8, LarryLap wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Gerard Souzay is marvelous, of course, and so is Elly Ameling, but Panzera is incomparable, in a class by himself.

    Larry
    Concerning Panzera, I used to have the following lp but have no idea if its contents were ever transferred to cd:

    https://www.discogs.com/release/17807281-Charles-Panz%C3%A9ra-The-Early-Years
    (Y. upload):

    "Michel Dens - L'invitation au voyage."
    (Y. upload):

    "RARE! LIVE IN 1961 Nicolai Gedda sings CHANSON TRISTE by Duparc"
    (Y. upload):

    "Nicolai Gedda- L´invitation au Voyage"
    what do you think of Cunéod?

    Cuenod had a series of lps on the Westminster label. What I remember liking was Arcadelt's "Voi Mi Ponest' In Foco" and Frecobaldi's "Se L’aura Spira":

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cuenod+westminster+lps&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=657&ei=nf2AY4m7KKPMkPIPgZGTMA&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAY4ELrbuOPbtddbAjcGWCbPl9RvjklFhL&ved=0ahUKEwjJ_fvu78n7AhUjJkQIHYHIBAYQ4dUDCAc&uact=5&oq=cuenod+westminster+lps&gs_lcp=
    CgNpbWcQAzoFCAAQgAQ6CAgAEIAEELEDOgYIABAFEB46BAgAEB5QAFjkMGDWNGgAcAB4AIABiAOIAZsTkgEIMTEuOS4xLjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to elirkerry@gmail.com on Fri Nov 25 19:43:08 2022
    In article <0d3961ff-d9eb-4701-bdc7-1a071579055an@googlegroups.com>,
    cheregi <elirkerry@gmail.com> wrote:
    i want to hear chansons in something very close to 'natural' voice,
    closer than conservatory-trained singers are willing to go, ...

    I'm not sure where I'd be today, musically speaking, if I enjoyed
    the Western classical-conservatory trained voice.... It always
    seemed so artificial to me. So whereas I enjoyed the instrumental
    music from a young age, I'm constantly turning elsewhere for
    voices....

    (Developing more suitable vocal instruments for medieval music has
    also been very welcome for me, of course.)

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  • From cheregi@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Fri Nov 25 18:05:32 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-5, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <0d3961ff-d9eb-4701...@googlegroups.com>,
    cheregi <elir...@gmail.com> wrote:
    i want to hear chansons in something very close to 'natural' voice,
    closer than conservatory-trained singers are willing to go, ...

    I'm not sure where I'd be today, musically speaking, if I enjoyed
    the Western classical-conservatory trained voice.... It always
    seemed so artificial to me. So whereas I enjoyed the instrumental
    music from a young age, I'm constantly turning elsewhere for
    voices....

    (Developing more suitable vocal instruments for medieval music has
    also been very welcome for me, of course.)

    here are some voices i've been enjoying recently

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaZT7iom3IM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnGx7P5dq7E

    i hope this isn't derailing the thread too much. i guess we can imagine these two singing duparc

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  • From cheregi@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 25 18:03:46 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 12:10:41 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:04:46 PM UTC, cheregi wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:56:37 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Sayao had a nice recording of CHANSON TRISTE.
    Oh per . . . leaze! No! Can we have something domestic living room sized, salon sized?

    That being said, she does nice things with

    Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté,
    Luxe, calme et volupté.
    really enjoying cuenod's faure and duparc recordings right now, seems exactly 'domestic living room sized, salon sized' no? i always feel like i want to hear chansons in something very close to 'natural' voice, closer than conservatory-trained
    singers are willing to go, but cuenod is really really almost there i think
    If you like this sort of voice, it may be worth listening to Karl Erb and Peter Pears. Not that they resemble each other, but they are all three . . . how shall I put it . . . unique in their own way.

    ( I am a great fan of Erb and of the young Pears; I find Cuenod more challenging, but I agree that the Duparc is good.)

    i agree there's a connection between cuenod, erb, and pears, and i like the latter two more now than when we last talked about them. i am guessing i find cuenod easier than the other two for the exact reasons you find him more difficult...

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 25 18:26:35 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    Considering that she was Debussy's 2nd Melisande, could the following give an idea of how she sounded?

    (2022 Y. upload):

    "Maggie Teyte: from Pelléas:: 5 scenes, 5 roles: Town Hall: 1/15/48"

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to cheregi on Sat Nov 26 01:09:32 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:04:46 PM UTC, cheregi wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:56:37 PM UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    Try Simoneau and Panzera.
    Sayao had a nice recording of CHANSON TRISTE.
    Oh per . . . leaze! No! Can we have something domestic living room sized, salon sized?

    That being said, she does nice things with

    Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté,
    Luxe, calme et volupté.
    really enjoying cuenod's faure and duparc recordings right now, seems exactly 'domestic living room sized, salon sized' no? i always feel like i want to hear chansons in something very close to 'natural' voice, closer than conservatory-trained singers
    are willing to go, but cuenod is really really almost there i think

    A voice which seems to me to have the good features of “trained” and “natural” is Peter Schreier’s. This week I was listening to his Schumann op 90.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Dec 2 19:13:58 2022
    On 11/23/22 12:45 PM, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    I'm no expert in song (or in anything really) but I have two CDs of
    Duparc songs I can recommend.

    Here's an album of the complete songs with Thomas Allen and Sarah
    Walker. Both are in good voice and make some effort at interpretation:

    https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7944812--henri-duparc-the-complete-songs

    I also have Janet Baker performing a few songs in the orchestral
    versions. I've never appreciated her "hooty" voice: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8112808--dame-janet-baker-song-recital

    But out of a nagging desire to be gobsmacked, I sought out the Maggie
    Teyte version - and my gob was enormously smacked! The song had an
    tremendous effect - it was almost like an Edith Piaf rendition!

    I enjoy Lieder and Melodies particularly due to the tight integration
    between the words and the music, but unfortunately all too often the
    words have no inflection or emphasis in many performances.

    I'm not asking for overemphasis like Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau,
    but the song should mean something - and Teyte makes sure it does.

    I found the Teyte version at Internet Archive, and the only commercial
    release was at Apple - a needle drop called "French Art Songs".

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 2 18:22:17 2022
    On 12/2/22 6:13 PM, Notsure01 wrote:

    I found the Teyte version at Internet Archive, and the only commercial release was at Apple - a needle drop called "French Art Songs".

    L'invitation au voyage and Phydilé are on Dutton's "The Pocket Prima
    Donna" collection. It's currently on sale:

    https://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=CDBP9724

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Dec 2 20:07:37 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    (2022 Y. upload):

    "Camille Maurane; "L'invitation au voyage"; Henri Duparc"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Dec 2 20:33:32 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/DNsTnoykYdM/m/dlC053LuJPAJ

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  • From Jonathan Ben Schragadove@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 15:46:32 2022
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 11/23/22 12:45 PM, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    I'm no expert in song (or in anything really) but I have two CDs of
    Duparc songs I can recommend.

    Here's an album of the complete songs with Thomas Allen and Sarah
    Walker. Both are in good voice and make some effort at interpretation:

    https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7944812--henri-duparc-the-complete-songs

    I also have Janet Baker performing a few songs in the orchestral
    versions. I've never appreciated her "hooty" voice: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8112808--dame-janet-baker-song-recital

    But out of a nagging desire to be gobsmacked, I sought out the Maggie
    Teyte version - and my gob was enormously smacked! The song had an tremendous effect - it was almost like an Edith Piaf rendition!

    I enjoy Lieder and Melodies particularly due to the tight integration between the words and the music, but unfortunately all too often the
    words have no inflection or emphasis in many performances.

    I'm not asking for overemphasis like Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau,
    but the song should mean something - and Teyte makes sure it does.

    I found the Teyte version at Internet Archive, and the only commercial release was at Apple - a needle drop called "French Art Songs".

    I have the Hyperion with Walker and Allen, but I'm not crazy about the singing, especially Walker. Earlier this year Signum released a complete Duparc but I haven't heard it.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Jonathan Ben Schragadove on Mon Dec 5 14:00:21 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:46:35 PM UTC, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 11/23/22 12:45 PM, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.
    I'm no expert in song (or in anything really) but I have two CDs of
    Duparc songs I can recommend.

    Here's an album of the complete songs with Thomas Allen and Sarah
    Walker. Both are in good voice and make some effort at interpretation:

    https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7944812--henri-duparc-the-complete-songs

    I also have Janet Baker performing a few songs in the orchestral
    versions. I've never appreciated her "hooty" voice: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8112808--dame-janet-baker-song-recital

    But out of a nagging desire to be gobsmacked, I sought out the Maggie Teyte version - and my gob was enormously smacked! The song had an tremendous effect - it was almost like an Edith Piaf rendition!

    I enjoy Lieder and Melodies particularly due to the tight integration between the words and the music, but unfortunately all too often the
    words have no inflection or emphasis in many performances.

    I'm not asking for overemphasis like Schwarzkopf and Fischer-Dieskau,
    but the song should mean something - and Teyte makes sure it does.

    I found the Teyte version at Internet Archive, and the only commercial release was at Apple - a needle drop called "French Art Songs".
    I have the Hyperion with Walker and Allen, but I'm not crazy about the singing, especially Walker. Earlier this year Signum released a complete Duparc but I haven't heard it.

    Thanks for mentioning the Signum release. I’m finding myself really intrigued by Huw Montague Rendall’s voice - really characterful!

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Dec 5 16:12:35 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:45:39 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    Having just been gobsmacked by Maggie Teyte singing Chanson Triste I’m hoping that the experts in song here will direct me to more really outstanding examples of Duparc on record.

    (From SONG ON RECORD, V.2):

    https://books.google.com/books?id=MPHLcCCl2GgC&pg=PA227&dq=song+on+record+volume+2&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi49NWj2uP7AhVpLUQIHf94DjUQuwV6BAgCEAY#v=onepage&q=duparc&f=false

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 11 14:57:35 2022
    Enjoying Kruysen/Lee this evening, Kruysen has an attractive voice of charcoal coloured velvet which I don’t get tired of. I remember a really special Four Serious Songs from him, I’ll try to find it tomorrow.

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