"'We Are the World' by Michael Jackson and
Lionel Richie is the song that breaks through
all the barriers in this world. If we had
more songs like that, there would be no wars."
-- Lang Lang, BBC Music Magazine November 2022 page 122
Rubbish, of course.
Climate change is more important than wars anyway.
Rubbish, of course.Ukraine war has put climate on the back burner, so to speak.
Climate change is more important than wars anyway.
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 5:38:59 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
Rubbish, of course.Ukraine war has put climate on the back burner, so to speak.
Climate change is more important than wars anyway.
It lays bare the chasm between rhetoric and reality in energy policy.
On 11/22/2022 7:22 PM, number_six wrote:ameliorate the effects of global warming in the future, it is reasonable to change that decision if bombs start raining down.
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 5:38:59 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:If I understand you correctly, I don't think that's fair. There is always a trade-off between the present and the future. If a person or government had decided that it was appropriate to reduce the present standard of living by x% in order to
Rubbish, of course.Ukraine war has put climate on the back burner, so to speak.
Climate change is more important than wars anyway.
It lays bare the chasm between rhetoric and reality in energy policy.
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:16:27 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:ameliorate the effects of global warming in the future, it is reasonable to change that decision if bombs start raining down.
On 11/22/2022 7:22 PM, number_six wrote:
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 5:38:59 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:If I understand you correctly, I don't think that's fair. There is always a trade-off between the present and the future. If a person or government had decided that it was appropriate to reduce the present standard of living by x% in order to
Rubbish, of course.Ukraine war has put climate on the back burner, so to speak.
Climate change is more important than wars anyway.
It lays bare the chasm between rhetoric and reality in energy policy.
Andy asserted that climate change was more important than wars and, perhaps inartfully, I countered that climate policy had been subordinated to war policy.
The trade-off you cite is real. The chasm to which I referred is that between (a) rhetoric at Glasgow /Sharm el-Sheikh COP conferences, and (b) European reliance on non-renewables from Russia.
Hope this helps clarify what I was getting at.
There is always a trade-off between the present and the future. If a person or government had decided that it was appropriate to reduce the present standard of living by x% in order to ameliorate the effects of global warming in the future, it isreasonable to change that decision if bombs start raining down.
None of this fixes the emissions which are poisoning the planet.
Reasonable thinking has failed and will continue to fail. We need
new thinking and an end to "reasonable" excuses, carbon trading
and all the rest of the "reasonable" cop outs from actually fixing
the problem.
On Wednesday, 23 November 2022 at 01:16:27 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:reasonable to change that decision if bombs start raining down.
There is always a trade-off between the present and the future. If a person or government had decided that it was appropriate to reduce the present standard of living by x% in order to ameliorate the effects of global warming in the future, it is
It's reasonable to delay action because of voters who insist on their creature comforts, because of wars, because of heavy investment in fossil fuels, because we need nice warm houses, because, because, because........actually fixing the problem.
None of this fixes the emissions which are poisoning the planet. Reasonable thinking has failed and will continue to fail. We need new thinking and an end to "reasonable" excuses, carbon trading and all the rest of the "reasonable" cop outs from
Pigs will fly before commonsense
and real concern prevails.
On Wednesday, 23 November 2022 at 01:16:27 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:reasonable to change that decision if bombs start raining down.
There is always a trade-off between the present and the future. If a person or government had decided that it was appropriate to reduce the present standard of living by x% in order to ameliorate the effects of global warming in the future, it is
It's reasonable to delay action because of voters who insist on their creature comforts, because of wars, because of heavy investment in fossil fuels, because we need nice warm houses, because, because, because........actually fixing the problem.
None of this fixes the emissions which are poisoning the planet. Reasonable thinking has failed and will continue to fail. We need new thinking and an end to "reasonable" excuses, carbon trading and all the rest of the "reasonable" cop outs from
"I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means -- except by getting off his back." Tolstoy
Have you defaced any art treasures lately, Andy? Or glued yourself to a runway? What are you waiting for?
Rubbish, of course.
Climate change is more important than wars anyway.
On Thursday, 24 November 2022 at 19:26:58 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
Have you defaced any art treasures lately, Andy? Or glued yourself to a runway? What are you waiting for?
I have the greatest respect for climate activists.
You seem to think this is all a joke in whatever world your head lives in.
Climate change is more important than wars anyway.Ok I guess we can just end all aid to Ukraine then ..........
And focus everything on this predicted end of the world scenario that never comes.
First we had Armageddon in 400 A.D, Nostrodamus in 1550, Malthus in 1800, Global cooling in 1970, and Global warming in 1990 and 42 failed end of world predictions for the year 2000.
What crap is next?
You seem to think this is all a joke in whatever world your head lives in.I certainly don't think defacing precious works of hart or even gluing yourself to a runway is at all humorous.
On Friday, 25 November 2022 at 05:16:54 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
You seem to think this is all a joke in whatever world your head lives in. >> I certainly don't think defacing precious works of hart or even gluing yourself to a runway is at all humorous.
So now you think gluing yourself to a runway is a more serious offence than destroying the world's climate?
Let's face it Frank, you have absolutely nothing of any value to say about climate change. What is the point of adding all these trivialities - does it make you feel inside your head that your views have any kind of weight? Is there some kind of innersatisfaction in the idea that someone, somewhere in the universe, will think you're a smart guy who has got all this right.......?
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