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  • Superb Mendelssohn violin concerto by Soyoung Yoon

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 00:14:49 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 11:15:15 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 3:14:52 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

    superb?? no........... excellent technique, tone and musicality nothing special..........

    AB

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 11:38:48 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 3:14:52 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

    superb?? no........... excellent technique, tone and musicality nothing special..........


    Please recommend better alternatives.

    Thx

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to ljk...@aol.com on Tue Nov 8 12:37:09 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 9:27:45 PM UTC+1, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:23:29 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Kart wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:38:51 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    Hadelich

    Great violinist, and this performance has the advantage of a conductor who understands violin playing inside out.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to ljk...@aol.com on Tue Nov 8 12:43:11 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:23:29 PM UTC-8, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:38:51 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 3:14:52 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

    superb?? no........... excellent technique, tone and musicality nothing special..........

    Please recommend better alternatives.

    Haedlich

    https://youtu.be/YTEEV-yEtIM

    I know it. It is good, however to
    my ears it is not "better" than
    Soyoung Yoon's.

    In particular his tone sounds
    thinner than SY's. This may
    or may not be an artifact of
    the recording. Interpretation
    wise, H sounds to me more
    "whiny" for lack of a better
    term.

    I do not listen often to violin
    music and I do not claim any
    expertise in fiddling. Herman
    can probably provide more
    insight. To put in practical
    terms, I would not listen to
    Hadelich twice in this work.

    Among historical performances,
    Ida Haendel and Hemryk Szeryng
    stand out to my ears:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdsqJwjlHvU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsTd8Kp0yVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvfpSLhfGyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCrmxoyx2E

    I don't think Hadelich comes
    close to either. SY does.

    dk

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to Lawrence Kart on Tue Nov 8 12:27:43 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:23:29 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Kart wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:38:51 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 3:14:52 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

    superb?? no........... excellent technique, tone and musicality nothing special..........

    Please recommend better alternatives.

    Thx
    Haedlich

    https://youtu.be/YTEEV-yEtIM

    Oops -- make that Hadelich

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 12:23:26 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:38:51 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 3:14:52 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

    superb?? no........... excellent technique, tone and musicality nothing special..........

    Please recommend better alternatives.

    Thx

    Haedlich

    https://youtu.be/YTEEV-yEtIM

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Tue Nov 8 12:47:28 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:37:11 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 9:27:45 PM UTC+1, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:23:29 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Kart wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:38:51 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    Hadelich

    Great violinist, and this performance has the advantage
    of a conductor who understands violin playing inside out.

    Are you suggesting Penderecki does not understand violin
    playing sufficiently to conduct the Mendelssohn concerto?

    What does it exactly mean to say a conductor understands
    violin playing -- or not, or more than another conductors?

    Don't all conductors conduct violinists all the time? How
    is it possible for a conductor to function at all without
    understanding violin playing? Please elaborate. Provide
    more detail, preferably with examples.

    Thanks!

    dk

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 13:11:58 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:47:31 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:37:11 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 9:27:45 PM UTC+1, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:23:29 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Kart wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:38:51 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    Hadelich

    Great violinist, and this performance has the advantage
    of a conductor who understands violin playing inside out.
    Are you suggesting Penderecki does not understand violin
    playing sufficiently to conduct the Mendelssohn concerto?

    What does it exactly mean to say a conductor understands
    violin playing -- or not, or more than another conductors?

    Don't all conductors conduct violinists all the time? How
    is it possible for a conductor to function at all without
    understanding violin playing? Please elaborate. Provide
    more detail, preferably with examples.

    Thanks!

    dk

    Kogan

    https://youtu.be/GA3vrfsThbA

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 13:51:44 2022
    Great violinist, and this performance has the advantage of a conductor who understands violin playing inside out.

    how can you tell about the conductor??

    AB

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 14:05:32 2022
    I'm a fan of Hilary Hahn and she usually holds my interest, including here.

    The other recording I enjoy is Campoli with Van Beinum. Beautifully elegant playing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIgREmq5rhk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 17:09:07 2022
    On 11/8/2022 4:51 PM, AB wrote:

    Great violinist, and this performance has the advantage of a conductor who understands violin playing inside out.

    how can you tell about the conductor??

    AB


    Guessing he means the conductor is a violinist. Though I'd prefer understanding up and down to inside out.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 17:53:39 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:51:46 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
    Great violinist, and this performance has the advantage of a conductor who understands violin playing inside out.
    how can you tell about the conductor??

    AB

    it's the guy not holding an instrument.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Tue Nov 8 17:55:12 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:09:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:


    Guessing he means the conductor is a violinist.

    bingo

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 18:01:21 2022
    The Mendelssohn, together with the Bruch are the two violin concertos every violin student plays from start to finish by the time they're doing their exam so one can take it the conductor has played it many many times, too.
    This place in the curriculum makes it, frankly, kind of boring to see yet another rather young violinist perform the Mendelssohn or Bruch, even though they're wonderful pieces.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Herman on Tue Nov 8 19:05:35 2022
    On 2022-11-08 7:01 p.m., Herman wrote:
    The Mendelssohn, together with the Bruch are the two violin concertos every violin student plays from start to finish by the time they're doing their exam so one can take it the conductor has played it many many times, too.

    They are also early constituents of most classical music record collections.


    This place in the curriculum makes it, frankly, kind of boring to see yet another rather young violinist perform the Mendelssohn or Bruch, even though they're wonderful pieces.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Tue Nov 8 21:20:53 2022
    On 11/8/2022 8:53 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:51:46 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
    Great violinist, and this performance has the advantage of a conductor who understands violin playing inside out.
    how can you tell about the conductor??

    AB

    it's the guy not holding an instrument.

    Learn to read.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Tue Nov 8 18:54:16 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 5:53:42 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:51:46 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
    Great violinist, and this performance
    has the advantage of a conductor who
    understands violin playing inside out.

    how can you tell about the conductor??

    it's the guy not holding an instrument.

    Not always. Violinists and pianists
    self-conduct sometimes. And if the
    "guy" is not holding an instrument,
    how can one tell which instrument
    he/she might play if he/she were
    holding one? Fiddler logic .....

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 22:36:25 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:24:15 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 11/8/22 2:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 3:14:52 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

    superb?? no........... excellent technique, tone and musicality nothing special..........

    Please recommend better alternatives.

    Ms Yoon's tone sounded great to me - a very enjoyable performance. As
    for alternatives, I must have accumulated a dozen versions over the
    years, but one that really stands out is Perlman/Previn on Warner.
    Perlman's technique seems perfect, and his tone is beautiful. Phrases
    are full of character and Perlman and Previn are very dramatic. It is on
    YT here in a LP transfer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGVpCst1OTQ

    I very much prefer Szeryng and Ida Haendel to Perlman:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdsqJwjlHvU

    In general I do not like Perlman much. To
    my ears he tends to sound too sweet and
    syrupy. Szeryng strikes the right balance
    for me.

    dk

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Nov 9 01:24:10 2022
    On 11/8/22 2:38 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:15:18 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 3:14:52 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqjg2BMus8

    superb?? no........... excellent technique, tone and musicality nothing special..........


    Please recommend better alternatives.

    Thx


    Ms Yoon's tone sounded great to me - a very enjoyable performance. As
    for alternatives, I must have accumulated a dozen versions over the
    years, but one that really stands out is Perlman/Previn on Warner.
    Perlman's technique seems perfect, and his tone is beautiful. Phrases
    are full of character and Perlman and Previn are very dramatic. It is on
    YT here in a LP transfer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGVpCst1OTQ

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 23:36:29 2022
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:54:19 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    And if the
    "guy" is not holding an instrument,
    how can one tell which instrument
    he/she might play if he/she were
    holding one? Fiddler logic .....

    dk

    Yeah, this is the poster who tells people they're dumb?
    The conductor is Gabor Takacs-Nagy. He used to be a famous chamber music violinist.
    He had a famous string quartet named after him.
    If you only know (vaguely) about old-time musicians, and then only the big stars, why keep lecturing people about how they're stuck in the past?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Wed Nov 9 11:54:20 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:36:32 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:54:19 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    And if the
    "guy" is not holding an instrument,
    how can one tell which instrument
    he/she might play if he/she were
    holding one? Fiddler logic .....

    Yeah, this is the poster who tells people they're
    dumb? The conductor is Gabor Takacs-Nagy. He
    used to be a famous chamber music violinist. He
    had a famous string quartet named after him.

    This does not answer the original question. It rather
    confirms you have your head stuck in your ass. The
    conductor's name is not listed on the YT page with
    Hadelich's Mendelssohn Concerto.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEEV-yEtIM

    Do you expect people to recgnize every known
    fiddler in the universe?

    The bigger flaw in your argument is the assertion
    the conductor somehow makes this performance
    "better" by being a fiddler and knowing fiddling
    "inside out". Care to explain the connection?

    Care to show tangible evidence of how this
    conductor made the Mendelssohn "better"
    than other conductors?

    Personally I don't like Hadelich's reading of
    this work, and most of his performances.
    His tone tends towards screechy, his
    interpretations tend towards whyny.

    You have built not case whatsoever for
    this performance, other than throwing
    around names and adjectives.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Wed Nov 9 12:12:15 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:36:32 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:54:19 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    And if the
    "guy" is not holding an instrument,
    how can one tell which instrument
    he/she might play if he/she were
    holding one? Fiddler logic .....

    Yeah, this is the poster who tells people they're
    dumb? The conductor is Gabor Takacs-Nagy. He
    used to be a famous chamber music violinist. He
    had a famous string quartet named after him.

    This does not answer the original question. It rather
    confirms you have your head stuck in your ass. The
    conductor's name is not listed on the YT page with
    Hadelich's Mendelssohn Concerto.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEEV-yEtIM

    Do you expect people to recgnize every known
    fiddler in the universe?

    The bigger flaw in your argument is the assertion
    the conductor somehow makes this performance
    "better" by being a fiddler and knowing fiddling
    "inside out". Care to explain the connection?

    Care to show tangible evidence of how this
    conductor made the Mendelssohn "better"
    than other conductors?

    Personally I don't like Hadelich's reading of
    this work, and most of his performances.
    His tone tends towards screechy, his
    interpretations tend towards whyny.

    You have built no case whatsoever for
    this performance, other than throwing
    around names and adjectives.

    We are all of course entitled to our likes
    and dislikes. Worship Hadelich as much
    as you like. I prefer Kristóf Baráti, Pekka
    Kuusisto and Soyoung Yoon in all the
    repertoire I was able to compare them.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Wed Nov 9 13:15:28 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 6:01:23 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

    The Mendelssohn, together with the Bruch are the two
    violin concertos every violin student plays from start to
    finish by the time they're doing their exam so one can take
    it the conductor has played it many many times, too.

    The better fiddlers play the Paganini and the Wieniawski
    concertos before they even go to music school. One of
    my classmates played them all before she was 12, and
    Sibelius, Brahms, Tchaikovsky and Glazunov before she
    was 14.

    This place in the curriculum makes it, frankly, kind of
    boring to see yet another rather young violinist perform
    the Mendelssohn or Bruch, even though they're wonderful
    pieces.

    Henryk Szeryng, Ida Haendel and Ivry Gitlis can cure your
    boredom of young violinists performing standard works,
    allthough they all started as young prodigies in their time.

    In 1935 Ida Haendel made the finals of the first Wieniawski
    Competition at age 7. Ginette Neveu won the gold, and
    David Oistrakh won the silver.

    Judging from the names you throw around, I suppose
    none of these older violinists suit your style and taste.

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 10 02:17:05 2022
    This one-upmanship of yours is a terrible waste of bandwidth.
    Yes, twelve-year olds can play Mendelssohn, too. They play the notes.
    There's a reason I usually don't listen to very young performers.
    I love Szeryng, however, I don't go for what you do: when a living performer is mentioned say: you gotta listen to dead performers, and when a dead performer is mentioned: listen to some random eighteen-year old!
    Whenever a violinist in his or her prime is mentioned you complain about 'screechy', 'wobbly' or 'off-pitch'. Maybe you should upgrade your hearing aids. And please quit this hangup about competitions.

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