https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo
He makes Richter sound tame.
On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:35:53 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo
He makes Richter sound tame.By the way, I like Matsuzawa more, but this Feinberg is a force of nature - maybe not a very agreeable force of nature.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo
He makes Richter sound tame.
On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:35:53 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo
He makes Richter sound tame.
Richter is not your man in Scriabin,
he doesn't really "get" Scriabin.
You need Horowitz, Sofronitsky or
Feinberg. In the 5th it's Horowitz
all the way for me.
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:35:53 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo
He makes Richter sound tame.
Richter is not your man in Scriabin,
he doesn't really "get" Scriabin.
You need Horowitz, Sofronitsky orhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2f-sOK0MmJI37EqiI2UGRbe8vGOK5cVw
Feinberg. In the 5th it's Horowitz
all the way for me.
dk
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:35:53 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo
He makes Richter sound tame.
Richter is not your man in Scriabin,
he doesn't really "get" Scriabin.
You need Horowitz, Sofronitsky or
Feinberg. In the 5th it's Horowitz
all the way for me.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2f-sOK0MmJI37EqiI2UGRbe8vGOK5cVw
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:36:40 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:35:53 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo
He makes Richter sound tame.
Richter is not your man in Scriabin,
he doesn't really "get" Scriabin.
You need Horowitz, Sofronitsky or
Feinberg. In the 5th it's Horowitz
all the way for me.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2f-sOK0MmJI37EqiI2UGRbe8vGOK5cVw
That's a playlist. You have to give a link to the
individual video. Private playlists don't open.
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
dk
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on
the first attempt to access new playlists.
It's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good
modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
dkIt's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:01:39 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
Have you heard Ugorski's cycle? I think it's beautiful. Here's the 10thdkIt's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HA70jcC-oLmevNa0EFVDrFtVf_1YwgIK/view
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:21:22 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:01:39 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
Have you heard Ugorski's cycle? I think it's beautiful. Here's the 10thdkIt's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HA70jcC-oLmevNa0EFVDrFtVf_1YwgIK/viewRe Horowitz I've been enjoying this evil sounding 9th (I mean evil in a satanic way) from Horowitz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9PA9NlSGhI&ab_channel=Sofronichrist
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:01:39 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
It's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
Have you heard Ugorski's cycle? I think it's beautiful. Here's the 10th
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HA70jcC-oLmevNa0EFVDrFtVf_1YwgIK/view
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:21:22 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:01:39 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
It's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
Have you heard Ugorski's cycle? I think it's beautiful. Here's the 10th
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HA70jcC-oLmevNa0EFVDrFtVf_1YwgIK/viewhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m33zbfRdIRhetM4YelFnpx2TT34MaUbvs
As much as I like Ugorsky in general, in
Scriabin he sounds a little underpowered
to my ears. Not enough hair perhaps? ;-)
dk
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:32:35 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:21:22 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:01:39 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
It's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
Have you heard Ugorski's cycle? I think it's beautiful. Here's the 10th
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HA70jcC-oLmevNa0EFVDrFtVf_1YwgIK/viewhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m33zbfRdIRhetM4YelFnpx2TT34MaUbvs
As much as I like Ugorsky in general, in
Scriabin he sounds a little underpowered
to my ears. Not enough hair perhaps? ;-)
You're right to say that it's not about speed,
strength power -- nevertheless this has caught
my imagination more than the DG recording.
https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-1-10/dp/B003CM8VBI
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:32:35 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
As much as I like Ugorsky in general, in
Scriabin he sounds a little underpowered
to my ears. Not enough hair perhaps? ;-)
You're right to say that it's not about speed,
strength power -- nevertheless this has caught
my imagination more than the DG recording.
https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-1-10/dp/B003CM8VBI
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:37:31 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:32:35 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:21:22 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:01:39 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
It's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
Have you heard Ugorski's cycle? I think it's beautiful. Here's the 10th
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HA70jcC-oLmevNa0EFVDrFtVf_1YwgIK/viewhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m33zbfRdIRhetM4YelFnpx2TT34MaUbvs
As much as I like Ugorsky in general, in
Scriabin he sounds a little underpowered
to my ears. Not enough hair perhaps? ;-)
You're right to say that it's not about speed,
strength power -- nevertheless this has caught
my imagination more than the DG recording.
https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-1-10/dp/B003CM8VBINot competitive in my opinion. Ugorsky is too
sane and balanced to really get into Scriabin's
world. He reminds me in some ways of Maria
Grinberg and Lev Oborin. Superb pianism,
very well rounded, not enough edges.
dk
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:47:15 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:37:31 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:32:35 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 12:21:22 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:01:39 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:43:03 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Try again. YouTube sometimes hiccups on the
first attempt to access new playlists.
It's nice. So good to hear Scriabin in good modern sound after Sofronitsky and Horowitz.
Have you heard Ugorski's cycle? I think it's beautiful. Here's the 10th
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HA70jcC-oLmevNa0EFVDrFtVf_1YwgIK/viewhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m33zbfRdIRhetM4YelFnpx2TT34MaUbvs
As much as I like Ugorsky in general, in
Scriabin he sounds a little underpowered
to my ears. Not enough hair perhaps? ;-)
You're right to say that it's not about speed,
strength power -- nevertheless this has caught
my imagination more than the DG recording.
https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-1-10/dp/B003CM8VBINot competitive in my opinion. Ugorsky is too
sane and balanced to really get into Scriabin's
world. He reminds me in some ways of Maria
Grinberg and Lev Oborin. Superb pianism,
very well rounded, not enough edges.
dkWhat I’ve learned from Ugorski is that edges aren’t necessary in Scriabin for me.
This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no opinion - since IThe Villa Sonata 10 I linked above.
don't know Scriabin's piano music at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or "specifics" could one of you recommend a few versions to
start with? Thanks!!
This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no opinion - since I
don't know Scriabin's piano music at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or "specifics" could one of you recommend a few versions to
start with? Thanks!!
This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no opinion - since I
don't know Scriabin's piano music at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or "specifics" could one of you recommend a few versions to
start with? Thanks!!
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:47:15 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Not competitive in my opinion. Ugorsky is too
sane and balanced to really get into Scriabin's
world. He reminds me in some ways of Maria
Grinberg and Lev Oborin. Superb pianism,
very well rounded, not enough edges.
What I’ve learned from Ugorski is that
edges aren’t necessary in Scriabin for
me.
This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no
opinion - since I don't know Scriabin's piano music
at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or
"specifics" could one of you recommend a few
versions to start with? Thanks!!
On 11/9/22 4:30 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:16:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no
opinion - since I don't know Scriabin's piano music
at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or
"specifics" could one of you recommend a few
versions to start with? Thanks!!
1) Buy or borrow the scores if you don't already
have them:
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Piano-Sonatas-Dover-Music/dp/0486258505/ https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Preludes-Etudes-Pianoforte-Dover/dp/048622919X/
https://www.amazon.com/Mazurkas-Poemes-Impromptus-Other-Pieces/dp/0486265552/
2) Listen to Sofronitsky, Feinberg, Zhukov, Richter, Szidon:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lHgCh8k7gPBC19ieuIXuISJuwuL67CJs4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lz-WL0opW1vHGV_s3MAPVEUdrYbN4SxfQ
https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Etc-SHM-CD/dp/B09L3THNPV/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA
3) Listen, take notes, compare, think, listen again, etc...
There are no shortcuts. All the information I provided
can be easily found in 10 minutes if one trains one's
fingers to ask Google every day.
Dan, as always I appreciate your feedback, but what Andy Evans
provided is more what I had in mind - a few performances to help
towards appreciation of Scriabin's work - or not.
If someone new to music asked me how to start with Beethoven
sonatas I wouldn't suggest getting the scores
or acquiring the Lim set. I wouldn't suggest listening to No. 29 or
No. 20 or No. 1 performed by Backhaus, but rather would point
them to a version of 14, or 8, or 23 done by a great pianist like....
uhh... H. J. Lim
I'm not looking for a shortcut, but I have limited time available
when I'm not typing pointless forum posts, and there are
numerous pieces of music I could choose.
I've somehow missed out on Scriabin and it is about time I did
listen - as it happens I have a Horowitz Original Jackets box with
a whole Scriabin album - any suggestions as to specific etudes or
sonatas I should start with??
I've somehow missed out on Scriabin and it is about time I did listen -
as it happens I have a Horowitz Original Jackets box with a whole
Scriabin album - any suggestions as to specific etudes or sonatas I
should start with??
Thanks - and thanks Andy!
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:45:45 AM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:
I've somehow missed out on Scriabin and it is about time I did listen -
as it happens I have a Horowitz Original Jackets box with a whole
Scriabin album - any suggestions as to specific etudes or sonatas I
should start with??
Thanks - and thanks Andy!The opus 11 is an excellent place to start.
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:27:14 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:45:45 AM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:
without being overwhelmed. I’m thinking of the early preludes. Also the slow movement of the Piano Concerto.I've somehow missed out on Scriabin and it is about time I did listen - as it happens I have a Horowitz Original Jackets box with a whole Scriabin album - any suggestions as to specific etudes or sonatas I should start with??
Scriabin’s biographer, Faubian Bowers described the young Scriabin as having “a nervous system cut open and exposed’. His early music owes a great debt to Chopin - it can be heart-breaking to the point where you can only listen to a small amountThanks - and thanks Andy!The opus 11 is an excellent place to start.
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:27:14 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:45:45 AM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:
without being overwhelmed. I’m thinking of the early preludes. Also the slow movement of the Piano Concerto.I've somehow missed out on Scriabin and it is about time I did listen - as it happens I have a Horowitz Original Jackets box with a whole Scriabin album - any suggestions as to specific etudes or sonatas I should start with??
Scriabin’s biographer, Faubian Bowers described the young Scriabin as having “a nervous system cut open and exposed’. His early music owes a great debt to Chopin - it can be heart-breaking to the point where you can only listen to a small amountThanks - and thanks Andy!The opus 11 is an excellent place to start.
Did Zhukov leave a recording of all op 11 anywhere?
On Thursday, 10 November 2022 at 12:48:28 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
Did Zhukov leave a recording of all op 11 anywhere?
Don't know. I have Elena Kushnarova in all 24 who is
good but not great, Sofronitsky and Horowitz are better
in selections. Pletnev is good in all 24 if you find his
version, with good sound.
On Thursday, 10 November 2022 at 12:48:28 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
Did Zhukov leave a recording of all op 11 anywhere?Don't know. I have Elena Kushnarova in all 24 who is good but not great, Sofronitsky and Horowitz are better in selections. Pletnev is good in all 24 if you find his version, with good sound.
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 4:45:45 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
On 11/9/22 4:30 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:16:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no
opinion - since I don't know Scriabin's piano music
at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or
"specifics" could one of you recommend a few
versions to start with? Thanks!!
1) Buy or borrow the scores if you don't already
have them:
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Piano-Sonatas-Dover-Music/dp/0486258505/ https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Preludes-Etudes-Pianoforte-Dover/dp/048622919X/
https://www.amazon.com/Mazurkas-Poemes-Impromptus-Other-Pieces/dp/0486265552/
2) Listen to Sofronitsky, Feinberg, Zhukov, Richter, Szidon:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lHgCh8k7gPBC19ieuIXuISJuwuL67CJs4
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lz-WL0opW1vHGV_s3MAPVEUdrYbN4SxfQ
https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Etc-SHM-CD/dp/B09L3THNPV/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA
3) Listen, take notes, compare, think, listen again, etc...
There are no shortcuts. All the information I provided
can be easily found in 10 minutes if one trains one's
fingers to ask Google every day.
Dan, as always I appreciate your feedback, but what Andy Evans
provided is more what I had in mind - a few performances to help
towards appreciation of Scriabin's work - or not.
If someone new to music asked me how to start with BeethovenWhy not? Anything wrong with reading the sources ?!?
sonatas I wouldn't suggest getting the scores
or acquiring the Lim set. I wouldn't suggest listening to No. 29 or
No. 20 or No. 1 performed by Backhaus, but rather would point
them to a version of 14, or 8, or 23 done by a great pianist like.... uhh... H. J. Lim
Why Backhaus? Why not Schnabel? Or Gulda? Or Brendull? Or
Yves Nat? Or Maria Grinberg? Inquiring minds would like to
find out.
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 5:05:09 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
If someone new to music asked me how to start with BeethovenWhy not? Anything wrong with reading the sources ?!?
sonatas I wouldn't suggest getting the scores
or acquiring the Lim set. I wouldn't suggest listening to No. 29 or
No. 20 or No. 1 performed by Backhaus, but rather would point
them to a version of 14, or 8, or 23 done by a great pianist like.... uhh... H. J. Lim
Why Backhaus? Why not Schnabel? Or Gulda? Or Brendull? Or
Yves Nat? Or Maria Grinberg? Inquiring minds would like to
find out.
Why not Kehrer?That part of the conversation was about Boring Van Beethoven's
Piano Sonata sets -- not about Scriabin's piano music. And while
I am a great Kehrer fan, I don't think Scriabin was his forte.
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
If someone new to music asked me how to start with BeethovenWhy not? Anything wrong with reading the sources ?!?
sonatas I wouldn't suggest getting the scores
or acquiring the Lim set. I wouldn't suggest listening to No. 29 or
No. 20 or No. 1 performed by Backhaus, but rather would point
them to a version of 14, or 8, or 23 done by a great pianist like.... uhh... H. J. Lim
Why Backhaus? Why not Schnabel? Or Gulda? Or Brendull? Or
Yves Nat? Or Maria Grinberg? Inquiring minds would like to
find out.
Why not Kehrer?
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 5:05:09 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
If someone new to music asked me how to start with BeethovenWhy not? Anything wrong with reading the sources ?!?
sonatas I wouldn't suggest getting the scores
or acquiring the Lim set. I wouldn't suggest listening to No. 29 or
No. 20 or No. 1 performed by Backhaus, but rather would point
them to a version of 14, or 8, or 23 done by a great pianist like.... uhh... H. J. Lim
Why Backhaus? Why not Schnabel? Or Gulda? Or Brendull? Or
Yves Nat? Or Maria Grinberg? Inquiring minds would like to
find out.
Why not Kehrer?That part of the conversation was about Boring Van Beethoven's
Piano Sonata sets -- not about Scriabin's piano music. And while
I am a great Kehrer fan, I don't think Scriabin was his forte.
BTW if one is looking for a Scriabin ser recorded by a
Russian/German pianist, Elena Richter's would be a
better candidate:
dk
i have Marta Deyanova in op 11 but haven't heard it in
a long time, so i neither encourage nor dissuade others.
On 11/10/2022 11:11 PM, Herman wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:05:24 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
BTW if one is looking for a Scriabin ser recorded by a
Russian/German pianist, Elena Richter's would be a
better candidate:
dk
Most people do not check the ethnic / race credentials of musicians first. we're not in the Third Reich anymore.A perfect example of you are labeled politically correct or excessively woke." A reference to race, nationality or ethnicity is not necessarily racist or even inappropriate.
On 11/9/22 4:28 PM, Andy Evans wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 21:16:03 UTC, Notsure01 wrote:
This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no opinion - since I >> don't know Scriabin's piano music at all! If I promise not to ask for
"examples" or "specifics" could one of you recommend a few versions to
start with? Thanks!!
Start with the 24 Preludes opus 11, and Sonatas 2, 4 and 5. Sofronitsky or Horowitz.
There are a few CDs of Horowitz in various works - all good. Sofronitsky recorded almost everything.Thanks for the suggestions.. I've now listened to Op. 11 Preludes with Horowitz, as well as Op. 74 with Gilels and found them interesting and enjoyable.
Then I heard Sonata 5 with Horowitz - and for once I'm (almost) at a
loss for words! Wow - it is absolutely phenomenal!
Consider me now a (beginner) Scriabin fanatic and I can now begin
exploring other works. I really do appreciate all of your help - I'd
like to thank you - and my ears do also!
What is lacking in the Muti box I have is the piano
concerto, which will have to be got separately. Are
there any recommendations for the piano concerto?
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