Gabriela Montero, Piano Concerto No 1 "Latin":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofL3E9dF6C4
Superb!
dk
Rachmaninoff: Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom - Estonian Philharmonic chamber choir, Kasparov Putnins
BIS
The October thread was one of the longest in recent memory. Let's keep
it going.
Thanks, Oscar for starting this month's thread.I don't have too much time for listening or posting, so I hope to chime in this thread with stuff I have been listening to going back to July.
"America": 20th century American choral music, performed (of course) by non-Americans: the SWR Vokalensemble, Stuttgart, directed by
Marcus Creed. Label: SWR/Hänssler. recorded 2013.
Works included:
Copland - Four Motets
Reich - Proverb
Cage - Five
Feldman - The Rothko Chapel
Bernstein - Missa Brevis
Barber - A Stopwatch and an Ordnance Map
The Copland and Cage are purely a capella; the othes include some percussion,
and the Feldman viola and keyboard(s) too. By far the most substantial
and (to me) most fascinating work is the Feldman. I would also put in
a particular word for Barber's effective dirge and for Bernstein's late conservative Missa Brevis, the latter of which is very well-crafted and features very effective use of bells and drums to support the vocalists.
The Copland is an attractive but not all-that-interesting student work; I have mixed feelings about the Reich and Cage.
The performers seemed quite effective; I would especially single out the violist (Andra Darzins) in the Feldman and the countertenor (Franz Vitzthum) in the Bernstein. (I have no idea if the Cage, which allows a great deal
of freedom, was at all idiomatically performed.)
I am not familiar with other recordings (and, indeed, the majority of the works were new to me), but I think it safe to recommend this CD.
--
Al Eisner
Something more substantive, a concerto by Jean Wiener:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcnLFzcuOLs
Henk
I've been stuck at home due to illness, so in addition to pestering
people with long posts, I've been revisiting old favorites and exploring
new works.
Thanks to a recent RMCR thread on Scriabin's piano Sonata no. 5 I
discovered this fantastic work - it packs enormous beauty and excitement
into 10 minutes or so - absolutely phenomenal!
I started with a Horowitz performance which was sitting on my shelves in
a Sony Original Jackets Horowitz box unplayed for years. That box seems
to be available on Amazon or the single Scriabin "RCA" CD is here: https://www.amazon.com/Horowitz-Plays-Scriabin-Alexander/dp/B000003EOZ
There is also a different Sony Original Jackets Horowitz box which has
the Scriabin album which was originally on Columbia: https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-original-jacket-collection-vladimir-horowitz/345674796
This includes 10 albums of prime Horowitz and can be downloaded from
Apple for $10! Based on good advice here (I assume) I also downloaded Sofronitsky performances here: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8604503--scriabine-sonates-pour-piano-les-indispensables-de-diapason
As a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album: https://www.amazon.com/Sings-Songs-Lehar-VARIOUS-ARTISTS/dp/B00000C3R4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3JR34ZFVTRP&keywords=hilde+guden&qid=1668419580&sprefix=hilde+guden%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1
This includes Kalman, Lehar, Fall, Stolz as well as Korngold - and Charpentier! Hilde is very lively but not in perfect voice, and the
orchestra and chorus tends to be overpowering. Still it is very
enjoyable, particularly the famous "Nun's Chorus" which was arranged by Benatzky from scraps of Johann Strauss music.
I've been stuck at home due to illness, so in addition to pestering
people with long posts, I've been revisiting old favorites and exploring
new works.
Thanks to a recent RMCR thread on Scriabin's piano Sonata no. 5 I
discovered this fantastic work - it packs enormous beauty and excitement
into 10 minutes or so - absolutely phenomenal!
I started with a Horowitz performance which was sitting on my shelves in
a Sony Original Jackets Horowitz box unplayed for years. That box seems
to be available on Amazon or the single Scriabin "RCA" CD is here: https://www.amazon.com/Horowitz-Plays-Scriabin-Alexander/dp/B000003EOZ
There is also a different Sony Original Jackets Horowitz box which has
the Scriabin album which was originally on Columbia: https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-original-jacket-collection-vladimir-horowitz/345674796
This includes 10 albums of prime Horowitz and can be downloaded from
Apple for $10! Based on good advice here (I assume) I also downloaded Sofronitsky performances here: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8604503--scriabine-sonates-pour-piano-les-indispensables-de-diapason
As a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album: https://www.amazon.com/Sings-Songs-Lehar-VARIOUS-ARTISTS/dp/B00000C3R4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3JR34ZFVTRP&keywords=hilde+guden&qid=1668419580&sprefix=hilde+guden%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1
This includes Kalman, Lehar, Fall, Stolz as well as Korngold - and Charpentier! Hilde is very lively but not in perfect voice, and the
orchestra and chorus tends to be overpowering. Still it is very
enjoyable, particularly the famous "Nun's Chorus" which was arranged by Benatzky from scraps of Johann Strauss music.
I've been stuck at home due to illness, so in addition to pestering
people with long posts, I've been revisiting old favorites and exploring
new works.
Thanks to a recent RMCR thread on Scriabin's piano Sonata no. 5 I
discovered this fantastic work - it packs enormous beauty and excitement
into 10 minutes or so - absolutely phenomenal!
I started with a Horowitz performance which was sitting on my shelves in
a Sony Original Jackets Horowitz box unplayed for years. That box seems
to be available on Amazon or the single Scriabin "RCA" CD is here: https://www.amazon.com/Horowitz-Plays-Scriabin-Alexander/dp/B000003EOZ
There is also a different Sony Original Jackets Horowitz box which has
the Scriabin album which was originally on Columbia: https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-original-jacket-collection-vladimir-horowitz/345674796
This includes 10 albums of prime Horowitz and can be downloaded from
Apple for $10! Based on good advice here (I assume) I also downloaded Sofronitsky performances here: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8604503--scriabine-sonates-pour-piano-les-indispensables-de-diapason
As a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album: https://www.amazon.com/Sings-Songs-Lehar-VARIOUS-ARTISTS/dp/B00000C3R4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3JR34ZFVTRP&keywords=hilde+guden&qid=1668419580&sprefix=hilde+guden%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1
This includes Kalman, Lehar, Fall, Stolz as well as Korngold - and Charpentier! Hilde is very lively but not in perfect voice, and the
orchestra and chorus tends to be overpowering. Still it is very
enjoyable, particularly the famous "Nun's Chorus" which was arranged by Benatzky from scraps of Johann Strauss music.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:53:22 PM UTC-5, Al Eisner wrote:
Thanks, Oscar for starting this month's thread.
"America": 20th century American choral music, performed (of course) by non-Americans: the SWR Vokalensemble, Stuttgart, directed by
Marcus Creed. Label: SWR/Hänssler. recorded 2013.
Works included:
Copland - Four Motets
Reich - Proverb
Cage - Five
Feldman - The Rothko Chapel
Bernstein - Missa Brevis
Barber - A Stopwatch and an Ordnance Map
The Copland and Cage are purely a capella; the othes include some percussion,
and the Feldman viola and keyboard(s) too. By far the most substantial
and (to me) most fascinating work is the Feldman. I would also put in
a particular word for Barber's effective dirge and for Bernstein's late conservative Missa Brevis, the latter of which is very well-crafted and features very effective use of bells and drums to support the vocalists. The Copland is an attractive but not all-that-interesting student work; I have mixed feelings about the Reich and Cage.
The performers seemed quite effective; I would especially single out the violist (Andra Darzins) in the Feldman and the countertenor (Franz Vitzthum)
in the Bernstein. (I have no idea if the Cage, which allows a great deal of freedom, was at all idiomatically performed.)
I am not familiar with other recordings (and, indeed, the majority of the works were new to me), but I think it safe to recommend this CD.I don't have too much time for listening or posting, so I hope to chime in this thread with stuff I have been listening to going back to July.
--
Al Eisner
Right now, Villa-Lobos quartets with the Cuarteto Latinoamericano, to celebrate Brazil's recent bicentennial and rejection of fascism at the ballot box.
On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:30:54 AM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
As a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album:
https://www.amazon.com/Sings-Songs-Lehar-VARIOUS-ARTISTS/dp/B00000C3R4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3JR34ZFVTRP&keywords=hilde+guden&qid=1668419580&sprefix=hilde+guden%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1
This includes Kalman, Lehar, Fall, Stolz as well as Korngold - and
Charpentier! Hilde is very lively but not in perfect voice, and the
orchestra and chorus tends to be overpowering. Still it is very
enjoyable, particularly the famous "Nun's Chorus" which was arranged by
Benatzky from scraps of Johann Strauss music.
If you like that kind of music, you might wish to see if the contents of the following lp has been issued on cd. Fredericke Sailer is an overlooked, underrated and neglected soprano:
https://www.discogs.com/release/12292169-Fritz-Wunderlich-Friederike-Sailer-Songs-From-Viennese-Operettas
Brahms String Quintets: #1 in F (Op. 88) and #2 in G (Op.111).
Boston Symphony Chamber Players: Joseph Silverstein and Max Hobart (violins),
Burton Fine and Patricia McCarty (violas), Jules Eskin (cello), recorded
in 1982 for Nonesuch (and hence not in the recent BSO players box set).
I also listened to the 1937 Budapest Quartet (with Alfred Hobday, viola) performance of #1.
Like all of the chamber music Brahms allowed to survive, these are
great works, and like the sextets very accessible. I came late to them, but better late than never. The Boston group is wonderful in the first
movement of #1, with a beautifully blended sound, yet bringing out the individual lines when needed. The mostly-slow second movement also
sounds fine to me, but the finale is perhaps a bit overly-emphatic.
The Budapest, in less good sound, disappoints in the opening by omitting
the exposition repeat (standard chamber music practice, I think, in the 1930's, and are generally less smooth than the Bostons - while still attractive. But I really love their other movements: the Grave second
has their hallmark intensity, and the finale has a grace which I find just right.
I have no signficiant reservations about the Boston #2. Their first
movement is joyous, their superb second both lyrical and dramatic. And so on. (I did not listen to comparisons, and I admit not being all that familiar with this work.) I certainly recommend their disk.
The October thread was one of the longest in recent memory. Let's keep it going.
On 11/14/22 4:02 PM, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:30:54 AM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
As a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album:
https://www.amazon.com/Sings-Songs-Lehar-VARIOUS-ARTISTS/dp/B00000C3R4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3JR34ZFVTRP&keywords=hilde+guden&qid=1668419580&sprefix=hilde+guden%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1
This includes Kalman, Lehar, Fall, Stolz as well as Korngold - and
Charpentier! Hilde is very lively but not in perfect voice, and the
orchestra and chorus tends to be overpowering. Still it is very
enjoyable, particularly the famous "Nun's Chorus" which was arranged by >> Benatzky from scraps of Johann Strauss music.
If you like that kind of music, you might wish to see if the contents of the following lp has been issued on cd. Fredericke Sailer is an overlooked, underrated and neglected soprano:
https://www.discogs.com/release/12292169-Fritz-Wunderlich-Friederike-Sailer-Songs-From-Viennese-OperettasThanks, Greg, for the suggestion. The name Friederike Sailer was
somewhat familiar to me, and then, amazingly enough it occurred to me
that I had recently listened to her! She appears on the Fritz Werner
version of Bach's cantata no. 26, one that has been a favorite recording
of mine ever since I had the MHS LP years ago.
In my defense I checked and see that she sings for only 51 seconds - but does a fine job! Also, as a Szellot in good standing I have Szell's
Salzburg performance of Magic Flute and she has a weightier part - First Lady...
I do enjoy what is called Operetta and am NotSure why it is considered
by some to be a lesser art form. Sullivan, Lehar, and J. Strauss in
their best work have created masterpieces - and Offenbach was the
greatest of all (not sure about Dostal...)
I did a quick search for Friederike Sailer recordings and found this: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8723529--beliebte-operettenmelodien
Thanks again.
On Sun, 13 Nov 2022, Al Eisner wrote:
Brahms String Quintets: #1 in F (Op. 88) and #2 in G (Op.111).
Boston Symphony Chamber Players: Joseph Silverstein and Max Hobart (violins),
Burton Fine and Patricia McCarty (violas), Jules Eskin (cello), recorded
in 1982 for Nonesuch (and hence not in the recent BSO players box set).
I also listened to the 1937 Budapest Quartet (with Alfred Hobday, viola) performance of #1.
Like all of the chamber music Brahms allowed to survive, these are
great works, and like the sextets very accessible. I came late to them, but better late than never. The Boston group is wonderful in the first
movement of #1, with a beautifully blended sound, yet bringing out the individual lines when needed. The mostly-slow second movement also
sounds fine to me, but the finale is perhaps a bit overly-emphatic.
The Budapest, in less good sound, disappoints in the opening by omitting the exposition repeat (standard chamber music practice, I think, in the 1930's, and are generally less smooth than the Bostons - while still attractive. But I really love their other movements: the Grave second
has their hallmark intensity, and the finale has a grace which I find just right.
I have no signficiant reservations about the Boston #2. Their first movement is joyous, their superb second both lyrical and dramatic. And so on. (I did not listen to comparisons, and I admit not being all that familiar with this work.) I certainly recommend their disk.Continuing with the Brahms chamber music theme: 1930's performances by
the Budapest String Quartet on a 2-CD Biddulph set, LAB-120, transerred
by Ward Marston. The set includes the two String Quintets, String
Quartets 2 znd 3, and the second String Sextet. So far as I can tell
from dates in a Budapest discigraphy, the lineup for the first four works
was Joseph Roisman, Alexander Schneider, Istvan Ipolyi, and Mischa
Schneider; fo the Sextet (which I have not listened to), violist Ipolyi
had been succeeded by Boris Kroyt.
Who said Brahms
in his last years was necessarily autumnal?
The October thread was one of the longest in recent memory. Let's keep it going.
Yakov Flier. Everything on YT. IMO
even easier to listen to than Gilels.
The Russian Piano School at its very
best.
On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yakov Flier. Everything on YT. IMOObviously! He was the better pianist.
even easier to listen to than Gilels.
The Russian Piano School at its veryUsing racist concepts and language
best.
again? ;-)
On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yakov Flier. Everything on YT. IMOObviously! He was the better pianist.
even easier to listen to than Gilels.
The Russian Piano School at its veryUsing racist concepts and language
best.
again? ;-)
dk
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 20. November 2022 um 21:28:10 UTC+1:
On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yakov Flier. Everything on YT. IMOObviously! He was the better pianist.
even easier to listen to than Gilels.
The Russian Piano School at its veryUsing racist concepts and language
best.
again? ;-)
I've been listening to Sokolov in Brahms PC 2
quite a bit (with the Finnish Radio Symphony
Orchestra and Saraste - I prefer it to the one
with Jia) - I love it! My favorite now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr4yH25qNdA
I think it was thanks to a link from you that I
found it. It even beats Rubinstein and Krips
(however I still need to listen to Volodos).
Dan, I really can't get it in my head ;D HJ Lim
really sucks... in Brahms, in Mozart and in
Bach and Beethoven. And no... she is
not the "heir" of Richter's style or we...
she is just really bad... fix your ears
or sth ;D
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:56:15 AM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:like Fledermaus with Eberhart Waechter (getting on a bit) and Janet Perry (in full flight) and Carlos Kleiber too.
As a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album.
I do enjoy what is called Operetta and am NotSure why it is considered
by some to be a lesser art form. Sullivan, Lehar, and J. Strauss in
their best work have created masterpieces - and Offenbach was the
greatest of all (not sure about Dostal.
Mr Sure, have you seen the videorecordings of Laurent Pelly's productions of the Offenbach operettas, accompanied by Les Musiciens du Louvre under Marc Minkowski? La Belle Helene is a particular favourite. You can sample bits and pieces on You Tube. I
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On 11/20/22 2:44 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:I like Fledermaus with Eberhart Waechter (getting on a bit) and Janet Perry (in full flight) and Carlos Kleiber too.
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:56:15 AM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
I do enjoy what is called Operetta and am NotSure why it is consideredAs a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album.
by some to be a lesser art form. Sullivan, Lehar, and J. Strauss in
their best work have created masterpieces - and Offenbach was the
greatest of all (not sure about Dostal.
Mr Sure, have you seen the videorecordings of Laurent Pelly's productions of the Offenbach operettas, accompanied by Les Musiciens du Louvre under Marc Minkowski? La Belle Helene is a particular favourite. You can sample bits and pieces on You Tube.
Andrew ClarkeIndeed I have! I've always liked Offenbach including Hoffman, Perichole, etc, but particularly enjoyed Grande Duchesse which I had with Zareska
Canberra
on a Urania LP. Just a few months ago I listened again - but I never had
a libretto. I looked online for one, but this work has been so
shamefully treated that the online libretti didn't match the performance.
In the end I bought the Laurent Pelly/Minkowski DVD to get subtitles at least. I hesitated since the production appeared to be Eurotrash -
soldiers gassed coming back to life, a cabinet full of skulls, etc - but this all seemed only a small part of the production and the acting was splendid.
Particularly Felicity Lott - the role was really meant for a young
woman, but Flott made it work. Comedy is hard and the cast had the right tone. and the singing was fine.
(I hesitated to use the term Eurotrash since I recall this had caused considerable controversy here. For me, while I'm happy to see different interesting perspectives on familiar works, we don't need to see Tristan
as performed by two salamanders in an abandoned coal mine in Ecuador...)
(I also just enjoyed Nacht in Venedig - would be glad to discuss if
there is interest)
(And no need to call me Mr Sure - you can call me Not)
On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 20. November 2022 um 21:28:10 UTC+1:
On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 7:10:58 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yakov Flier. Everything on YT. IMOObviously! He was the better pianist.
even easier to listen to than Gilels.
The Russian Piano School at its veryUsing racist concepts and language
best.
again? ;-)
I've been listening to Sokolov in Brahms PC 2
quite a bit (with the Finnish Radio Symphony
Orchestra and Saraste - I prefer it to the one
with Jia) - I love it! My favorite now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr4yH25qNdAI know it. Overdone and overthought.
I think it was thanks to a link from you that INo, it doesn't. It is a different approach.
found it. It even beats Rubinstein and Krips
(however I still need to listen to Volodos).Why bother if you found one you like?
Dan, I really can't get it in my head ;D HJ LimShe doesn't. She plays like an improvisation,
really sucks... in Brahms, in Mozart and in
not like a "masterpiece" that must be treated
with "respect".
Bach and Beethoven. And no... she isI never said she was. She is herself.
not the "heir" of Richter's style or we...
Sometimes she reminds me of the
younger Richter you probably never
heard, e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IRP4GO1NyA
Leslie Gerber famously described
this performance as "blisters paint".
she is just really bad... fix your earsMy ears are just fine, thank you. They
or sth ;D
have just been lubricated for winter
with Mobil One 0W-50 racing oil! ;-)
dk
I never said she was. She is herself.
Sometimes she reminds me of the
younger Richter you probably never
heard, e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IRP4GO1NyA
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:28:18 PM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:I like Fledermaus with Eberhart Waechter (getting on a bit) and Janet Perry (in full flight) and Carlos Kleiber too.
On 11/20/22 2:44 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:56:15 AM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
I do enjoy what is called Operetta and am NotSure why it is considered >> by some to be a lesser art form. Sullivan, Lehar, and J. Strauss inAs a contrast to Scriabin, I've been listening to a Hilde Gueden
operatic aria album.
their best work have created masterpieces - and Offenbach was the
greatest of all (not sure about Dostal.
Mr Sure, have you seen the videorecordings of Laurent Pelly's productions of the Offenbach operettas, accompanied by Les Musiciens du Louvre under Marc Minkowski? La Belle Helene is a particular favourite. You can sample bits and pieces on You Tube.
Helene, the last riddle that stumps everybody, except, of course, Paris, has been completely replaced in the English subtitles, because the French original just doesn't work in translation. I agree, Dame Felicity's rather acid humour works beautifully inAndrew ClarkeIndeed I have! I've always liked Offenbach including Hoffman, Perichole, etc, but particularly enjoyed Grande Duchesse which I had with Zareska
Canberra
on a Urania LP. Just a few months ago I listened again - but I never had
a libretto. I looked online for one, but this work has been so
shamefully treated that the online libretti didn't match the performance.
In the end I bought the Laurent Pelly/Minkowski DVD to get subtitles at least. I hesitated since the production appeared to be Eurotrash - soldiers gassed coming back to life, a cabinet full of skulls, etc - but this all seemed only a small part of the production and the acting was splendid.
Particularly Felicity Lott - the role was really meant for a young
woman, but Flott made it work. Comedy is hard and the cast had the right tone. and the singing was fine.
(I hesitated to use the term Eurotrash since I recall this had caused considerable controversy here. For me, while I'm happy to see different interesting perspectives on familiar works, we don't need to see Tristan as performed by two salamanders in an abandoned coal mine in Ecuador...)
(I also just enjoyed Nacht in Venedig - would be glad to discuss if
there is interest)
(And no need to call me Mr Sure - you can call me Not)Dear Not,
I get the impression that French directors take considerable liberties with the spoken dialogue in Offenbach, usually to update the jokes, and the author of the new material appears in in the credits. In the case of the "Olympic Games" in La Belle
I think it was thanks to a link from you that I
found it. It even beats Rubinstein and Krips
No, it doesn't.
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 20. November 2022 um 23:49:15 UTC+1:
I think it was thanks to a link from you that I
found it. It even beats Rubinstein and Krips
No, it doesn't.
I think you may be right that he doesn't beat
Rubinstein/Krips, I will have to think about
this a little more (and listen a little more) -
probably I would choose Rubinstein/Krips
over Sokolov/Saraste as a desert island
choice (for now)... but I need more time to
sort my thoughts (and feelings). Maybe it
is too much "in your face" sometimes, but
I have to say that it really hooked me.
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:41:42 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
To my ears, Sokolov sounds too "driven" in
Brahms. This works to some extent in the
sonata op. 5, and a few other pieces. It
also works in the 1st piano concerto.
It doesn't work however in the 2nd piano
concerto, especially not in the 3rd and 4th
movements. No one beats Rubinstein and
HJ Lim in the last movement.
dk
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 23. November 2022 um 17:24:04 UTC+1:
It doesn't work however in the 2nd piano
concerto, especially not in the 3rd and 4th
movements. No one beats Rubinstein and
HJ Lim in the last movement.
I will not listen to HJ Lim again in Brahms, sorry.
I really did try (maybe I will listen to the 4th movement
later or tomorrow just because you said so... but I don't
see me changing my mind). And you know, for me it's
funny, because I usually love your recs (1930s-1980s),
but now you come up with HJ lim etc... wth ;D
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