• Re: Mahler 4 sopranos

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to tomdeacon on Fri Nov 4 19:34:13 2022
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 at 7:00:23 AM UTC-7, tomdeacon wrote:
    I am reminded of Judith Blegen's ravishing rendition of the finale of Mahler's loveliest symphony.
    Raised on Desi Halban, I find it hard not to hear her voice in this
    piece, but surely Blegen is one of the best. Her phrasing is exquisite,
    her breath control extraordinary, her style just perfect. In all ways superior to Halban.
    I suppose that Kiri would have or did do this movement ravishingly too. Fleming seems to me on the face of it too rich a voice for the
    innocence demanded by Mahler.
    Other favourites?
    TD

    Seefried:

    https://www.wfmt.com/2022/11/04/thomson-milhaud-and-mahler/

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Nov 4 21:57:49 2022
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 at 7:00:23 AM UTC-7, tomdeacon wrote:
    I am reminded of Judith Blegen's ravishing rendition of the finale of Mahler's loveliest symphony.
    Raised on Desi Halban, I find it hard not to hear her voice in this
    piece, but surely Blegen is one of the best. Her phrasing is exquisite,
    her breath control extraordinary, her style just perfect. In all ways superior to Halban.
    I suppose that Kiri would have or did do this movement ravishingly too. Fleming seems to me on the face of it too rich a voice for the
    innocence demanded by Mahler.
    Other favourites?
    TD

    Seefried:

    https://www.wfmt.com/2022/11/04/thomson-milhaud-and-mahler/

    Devrath:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBugXj88FK0

    dk

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Nov 5 10:21:33 2022
    On 11/4/22 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 7:34:16 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 at 7:00:23 AM UTC-7, tomdeacon wrote:
    I am reminded of Judith Blegen's ravishing rendition of the finale of
    Mahler's loveliest symphony.
    Raised on Desi Halban, I find it hard not to hear her voice in this
    piece, but surely Blegen is one of the best. Her phrasing is exquisite,
    her breath control extraordinary, her style just perfect. In all ways
    superior to Halban.
    I suppose that Kiri would have or did do this movement ravishingly too.
    Fleming seems to me on the face of it too rich a voice for the
    innocence demanded by Mahler.
    Other favourites?
    TD

    Seefried:

    https://www.wfmt.com/2022/11/04/thomson-milhaud-and-mahler/

    Devrath:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBugXj88FK0

    dk

    Davrath (sp) is, IMO, the best. Desi Halban I have not heard in a long
    while, but I remember her as being terrible.

    Bob Harper

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  • From James Goodzeit@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Nov 5 12:05:41 2022
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:34:16 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 at 7:00:23 AM UTC-7, tomdeacon wrote:
    I am reminded of Judith Blegen's ravishing rendition of the finale of Mahler's loveliest symphony.
    Raised on Desi Halban, I find it hard not to hear her voice in this
    piece, but surely Blegen is one of the best. Her phrasing is exquisite,
    her breath control extraordinary, her style just perfect. In all ways superior to Halban.
    I suppose that Kiri would have or did do this movement ravishingly too. Fleming seems to me on the face of it too rich a voice for the
    innocence demanded by Mahler.
    Other favourites?
    TD

    Seefried:

    https://www.wfmt.com/2022/11/04/thomson-milhaud-and-mahler/

    I'm not sure if TD is aware that Kiri did the 4th with Solti/CSO, but that movement alone is worth owning the entire recording. The rest of the symphony has been done better many times.

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to James Goodzeit on Sat Nov 5 14:30:36 2022
    On 11/5/22 12:05 PM, James Goodzeit wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:34:16 PM UTC-4, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 at 7:00:23 AM UTC-7, tomdeacon wrote:
    I am reminded of Judith Blegen's ravishing rendition of the finale of
    Mahler's loveliest symphony.
    Raised on Desi Halban, I find it hard not to hear her voice in this
    piece, but surely Blegen is one of the best. Her phrasing is exquisite,
    her breath control extraordinary, her style just perfect. In all ways
    superior to Halban.
    I suppose that Kiri would have or did do this movement ravishingly too.
    Fleming seems to me on the face of it too rich a voice for the
    innocence demanded by Mahler.
    Other favourites?
    TD

    Seefried:

    https://www.wfmt.com/2022/11/04/thomson-milhaud-and-mahler/

    I'm not sure if TD is aware that Kiri did the 4th with Solti/CSO, but that movement alone is worth owning the entire recording. The rest of the symphony has been done better many times.

    If you want the CSO, Reiner/della Casa is quite satisfactory :-).

    Bob Harper

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Sat Nov 5 21:22:56 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:30:41 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:

    If you want the CSO, Reiner/della
    Casa is quite satisfactory :-).

    What if one does not want Reiner?
    Can we have just Della Casa? ;-)

    dk

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 7 13:30:35 2022
    On 11/5/22 9:22 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:30:41 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:

    If you want the CSO, Reiner/della
    Casa is quite satisfactory :-).

    What if one does not want Reiner?
    Can we have just Della Casa? ;-)

    dk

    In Mahler 4? I don't know. But I don't mind Reiner at all.

    Bob Harper

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Mon Nov 7 14:44:13 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:21:38 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
    On 11/4/22 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

    Devrath:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBugXj88FK0

    Davrath (sp) is, IMO, the best.

    Thanks for approval! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Mon Nov 7 14:39:58 2022
    Bob Harper schrieb am Montag, 7. November 2022 um 22:30:40 UTC+1:
    On 11/5/22 9:22 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:30:41 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:

    If you want the CSO, Reiner/della
    Casa is quite satisfactory :-).

    What if one does not want Reiner?
    Can we have just Della Casa? ;-)

    dk
    In Mahler 4? I don't know. But I don't mind Reiner at all.

    Bob Harper

    My two favorite sopranos in this piece as well, the same for the orchestras and conductors.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 7 17:58:15 2022
    On 11/7/2022 5:44 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:21:38 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
    On 11/4/22 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

    Devrath:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBugXj88FK0

    Davrath (sp) is, IMO, the best.

    Thanks for approval! ;-)

    dk

    Thanks to this little thread, I was able to find and fix an error in my database, where I had Davrath as the singer on Inbal's 1985 Frankfurt recording. It was Helen Donath.

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know the name of the orchestra on that recording.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Nov 7 15:12:33 2022
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her
    first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know
    the name of the orchestra on that recording.

    It appears to be just "orchestra", conducted by
    one "Pierre de la Roche"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68I3OQMaiA

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 7 18:29:13 2022
    On 11/7/2022 6:12 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her
    first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know
    the name of the orchestra on that recording.

    It appears to be just "orchestra", conducted by
    one "Pierre de la Roche"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68I3OQMaiA

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."

    dk

    I knew that, but had forgotten the Monteux speculation. Melmoth should be able to identify him in a second. Where is Melmoth, anyway.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Nov 7 15:41:51 2022
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:29:21 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 11/7/2022 6:12 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."

    I knew that, but had forgotten the Monteux speculation.

    "de la Roche" could be a loose synonym
    for mountainous (Monteux).

    Melmoth should be able to identify him in a second.

    Not necessarily, depends on the recording,
    the orchestra and the repertoire. Melmoth
    seems to listen mainly to repertoire other
    than French music.

    Where is Melmoth, anyway.

    Tending to his cherished escargots? ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 7 16:03:32 2022
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:12:36 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her
    first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know
    the name of the orchestra on that recording.
    It appears to be just "orchestra", conducted by
    one "Pierre de la Roche"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68I3OQMaiA

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."

    Davrath was an amazing singer with a unique
    voice and personality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netania_Davrath

    dk

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Mon Nov 7 16:38:56 2022
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:12:36 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her
    first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know
    the name of the orchestra on that recording.
    It appears to be just "orchestra", conducted by
    one "Pierre de la Roche"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68I3OQMaiA

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."
    Davrath was an amazing singer with a unique
    voice and personality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netania_Davrath

    dk

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.opera/c/AVbGGY18vHA/m/YZtA-1L_48oJ

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.opera/c/Qxvopu7GGt0/m/Vg8GFjmFyaUJ

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Mon Nov 7 16:47:35 2022
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:12:36 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her
    first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know
    the name of the orchestra on that recording.
    It appears to be just "orchestra", conducted by
    one "Pierre de la Roche"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68I3OQMaiA

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."
    Davrath was an amazing singer with a unique
    voice and personality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netania_Davrath

    dk

    Concerning her Mahler 4th:

    - ...Netania Devrath has just the right mix of wonder and childlike awe without having to actually be a boy tenor.

    http://www.classical.net/music/recs/reviews/v/van04007a.php

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 7 21:52:26 2022
    On 11/7/22 3:12 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her
    first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know
    the name of the orchestra on that recording.

    It appears to be just "orchestra", conducted by
    one "Pierre de la Roche"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68I3OQMaiA

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."

    dk

    I would not be at all surprised if that is correct. It is a wonderful set.

    Bob Hraper

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 7 21:56:38 2022
    On 11/7/22 4:03 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:12:36 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

    I've loved Davrath's singing since I heard her
    first in Songs of the Auvergne. Still don't know
    the name of the orchestra on that recording.
    It appears to be just "orchestra", conducted by
    one "Pierre de la Roche"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68I3OQMaiA

    "Chants d'Auvergne as arranged for orchestra by
    Joseph Canteloube. Natania Davrath sings in the
    original southern French dialect, with pseudonymously
    named conductor, "Pierre de la Roche", leading an
    unnamed orchestra. Some rumors have abounded
    that it was actually Pierre Monteux, unnamed for
    contractual reasons."

    Davrath was an amazing singer with a unique
    voice and personality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netania_Davrath

    dk

    From the very short article: "Davrath was fluent in eight languages." Apparently she learned Occitan (Proven├žal), the local language, for the recording. Remarkable.

    Bob Harper

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