On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:57:22 PM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:16:39 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
DK: Looking at things from a purely
statistical perspective is seems
rather odd that a professional
musician (and a fiddler no less)
never has anything positive to
say about Jewish musicians.
As always, I would be happy to
be proven wrong.
H: No you would not be happy, because this is
just another instance of your well-documented
campaigns to oust members from RMCR whom
you're unhappy with.
DK: This is bizarre beyond imagination. I am
perfectly happy with anyone and everyone
posting here. This is an open, unregulated
newsgroup. No one has the authority, let
alone the means. to kick anyone out.
H: And as to your bizarre fake documentationDK: You are proving my point. You are a violinist,
that I have 'never said anything positive'
about a Jewish musician. Recently I talked
about how much I admired Raphael Hillyer,
the violist of the sixties Juilliard Quartet.
and the only Jewish string player you mention
is a VIOLIST, no matter how good ?!? Not one
word about Kreisler, Oistrakh, Kogan, Heifetz,
Huberman, Elman, Milstein, Szeryng, Kremer,
Menuhin, Vengerov, Gitlis or Haendel? As if
they never existed?
H: Just an example of the way you're lying allYou are clearly paranoid. Always looking for
the time to further your hate campaigns.
or claiming some conspiracy or ulterior
motive.
However, obviously I did not praise him as a
Jewish viola player; I don't think anybody here
does that kind of thing. Except for you, always
dragging in people's race or ethnicity.
DK: When people deserve it -- as you do Mr. Gouda!
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:20:36 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.
Note for instance that many people wished Frank B. well after his medical procedure, but DK just keeps on yapping about his things right between those well wishes. Other people do not exist.
However, it's basically no use talking about DK. my point was to clear this crazy malicious antisemitism charge.
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
Interestingly, eccentric people generally
enjoy good mental health. Freedom from
convention, probably.
Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with
unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.
However, it's basically no use talking about DK.
my point was to clear this crazy malicious
antisemitism charge.
On 2022-11-03 12:15 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
It is not freedom from convention as much
as the healthy food I eat: neither meat nor
potatoes (hence no German music), fish,
tomatoes, eggplant, French fries once a
year, risotto, sushi, chocolate, port and
scotch in moderation, dumplings, no
chicken or turkey, smoked duck once
a year, no eggs, plenty of cheese and
tuna. You get the idea. Not to forget,
I drink coffee and hot chocolate non
stop.
Then perhaps it's time to switch to decaff! :-)
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:46:54 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with
unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.
I never tried to be funny. I also never tried to be
a gentleman. The old continent is full of those.
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:20:36 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:Then perhaps it's time to switch to decaff! :-)
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
This is incorrect. I am perectly centered
in a multidimensional universe. What
else would one expect from a physicist?
Interestingly, eccentric people generally
enjoy good mental health. Freedom from
convention, probably.
It is not freedom from convention as much
as the healthy food I eat: neither meat nor
potatoes (hence no German music), fish,
tomatoes, eggplant, French fries once a
year, risotto, sushi, chocolate, port and
scotch in moderation, dumplings, no
chicken or turkey, smoked duck once
a year, no eggs, plenty of cheese and
tuna. You get the idea. Not to forget,
I drink coffee and hot chocolate non
stop.
dk
No city makes me as sick to my stomach
as Vienna! Seriously, I am not making this
up! Every time I set foot in Vienna I fell like
throwing up! It is a visceral reaction I just
cannot control.
dk
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 3. November 2022 um 19:42:32 UTC+1:
No city makes me as sick to my stomach
as Vienna! Seriously, I am not making this
up! Every time I set foot in Vienna I fell like
throwing up! It is a visceral reaction I just
cannot control.
That would be a sign of poor mental health.
You need to learn to control your emotions
Mr Physicist.
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
You may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.
Don't make it bigger than it is. It's just you're a
fulltime online person; you probably live alone,
you have no family, all you do is yap online,
living in a fantasy world, where you can drive
this great car and yell abuse at people you'll
never meet in person.
Absolutely, there are a lot of folks who love
this post-civilization net world,
sending death and rape threats all over
You may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:46:48 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>
Don't make it bigger than it is. It's just you're aYou may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.
fulltime online person; you probably live alone,
you have no family, all you do is yap online,
living in a fantasy world, where you can drive
this great car and yell abuse at people you'll
never meet in person.
Wrong on all counts.
Absolutely, there are a lot of folks who love
this post-civilization net world,
There are always tradeoffs, conveniences,
and inconveniences. I have no use for a
"civiliazation" that worships Arrau while
bashing HJ Lim and modern pianists.
sending death and rape threats all over
?!?
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
in person.You may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.
Don't make it bigger than it is. It's just you're a fulltime online person; you probably live alone, you have no family, all you do is yap online, living in a fantasy world, where you can drive this great car and yell abuse at people you'll never meet
Absolutely, there are a lot of folks who love this post-civilization net world, sending death and rape threats all over...
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:17:30 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 2:46:54 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
Well, I disagree. He's not some funny gentleman with
unusual habits, but a raging hateful ego monster.
I never tried to be funny. I also never tried to be
a gentleman. The old continent is full of those.
You may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.
On 11/3/22 11:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
You may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.
This explains great deal about you, none of it very
edifying to contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:45:26 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
On 11/3/22 11:42 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
You may or may not have noticed we now live in
post-etiquette, post-pretense era. I find it very
refreshing.
This explains great deal about you, none of it veryThis is mainly an observation about current times and
edifying to contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.
mores. It does not have much if anything at all with my
own views.
The classical music industry and the classical music
establishment have long been acting as if every work,
every recording, every artist and every composer are
all above average just by being on stage or in front of
the public.
The time is long overdue to put an end to such pretense
and hypocrisy. This would have been impossible before
social media. This is what I refer to as the post-etiquette
post-pretense era. We are all sick and tired, aren't we, of
hearing that every artist is above average, and that it is
inappropriate to say otherwise.
This is a pretty obvious case that I consider to be closed.
dk
I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552
Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist,
This explains great deal about you, none of it very edifying to
contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.
I have no use for a
"civilization" that worships Arrau while
bashing HJ Lim and modern pianists.
Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
One might not agree with everything they say and do, but these are the people we need to defend the west...
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:05:07 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
I have no use for a
"civilization" that worships Arrau while
bashing HJ Lim and modern pianists.
In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not importantI have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I
in the least.
do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
that's healthy for the culture overall....
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not important
in the least.
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
Henk
Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
but these are the people we need to defend the west... NOT Biden and NOT Scholz.
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb: >>Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
here....The norm? I think it is custom.
I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
start a separate thread.
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
HenkI have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
The truth is simple,
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
No kidding?
but these are the people we need to defend the west... NOT Biden and NOT Scholz.
In your twisted world maybe, but not mine.
Ray Hall, Taree
On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:
Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
The truth is simple,If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.
and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism.
Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And explain why you think they are extreme.
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:50:36 PM UTC+10:30, Andy Evans wrote:
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
Reading through the whole history it is obvious that Dan is a Jewish narcissist
demands more mentions of Jewish artists or he will accuse you of racism (antisemitism)
and carry on, prattling away forever like a petty supremacist psychopath. Claiming victimhood whilst verbally assaulting you because he lost control.
The world would be a better place if every person with the personality of Dan just learned when to stop talking!
I come here to this group and this is the first topic I find. What is going on lol
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.
On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.
Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552 >>>> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
The truth is simple,
and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism. >>>
Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And explain why you think they are extreme.
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting
Ray Hall, Taree
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
Read and digest Berger, and report for our amusement.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/
Ray Hall, Taree
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.
Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552 >>>> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraine and Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after she was elected.
https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
The truth is simple,
and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing extremism. >>>
Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And explain why you think they are extreme.
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post.
Ray Hall, Taree
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism
You are free to leave.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:05:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism
You are free to leave.
"Rarely" means more than once.
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
The pluses of Dan's presence far outweigh the minuses.
Henk
Op 2022-11-06 om 16:19 schreef Herman:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:05:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism
You are free to leave.
"Rarely" means more than once.
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
In his cave that is called 'personality'.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:05:17 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
Dan has rarely accused anyone of antisemitism
You are free to leave.
"Rarely" means more than once.
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
BTW, it's been a while, but you've got the thing with Seinfeld's soup nazi ass backwards. The soup kitchen owner was not called Nazi to his face, far from it. He was treated with awe and respect (for his soup). Jerry and George referred to him as aNazi among each other because he was yelling at people. So we should be calling DK a nazi, which, intriguingly, we don't.
Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?
BTW, it's been a while, but you've got the thing with Seinfeld's soup nazi ass backwards. The soup kitchen owner was not called Nazi to his face, far from it. He was treated with awe and respect (for his soup). Jerry and George referred to him as aNazi among each other because he was yelling at people. So we should be calling DK a nazi, which, intriguingly, we don't.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
BTW, it's been a while, but you've got the thing with Seinfeld's soup nazi ass backwards. The soup kitchen owner was not called Nazi to his face, far from it. He was treated with awe >and>?respect (for his soup).
Go right ahead. It won't bother him a bit.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:08:51 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
Go right ahead. It won't bother him a bit.
So you're his surrogate now, in the post-etiquette mores?
I'm glad, however, you're back at nitpicking and critiquing everybody's tiniest move. That should mean you're feeling great.
On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for havingDan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty
much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
imbeciles just for fun?
As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
calling you a name is not someone you respect.
Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:individual. Especially if the person calling you a name is not someone you respect.
On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote: >>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the statement of a well-adjusted
This is ridiculous.
Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty, arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve anyone's respect or understanding.
Herman, didn't you say something about "look i'm not butthurt because I was called an antisemite" in the other thread?
Now you're making a big drama again ;D Grow up you deranged piece of shit!
On 11/6/2022 1:24 PM, Gerard wrote:
Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl
wrote:
Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked
Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for havingDan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling
pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
imbeciles just for fun?
As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you
a brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is
the statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
calling you a name is not someone you respect.
This is ridiculous.
Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty,
arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not
deserve anyone's respect or understanding.
I am not defending his behavior. I don't like it at all, despite the
fact that it is obvious to you that I do (I don't know how you can be so wrong, so often). But neither does it bother me much. His behavior has nothing to do with me and I am not responsible for it. If anything, as
a fellow human being, you should fell sorry for him, not demonize him.
Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote: >>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfuckedAlso, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for havingDan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty >>>> much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
imbeciles just for fun?
As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
calling you a name is not someone you respect.
This is ridiculous.
Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty, arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve anyone's respect or understanding.
Op 2022-11-06 om 19:44 schreef Frank Berger:individual. Especially if the person calling you a name is not someone you respect.
On 11/6/2022 1:24 PM, Gerard wrote:
Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote: >>>>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfucked imbeciles just for fun?Also, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for having another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".Dan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the statement of a well-adjusted
not responsible for it. If anything, as a fellow human being, you should fell sorry for him, not demonize him.
This is ridiculous.
Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty, arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve anyone's respect or understanding.
I am not defending his behavior. I don't like it at all, despite the fact that it is obvious to you that I do (I don't know how you can be so wrong, so often). But neither does it bother me much. His behavior has nothing to do with me and I am
You are defending that behavior by encouraging it.
I would think the best way to encourage his bad behavior is to moan, bitch, carp and whine about ceaselessly. This is not rocket science, Gerard.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:24:22 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
Op 2022-11-06 om 18:08 schreef Frank Berger:
On 11/6/2022 11:17 AM, Herman wrote:This is ridiculous.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:03:40 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote: >>>>> Op zondag 6 november 2022 om 16:19:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
Am I to understand you call people you meet Nazis and brainfuckedAlso, DK has called people "Nazis" many times, just for havingDan's use of "Nazi" reminds me of the "soup Nazi", one of the
another taste in musical performers, apart from just calling pretty >>>>>> much everybody "brainfucked imbeciles".
characters in Seinfeld. Being called a "brain-damaged imbecile" is
only offensive if you are sensitive to it - and why should you be?
imbeciles just for fun?
As usual, you totally misunderstood what he said. Dan might call you a
brainfucked imbecile. Did you ever hear the expression "sticks and
stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." That is the
statement of a well-adjusted individual. Especially if the person
calling you a name is not someone you respect.
Dominating a newsgroup by always creating a very unpleasant, nasty,
arrogant, rotten atmosphere (which you obviously like) does not deserve
anyone's respect or understanding.
Frank, "as usual" you misunderstand. I am not personally "hurt" if DK calls me an antisemite and a "mysoginist", calculating opportunistically that this will get some people on RMCR on his side.
So, for instance, you started posting that you weren't so sure whether I weren't an antisemite indeed.
That's DK's strategy.
Absurdly I was also accused of being politically correct, even though accusing someone of antisemitism and misogyny is, obviously, the nr 1 politically correct strategy to "cancel" somebody.
This is typical of DK's m.o. Talking out of both sides of his mouth, opportunistically.Republican and Libertarian,
This is why I took the liberty to point out (at the top of this Gouda topic) how bizarre his 'antisemitism' charge was. When in the mood you post thousands of words about the blessings of the >free market or the microscopic difference between
and people count on you doing this.
You're totally welcome to do so. That's why I took the liberty of pointing out that NOT posting about Kreisler or Heifetz doesn't make one an antisemite.
So, yes I am aware that sticks and stones etc. And, yes, I agree with Gerard and many other RMCRers, that DK "post-etiquette" yelling abuse at people creates a lousy environment, especially >since he posts massively and compulsively derails non-DKtopics, too. And now I yield the floot to the miniature DK, who has a lot of fucks etc to say...
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 8:20:36 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:getting less fun.
I would think the best way to encourage his bad behavior is to moan, bitch, carp and whine about ceaselessly. This is not rocket science, Gerard.
Not so sure about that. Like every bully, DK needs an audience that vicariously enjoys other folks getting abused. So if you're left with just one fan, who just happens to be a crazy copy kid whom you've repeatedly called a brainfucked nazi, it's
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
HenkI have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
HenkI have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!
Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)
On 11/6/2022 2:17 PM, Herman wrote:
You're totally welcome to do so. That's why I took the liberty of pointing out that NOT posting about Kreisler or Heifetz doesn't make one an antisemite.
I completely agree. But not EVER considering Jewish musicians certainly might be indicative of antisemitism, don't you think? How could it not be?
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
HenkI have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!
Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)
yes, I would enjoy reading Mr Sure's evaluations and analyses of YouTube examples, or indeed anybody else's.The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over >>> specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
Henk
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 8:38:15 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:the band.
On 11/6/2022 2:17 PM, Herman wrote:
You're totally welcome to do so. That's why I took the liberty of pointing out that NOT posting about Kreisler or Heifetz doesn't make one an antisemite.
I completely agree. But not EVER considering Jewish musicians certainly might be indicative of antisemitism, don't you think? How could it not be?
Well, Frank, selective memory is a bitch. Fortunately however I pointed out that I had only a couple of weeks ago expressly mentioned Raphael Hillyer, the alto player in the sixties' Juilliard >Quartet, who in my view was the quintessential element in
Hilariously, Crazy Koren responded that this surely made me an antisemite, since Hillyer was just a violist, not a violinist. We're not talking a rational person here....
humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.One might not agree with everything they say and do,
I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting
stir up trouble.Ray Hall, Taree
No you are here to fling out accusations of fascism without defining it and without saying what those you accuse of it have done or believe that is fascist. It is exactly like McCarthy flinging out accusations of communism wherever he thought it would
On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 00:59:57 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting
stir up trouble.No you are here to fling out accusations of fascism without defining it and without saying what those you accuse of it have done or believe that is fascist. It is exactly like McCarthy flinging out accusations of communism wherever he thought it would
Ray Hall, Taree
Wherever fascism is so obviously evident, it is not necessary to define it, even to those who obviously appear to embrace it fully, and at the same time then try to deny it. As you also do with Israeli war crimes.
Ray Hall, Taree
For those that follow Hockey there is an expression (Rodney Dangerfield)
"I went to a fight the other night, and a hockey game broke out". My
hope is that folks will take a time out from this fight here and
discussion of Classical Recordings will break out...
Whom are you kidding? While this newsgroup is nominally about
recordings of classical music (however one defines its boundaries),
in reality it just a forum for old people to revel in reminiscing about
the recordings they heard 50+ years ago. Hardly anyone mentions
more recent performances (say, post 1990), and then often only
as pivots to point out how inferior they are to the older ones.
As everyone knows, during the 4th century BC the Greeks were
bemoaning the 5th century BC when everything was so much
"better".
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:41:28 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Whom are you kidding? While this newsgroup is nominally about
recordings of classical music (however one defines its boundaries),
in reality it just a forum for old people to revel in reminiscing about
the recordings they heard 50+ years ago. Hardly anyone mentions
more recent performances (say, post 1990), and then often only
as pivots to point out how inferior they are to the older ones.
That's a charicature.
But yeah, I could do a year without the name 'Szell'.
Or 'Heifetz' for that matter. (Ring a bell?)
However, few people here, among them you,
seem to be aware composing CM did not stop
in the year 1900. I think Todd mentioned this
strange phenom.
As everyone knows, during the 4th century BC the Greeks were
bemoaning the 5th century BC when everything was so much
"better".
they had a reason. If you mean 'Athens' by
'the Greeks' (which is what most people do),
they had disastrously lost the war to Sparta
(413); their fleet had been destroyed, and thus
their empire was gone, and there had been a
devastating coup by a small band of aristocrats
who methodically killed whoever they could not
use and took their money and land. After a little
while the Macedonians came and took over. For
the Athenians who wrote history or philosophy,
the ones through whose lens we even know
about this, life had irrevocably changed.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:11:26 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:41:28 AM UTC+1, dan....gmail.com wrote:
Whom are you kidding? While this newsgroup is nominally about
recordings of classical music (however one defines its boundaries),
in reality it just a forum for old people to revel in reminiscing about the recordings they heard 50+ years ago. Hardly anyone mentions
more recent performances (say, post 1990), and then often only
as pivots to point out how inferior they are to the older ones.
That's a charicature.A simplified summary, not a caricature.
But yeah, I could do a year without the name 'Szell'.But can you do a year without the name Haitink ?!? ;-)
Or 'Heifetz' for that matter. (Ring a bell?)Never liked him. Not a bell I would notice.
However, few people here, among them you,We can probably stop it if we try hard enough! ;-)
seem to be aware composing CM did not stop
in the year 1900. I think Todd mentioned this
strange phenom.
As everyone knows, during the 4th century BC the Greeks were
bemoaning the 5th century BC when everything was so much
"better".
they had a reason. If you mean 'Athens' byThe other Greeks did not write as much.
'the Greeks' (which is what most people do),
they had disastrously lost the war to SpartaThere are always reasons, sometimes obvious,
(413); their fleet had been destroyed, and thus
their empire was gone, and there had been a
devastating coup by a small band of aristocrats
who methodically killed whoever they could not
use and took their money and land. After a little
while the Macedonians came and took over. For
the Athenians who wrote history or philosophy,
the ones through whose lens we even know
about this, life had irrevocably changed.
sometimes less obvious. The specific reasons
for the Athenians' unhappiness may have been
more painful and more obvious, but people all
over the world have always complained, and
keep complaining, that 30 years earlier (or fill
in your own numbers) life was "better" than it
is now.
Life changes irrevocably all the time, one
just doesn't notice the changes until they
accumulate to a higher threshold.
In this particular ng, it has been an uphill
battle to make people even notice there
were (and are) other conductors beside
Toscanini, Walter, Furtwangler, Karajan,
Szell, Monteux and Rattle.
Or pianists
other than Richter and Arrau.
Or even
fiddlers other than Mutter and Faust.
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:41:28 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:strange phenom.
Whom are you kidding? While this newsgroup is nominally aboutThat's a charicature. But yeah, I could do a year without the name 'Szell'. Or 'Heifetz' for that matter. (Ring a bell?) However, few people here, among them you, seem to be aware composing CM did not stop in the year 1900. I think Todd mentioned this
recordings of classical music (however one defines its boundaries),
in reality it just a forum for old people to revel in reminiscing about the recordings they heard 50+ years ago. Hardly anyone mentions
more recent performances (say, post 1990), and then often only
as pivots to point out how inferior they are to the older ones.
band of aristocrats who methodically killed whoever they could not use and took their money and land. After a little while the Macedonians came and took over. For the Athenians who wrote history or philosophy, the ones through whose lens we even knowAs everyone knows, during the 4th century BC the Greeks werethey had a reason. If you mean 'Athens' by 'the Greeks' (which is what most people do), they had disastrously lost the war to Sparta (413); their fleet had been destroyed, and thus their empire was gone, and there had been a devastating coup by a small
bemoaning the 5th century BC when everything was so much
"better".
You don't need to "bring others to a way of thinking" if they're there already.
On 11/6/2022 10:29 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
Fortunately, what is "obviously evident" to you (Ray) is not so to most people.
I am interested in defending Israel from you poisoned mind and poison pen in the minds of others who might read what you have to say. Go ahead, maybe you can bring others to your way of thinking.
To quote Obama, you are SO on the wrong side of history....
Both Anne-Sophie Mutter and Isabelle Faust are living,
contemporary performers, who also, as it happens,
perform contemporary music, even though they play
the occasional LvB concerto to fill seats.
Your musical tastes however are an exact replica
of what star performers in 1950 liked and played.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
Both Anne-Sophie Mutter and Isabelle Faust are living,
So they say.
dk
I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
I wasn't referring to their repertoire. I was referring
to their screechy (Faust) woobly (Mutter) sounds.
?!? Making things up again ?!?
On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 04:05:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/6/2022 10:29 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
Fortunately, what is "obviously evident" to you (Ray) is not so to most people.
How do you know? It's obvious to me too.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:11:26 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:this strange phenom.
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:41:28 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Whom are you kidding? While this newsgroup is nominally aboutThat's a charicature. But yeah, I could do a year without the name 'Szell'. Or 'Heifetz' for that matter. (Ring a bell?) However, few people here, among them you, seem to be aware composing CM did not stop in the year 1900. I think Todd mentioned
recordings of classical music (however one defines its boundaries),
in reality it just a forum for old people to revel in reminiscing about the recordings they heard 50+ years ago. Hardly anyone mentions
more recent performances (say, post 1990), and then often only
as pivots to point out how inferior they are to the older ones.
small band of aristocrats who methodically killed whoever they could not use and took their money and land. After a little while the Macedonians came and took over. For the Athenians who wrote history or philosophy, the ones through whose lens we evenAs everyone knows, during the 4th century BC the Greeks werethey had a reason. If you mean 'Athens' by 'the Greeks' (which is what most people do), they had disastrously lost the war to Sparta (413); their fleet had been destroyed, and thus their empire was gone, and there had been a devastating coup by a
bemoaning the 5th century BC when everything was so much
"better".
According to this 2022 book:This enables them to rule as populists in the interests of the many and against the interests of the elite. Examples include most of the Greek "tyrants" of the period 650 to 530 BCE...
- Throughout world history, the monarchs who have wielded the greatest amount of power are those who enjoy broad popular support, generally from the lower classes. Such monarchs are often spearheaded to power by overthrowing an aristocratic regime.
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On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:50:36 PM UTC+10:30, Andy Evans wrote:
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
Reading through the whole history it is obvious that Dan is a Jewish narcissist that
demands more mentions of Jewish artists or he will accuse you of racism (antisemitism)
and carry on, prattling away forever like a petty supremacist psychopath. Claiming victimhood whilst verbally assaulting you because he lost control.
The world would be a better place if every person with the personality of Dan just learned when to stop talking!
I come here to this group and this is the first topic I find. What is going on lol
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:36:37 AM UTC+10:30, Frank Berger wrote:
I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.
Hey Dan Koren / Frank Berger. You only need one account buddy!
You're a genius, humanitarian and scientist that is much loved by Elohim. Here are some interesting links for your exceptional mind to digest.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.judaism.orthodox https://groups.google.com/g/israelimusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat
mazal tov!
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:36:37 AM UTC+10:30, Frank Berger wrote:
I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.
Hey Dan Koren / Frank Berger. You only need one account buddy!
You're a genius, humanitarian and scientist that is much loved by Elohim. Here are some interesting links for your exceptional mind to digest.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.judaism.orthodox https://groups.google.com/g/israelimusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat
mazal tov!
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:50:36 PM UTC+10:30, Andy Evans wrote:
Dan is eccentric.That's pretty much all you need to know.
Interestingly, eccentric people generally enjoy good mental health. Freedom from convention, probably.
Reading through the whole history it is obvious that Dan is a Jewish narcissist that
demands more mentions of Jewish artists or he will accuse you of racism (antisemitism)
and carry on, prattling away forever like a petty supremacist psychopath. Claiming victimhood whilst verbally assaulting you because he lost control.
The world would be a better place if every person with the personality of Dan just learned when to stop talking!
I come here to this group and this is the first topic I find. What is going on lol
Op maandag 7 november 2022 om 09:50:22 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 04:05:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/6/2022 10:29 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
Fortunately, what is "obviously evident" to you (Ray) is not so to most people.
How do you know? It's obvious to me too.
It's obvious to many. Israel is just another 21st century nation, nothing special.
Henk
On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 04:05:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/6/2022 10:29 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
Fortunately, what is "obviously evident" to you (Ray) is not so to most people.
How do you know? It's obvious to me too.
I am interested in defending Israel from you poisoned mind and poison pen in the minds of others who might read what you have to say. Go ahead, maybe you can bring others to your way of thinking.
You don't need to "bring others to a way of thinking" if they're there already.
To quote Obama, you are SO on the wrong side of history....
The actions of the state of Israel are highly contentious at the highest political level including the UN, as you well know. But I am NOT going to discuss that on this newsgroup.
By saying, "just another 21st century nation," I think you imply a right to exist, not? Others do not agree. No one is talking about Israel being "special."
Amnesty International is not saying Israel should not exist. It has problems with how it acts. Some think Israel deserves special consideration. I once thought so too. That was a long time ago.
"Just a 21st century nation" also implies that Israel is no better or worse than other nations today. Human rights are not safe anywhere - except perhaps in Andorra, Liechtenstein and the like.
Henk
By saying, "just another 21st century nation," I think you imply a right to exist, not? Others do not agree. No one is talking about Israel being "special."
By saying, "just another 21st century nation," I think you imply a right to exist, not? Others do not agree. No one is talking about Israel being "special."Amnesty International is not saying Israel should not exist. It has problems with how it acts. Some think Israel deserves special consideration. I once thought so too. That was a long time ago.
The Amnesty Internatnational document starts from the assumption that a rightful native Palestinian population was expelled and the land occupied by newcomer Jews. This is one view. There are others. IF you start from the position that Israel is anoccupying power then a lot follows that wouldn't otherwise.
Op maandag 7 november 2022 om 15:37:08 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:occupying power then a lot follows that wouldn't otherwise.
The Amnesty Internatnational document starts from the assumption that a rightful native Palestinian population was expelled and the land occupied by newcomer Jews. This is one view. There are others. IF you start from the position that Israel is an
Unless the books of Moses are a guide in one's life, occupation is the only narrative that does justice to the facts. But after some time, it was internationally agreed that the occupied territories could become a Jewish state. Israel has sinceoccupied more territory. There is no international agreement on that yet.
Amnesty is about human rights, not borders. It examines how nations/states treat their citizens and the inhabitants of occupied territories. The 21st century has started badly in this regard. Israel is no exception.
Henk
Op maandag 7 november 2022 om 15:37:08 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:occupying power then a lot follows that wouldn't otherwise.
The Amnesty International document starts from the assumption that a rightful native Palestinian population was expelled and the land occupied by newcomer Jews. This is one view. There are others. IF you start from the position that Israel is an
Unless the books of Moses are a guide in one's life, occupation is the only narrative that does justice to the facts. But after some time, it was internationally agreed that the occupied territories could become a Jewish state. Israel has sinceoccupied more territory. There is no international agreement on that yet.
Amnesty is about human rights, not borders. It examines how nations/states treat their citizens and the inhabitants of occupied territories. The 21st century has started badly in this regard. Israel is no exception.
Henk
Op maandag 7 november 2022 om 15:37:08 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:occupying power then a lot follows that wouldn't otherwise.
The Amnesty Internatnational document starts from the assumption that a rightful native Palestinian population was expelled and the land occupied by newcomer Jews. This is one view. There are others. IF you start from the position that Israel is an
Unless the books of Moses are a guide in one's life, occupation is the only narrative that does justice to the facts. But after some time, it was internationally agreed that the occupied territories could become a Jewish state. Israel has sinceoccupied more territory. There is no international agreement on that yet.
Amnesty is about human rights, not borders. It examines how nations/states treat their citizens and the inhabitants of occupied territories.
The 21st century has started badly in this regard. Israel is no exception.
Henk
Op maandag 7 november 2022 om 15:37:08 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:occupying power then a lot follows that wouldn't otherwise.
The Amnesty Internatnational document starts from the assumption that a rightful native Palestinian population was expelled and the land occupied by newcomer Jews. This is one view. There are others. IF you start from the position that Israel is an
Unless the books of Moses are a guide in one's life, occupation is the only narrative that does justice to the facts. But after some time, it was internationally agreed that the occupied territories could become a Jewish state. Israel has sinceoccupied more territory. There is no international agreement on that yet.
Amnesty is about human rights, not borders. It examines how nations/states treat their citizens and the inhabitants of occupied territories.
The 21st century has started badly in this regard. Israel is no exception.
Henk
Op maandag 7 november 2022 om 15:37:08 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:occupying power then a lot follows that wouldn't otherwise.
The Amnesty Internatnational document starts from the assumption that a rightful native Palestinian population was expelled and the land occupied by newcomer Jews. This is one view. There are others. IF you start from the position that Israel is an
Unless the books of Moses are a guide in one's life, occupation is the only narrative that does justice to the facts. But after some time, it was internationally agreed that the occupied territories could become a Jewish state. Israel has sinceoccupied more territory. There is no international agreement on that yet.
Amnesty is about human rights, not borders. It examines how nations/states treat their citizens and the inhabitants of occupied territories.
The 21st century has started badly in this regard. Israel is no exception.
Henk
I have trouble countenancing references to generalized accusations of human rights violations by Israel or anybody else unless such accusations are specific enough to lead to rational consideration and discussion. Otherwise, such accusations amount tonothing more than name calling. The strategy, of course, in the case of Israel bashers, is that if you accuse them of generalized human rights violations enough people might come to believe it.
to nothing more than name calling. The strategy, of course, in the case of Israel bashers, is that if you accuse them of generalized human rights violations enough people might come to believe it.I have trouble countenancing references to generalized accusations of human rights violations by Israel or anybody else unless such accusations are specific enough to lead to rational consideration and discussion. Otherwise, such accusations amount
Amnesty's generalizations are usually based on specific cases. Those interested could ask for specifications. I don't believe that Amnesty can be called an Israel basher, or an organization facilitating them. Its findings are never and nowhere welcome -and shouldn't be.
Henk
nothing more than name calling. The strategy, of course, in the case of Israel bashers, is that if you accuse them of generalized human rights violations enough people might come to believe it.I have trouble countenancing references to generalized accusations of human rights violations by Israel or anybody else unless such accusations are specific enough to lead to rational consideration and discussion. Otherwise, such accusations amount to
Amnesty's generalizations are usually based on specific cases. Those interested could ask for specifications. I don't believe that Amnesty can be called an Israel basher, or an organization facilitating them. Its findings are never and nowhere welcome -and shouldn't be.
Henk
Among Zionists, Amnesty is indeed considered an Israel basher. The proof is what I said before. The Amnesty document cited, ASSUMES Israel is an occupying force. Many believe, that under International Law, it is not. Rather the land is in dispute.Since there never was a Palestinian State or anything remotely like it, Israel cannot be considered an occupying force under International Law. If you pre-decide that Palestine is a state, then you Israel is an occupying force and every military action
On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 00:59:57 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:humanity, and criminal to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to yourself.
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why you believe these three examples of disgusting
stir up trouble.No you are here to fling out accusations of fascism without defining it and without saying what those you accuse of it have done or believe that is fascist. It is exactly like McCarthy flinging out accusations of communism wherever he thought it would
Ray Hall, Taree
Wherever fascism is so obviously evident, it is not necessary to define it, even to those who obviously appear to embrace it fully, and at the same time then try to deny it. As you also do with Israeli war crimes.
Ray Hall, Taree
On 11/6/2022 1:56 AM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 15:32:52 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/5/2022 5:32 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 01:30:13 UTC+11, Marc S wrote:If the truth were simple, everyone would agree.
Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 5. November 2022 um 14:56:51 UTC+1:
I love Meloni: https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1575198062389399552 >>>>> It should be noted: Meloni is not a fascist. She supports Ukraineand Taiwan, and Putin cut off gas deliveries to Italy right after
she was elected.
https://twitter.com/KenWeinstein/status/1576591033672032257
Netanyahu (mazel tov!) is not a fascist, Trump is not a fascist and
DeSantis is not a fascist - hopefully people in this sub will one
day be able to get this simple truth in their heads.
The truth is simple,
and all three of the above, are appalling examples of right wing
extremism.
Which policies of these guys are extreme? Examples please. And
explain why you think they are extreme.
One might not agree with everything they say and do,
I am not here to answer your questions which are ad nauseum the same
every time you post. You are the one who has yet, against all the
norms of decency, to propose why, with a full explanation, as to why
you believe these three examples of disgusting humanity, and criminal
to boot, are not extremists with full-on authoritarian leanings. And
no, I won't read your reply, but you owe it to the group, and to
yourself.
Ray Hall, Taree
No you are here to fling out accusations of fascism without defining it
and without saying what those you accuse of it have done or believe that
is fascist. It is exactly like McCarthy flinging out accusations of communism wherever he thought it would stir up trouble.
On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 04:05:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/6/2022 10:29 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
Fortunately, what is "obviously evident" to you (Ray) is not so to most people.
How do you know? It's obvious to me too.
I am interested in defending Israel from you poisoned mind and poison pen in the minds of others who might read what you have to say. Go ahead, maybe you can bring others to your way of thinking.
You don't need to "bring others to a way of thinking" if they're there already.
To quote Obama, you are SO on the wrong side of history....
The actions of the state of Israel are highly contentious at the highest political level including the UN, as you well know. But I am NOT going to discuss that on this newsgroup.
On 11/7/2022 3:50 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 04:05:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/6/2022 10:29 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
Fortunately, what is "obviously evident" to you (Ray) is not so to most people.
How do you know? It's obvious to me too.
I am interested in defending Israel from you poisoned mind and poison pen in the minds of others who might read what you have to say. Go ahead, maybe you can bring others to your way of thinking.
You don't need to "bring others to a way of thinking" if they're there already.
To quote Obama, you are SO on the wrong side of history....
The actions of the state of Israel are highly contentious at the highest political level including the UN, as you well know. But I am NOT going to discuss that on this newsgroup.
You need to distinguish, of course between non-binding resolutions of the Arab-dominated General Assembly, and actions and resolutions of the Security Council. The bottom line from the Security Council has always been Resolution 242, which calls foreach part to recognize the other's rights, and Israeli withdrawal (not complete withdrawal) from the "occupied" West Bank PENDING a negotiated solution. Nowhere was there required a unilateral withdrawal by Israel which everyone know would result in
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:04:33 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
I wasn't referring to their repertoire. I was referring
to their screechy (Faust) woobly (Mutter) sounds.
?!? Making things up again ?!?
Right, I remember, at the time I said you really have no
idea what you're talking about. I don't like ASM a lot, I
don't have a single cd of hers, but technically she can
do anything she wants on a violin,
and the same goes for Faust, who has the advantage of
relative youth over ASM. This prompted you to say that
Faust was my violin goddess, which somehow made
me an anti-semite. So... talking about making things
up...
OK, you are not anti-semite for liking Faust. You are a
cultural anti-semite based on eyeball statistics about
musicians you like and musicians you don't like. Does
this sound more accurate and fair?
dk
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
Henk
specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!
Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:56:27 PM UTC-5, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb: >>>>> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over >>> specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a societyReductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
Henk
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to
start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great
if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be
interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the
only one here who hasn't been insulted!
Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)
Why all the complex analysis?
How about a reasonable standard of courtesy - respect for others’ opinions, even if they don’t agree with one’s own. Enough humility to express a point of view, and then to clear the way for others to do likewise.
But the past has shown that those who most need to hear this won’t, and things will proceed as usual.
Those contributors who commanded my respect in the past and left the group did so quietly without fanfare.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:56:27 PM UTC-5, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society >>> is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another.Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around
here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
HenkI have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great.
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the only one here who hasn't been insulted!
Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)Why all the complex analysis?
How about a reasonable standard of courtesy - respect for others’ opinions, even if they don’t agree with one’s own. Enough humility to express a point of view, and then to clear the way for others to do likewise.
But the past has shown that those who most need to hear this won’t, and things will proceed as usual.
Those contributors who commanded my respect in the past and left the group did so quietly without fanfare.
On 11/6/22 1:16 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:56:27 PM UTC-5, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:13:18 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 11/5/22 4:32 PM, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 20:48:30 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb: >>>>> In article <2b953454-303f-4422...@googlegroups.com>,I have a suggestion. What might be more enlightening would be to go over >>> specific YT performances by artists and to point out what they do
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society >>>>>> is not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. >>>>> Reductive & hyperbolic statements do appear to be the norm around >>>>> here....
The norm? I think it is custom. The Arrau/Lim controversy illustrates that we have no alternative.
Henk
well... or badly.
Ideally one of the piano experts here would do it, but I'd be glad to >>> start a separate thread.
I don't get a lot of feedback about my posts here, so it would be great >>> if folks let me know if this suggestion is valuable. I'd definitely be >>> interested in understanding better what makes particular artists great. >>>
And if this is a stupid idea, let me know.. I wouldn't want to be the >>> only one here who hasn't been insulted!
Considering that every one in this free-for-all of a thread is likely older than me by at least 25 years or so, allow me to offer my perspective as a generational outsider:
I think everyone on RMCR is at least a little loopy or warped. Except me, of course. And besides having objectively correct opinions on music and various other subjects, I also enjoy great mental health. :)
Why all the complex analysis?
How about a reasonable standard of courtesy - respect for others’ opinions, even if they don’t agree with one’s own. Enough humility to express a point of view, and then to clear the way for others to do likewise.
But the past has shown that those who most need to hear this won’t, and things will proceed as usual.
Those contributors who commanded my respect in the past and left the group did so quietly without fanfare.
A sad but accurate assessment.
Bob Harper
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 12:45:26 AM UTC+1, Bob Harper wrote:
This explains great deal about you, none of it very
edifying to contemplate, and greatly to be regretted.
Indeed. And look how this topic degenerates into a
litany of obscenities.
Dan does not spew hatred, and if you don't like the way he
talks it's your god damn choice to mind your own businesses
than trying to lecture people to abide by your corrupted morals.
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote:
In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not importantI have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I
in the least.
do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
that's healthy for the culture overall....
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society is
not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. There
have been wars motivated by differences among denominations of
the same faith. That’s folly enough.
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote:
In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...gmail.com> wrote:
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not importantI have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I
in the least.
do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
that's healthy for the culture overall....
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society is
not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. There
have been wars motivated by differences among denominations of
the same faith. That’s folly enough.
Civilization becomes pointless and useless when it is stuck in the past
and refuses to adapt to fresh new ideas and new ways of doing things.
In large swaths of the Western world "civilization" stands for nothing
more than "leave us alone to live as we did two centuries ago". Why
should anyone put up with this?
Drastically reducing the use of fossil fuels too quickly will exactly restore the age of serfdom, with the leftist politcal elite the privileged class. Simply really.
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 06:56:26 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote: >>>> In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...gmail.com> wrote:
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not importantI have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I
in the least.
do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
that's healthy for the culture overall....
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society is
not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. There
have been wars motivated by differences among denominations of
the same faith. That’s folly enough.
Civilization becomes pointless and useless when it is stuck in the past
and refuses to adapt to fresh new ideas and new ways of doing things.
In large swaths of the Western world "civilization" stands for nothing
more than "leave us alone to live as we did two centuries ago". Why
should anyone put up with this?
Because nobody sensible collectively want to go back to being the abject serfs they once were, under the yoke of the privileged very few. Simple really. And yet this is what the followers of the right wing loonies desire.
The fact is we are not progressive enough.
Ray Hall, Taree
Because nobody sensible collectively want to go back to being the
abject serfs they once were, under the yoke of the privileged very
few.
On 11/8/2022 5:01 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 06:56:26 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote: >>>> In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...gmail.com> wrote:
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not important >>>>> in the least.I have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I
do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
that's healthy for the culture overall....
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society is
not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. There
have been wars motivated by differences among denominations of
the same faith. That’s folly enough.
Civilization becomes pointless and useless when it is stuck in the past >> and refuses to adapt to fresh new ideas and new ways of doing things.
In large swaths of the Western world "civilization" stands for nothing
more than "leave us alone to live as we did two centuries ago". Why
should anyone put up with this?
Because nobody sensible collectively want to go back to being the abject serfs they once were, under the yoke of the privileged very few. Simple really. And yet this is what the followers of the right wing loonies desire.Rubbish, It's quite the opposite. Drastically reducing the use of fossil fuels too quickly will exactly restore the age of serfdom, with the leftist politcal elite the privileged class. Simply really.
It doesn't make sense, unless they are utterly stupid.
Characterizing people who don't want change as fast as you do or don't want the exact change as loonies and wanting to restore serfdom is ridiculous.
The fact is we are not progressive enough.Opinio, not fact. There is a difference
There is no "too quickly" in the rush to save the planet.
How about suddenly tomorrow morning completely ceasing use of fossil fuel? Would that qualify as too quickly? Yes? Oh, so there IS such a think as too quickly.
This is just plain weird and somewhere along the road to the endlessly lying trash and garbage on conservative talk radio.
Why do you think that people who disagree with you are lying? Isn't that paranoid? > >
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 09:16:07 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/8/2022 5:01 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 06:56:26 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:Rubbish, It's quite the opposite. Drastically reducing the use of fossil fuels too quickly will exactly restore the age of serfdom, with the leftist politcal elite the privileged class. Simply really.
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote: >>>>>> In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...gmail.com> wrote:
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not important >>>>>>> in the least.I have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I >>>>>> do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think
that's healthy for the culture overall....
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society is >>>>> not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. There >>>>> have been wars motivated by differences among denominations of
the same faith. That’s folly enough.
Civilization becomes pointless and useless when it is stuck in the past >>>> and refuses to adapt to fresh new ideas and new ways of doing things.
In large swaths of the Western world "civilization" stands for nothing >>>> more than "leave us alone to live as we did two centuries ago". Why
should anyone put up with this?
Because nobody sensible collectively want to go back to being the abject serfs they once were, under the yoke of the privileged very few. Simple really. And yet this is what the followers of the right wing loonies desire.
It is the right wing who desire authoritarianism, as witnessed by their fawning over Trump and other undesirables throughout the world, of countries and peoples who have decided that democracy is not for them.
It doesn't make sense, unless they are utterly stupid.
Characterizing people who don't want change as fast as you do or don't want the exact change as loonies and wanting to restore serfdom is ridiculous.
It has nothing to do with speed. It is all about serious intent to do something for the planet and those of us who still enjoy it.
The fact is we are not progressive enough.Opinio, not fact. There is a difference
Facts are history. Intentions are everything that really matters.
Ray Hall, Taree
On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:16:07 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
Drastically reducing the use of fossil fuels too quickly will exactly restore the age of serfdom, with the leftist politcal elite the privileged class. Simply really.
"Too quickly....?????"
Is this for real or a joke?
This is just plain weird and somewhere along the road to the endlessly lying trash and garbage on conservative talk radio.
On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 23:22:32 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:re well established.
There is no "too quickly" in the rush to save the planet.
How about suddenly tomorrow morning completely ceasing use of fossil fuel? Would that qualify as too quickly? Yes? Oh, so there IS such a think as too quickly.
Given the gravity of the climate problem we face that's just a silly meaningless comment.
This is just plain weird and somewhere along the road to the endlessly lying trash and garbage on conservative talk radio.
Why do you think that people who disagree with you are lying? Isn't that paranoid? > >
Are you serious? Conservative talk radio spouts an endless series of conspiracy theories and transparent lies, like Trump's idiotic claim that he won the election, that Biden is ultra left wing etc...... It hardly needs me to point out the lies, they'
On 11/8/2022 6:33 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 09:16:07 UTC+11, Frank Berger wrote:
On 11/8/2022 5:01 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 06:56:26 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:Rubbish, It's quite the opposite. Drastically reducing the use of fossil fuels too quickly will exactly restore the age of serfdom, with the leftist politcal elite the privileged class. Simply really.
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote:
In article <fbf2712b-743d-4d23...googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...gmail.com> wrote:
In the scheme of things, preferring Arrau to Lim is not important >>>>>>> in the least.I have nothing against people who prefer older performances, but I >>>>>> do get the sense that there are people who disdain all new
interpretations (& all new music, of course), and I don't think >>>>>> that's healthy for the culture overall....
Of course - but the comedy lies in the implication that a society is >>>>> not civilized unless it prefers one piano player over another. There >>>>> have been wars motivated by differences among denominations of
the same faith. That’s folly enough.
Civilization becomes pointless and useless when it is stuck in the past >>>> and refuses to adapt to fresh new ideas and new ways of doing things. >>>> In large swaths of the Western world "civilization" stands for nothing >>>> more than "leave us alone to live as we did two centuries ago". Why >>>> should anyone put up with this?
Because nobody sensible collectively want to go back to being the abject serfs they once were, under the yoke of the privileged very few. Simple really. And yet this is what the followers of the right wing loonies desire.
It is the right wing who desire authoritarianism, as witnessed by their fawning over Trump and other undesirables throughout the world, of countries and peoples who have decided that democracy is not for them.
It doesn't make sense, unless they are utterly stupid.
Characterizing people who don't want change as fast as you do or don't want the exact change as loonies and wanting to restore serfdom is ridiculous.
It has nothing to do with speed. It is all about serious intent to do something for the planet and those of us who still enjoy it.
The fact is we are not progressive enough.Opinio, not fact. There is a difference
Facts are history. Intentions are everything that really matters.
Ray Hall, TareeYada Yada Yada
Manypeopletrytosee99 schrieb am Montag, 7. November 2022 um 10:48:43 UTC+1:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:36:37 AM UTC+10:30, Frank Berger wrote:
I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.
Hey Dan Koren / Frank Berger. You only need one account buddy!
You're a genius, humanitarian and scientist that is much loved by Elohim. Here are some interesting links for your exceptional mind to digest.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.judaism.orthodox https://groups.google.com/g/israelimusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat
mazal tov!Here are some interesting links for your antisemitic mind to consider:
How about converting to islam? Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran
And how about joining hamas afterwards? Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
You would fit in perfectly with the hamas or hezbollah people, trust me ;)
Manypeopletrytosee99 schrieb am Montag, 7. November 2022 um 10:48:43 UTC+1:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:36:37 AM UTC+10:30, Frank Berger wrote:
I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.
Another antigoyim in this group? Oh hell no...Hey Dan Koren / Frank Berger. You only need one account buddy!
You're a genius, humanitarian and scientist that is much loved by Elohim. Here are some interesting links for your exceptional mind to digest.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.judaism.orthodox https://groups.google.com/g/israelimusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat
mazal tov!Another antisemite in this group? Oh hell no... Or is this pluted pup?
Frank is not Dan, Dan is not Frank - get your head out of your ass you fucking idiot.
Manypeopletrytosee99 schrieb am Montag, 7. November 2022 um 10:48:43 UTC+1:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:36:37 AM UTC+10:30, Frank Berger wrote:
I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.
Hey Dan Koren / Frank Berger. You only need one account buddy!
You're a genius, humanitarian and scientist that is much loved by Elohim. Here are some interesting links for your exceptional mind to digest.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.judaism.orthodox https://groups.google.com/g/israelimusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat
mazal tov!Another antisemite in this group? Oh hell no... Or is this pluted pup?
Frank is not Dan, Dan is not Frank - get your head out of your ass you fucking idiot.
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:54:38 PM UTC+10:30, Marc S wrote:
Manypeopletrytosee99 schrieb am Montag, 7. November 2022 um 10:48:43 UTC+1:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:36:37 AM UTC+10:30, Frank Berger wrote:
I am not defending Dan's "personality" at all. I object to unsupported accusations, hyperbole, exaggeration and distortion for political or personal reasons. Even when Dan does it.
Hey Dan Koren / Frank Berger. You only need one account buddy!
You're a genius, humanitarian and scientist that is much loved by Elohim. Here are some interesting links for your exceptional mind to digest.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.judaism.orthodox https://groups.google.com/g/israelimusic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzoah_Rotachat
mazal tov!Another antisemite in this group? Oh hell no... Or is this pluted pup?
Frank is not Dan, Dan is not Frank - get your head out of your ass you fucking idiot.
Another antigoyim in this group? Oh hell no...
Marc S / Dan Koren / Frank Berger, you only need one account sir.
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 6:51:47 PM UTC+10:30, gggg gggg wrote:this strange phenom.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:11:26 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:41:28 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Whom are you kidding? While this newsgroup is nominally about recordings of classical music (however one defines its boundaries),That's a charicature. But yeah, I could do a year without the name 'Szell'. Or 'Heifetz' for that matter. (Ring a bell?) However, few people here, among them you, seem to be aware composing CM did not stop in the year 1900. I think Todd mentioned
in reality it just a forum for old people to revel in reminiscing about
the recordings they heard 50+ years ago. Hardly anyone mentions
more recent performances (say, post 1990), and then often only
as pivots to point out how inferior they are to the older ones.
small band of aristocrats who methodically killed whoever they could not use and took their money and land. After a little while the Macedonians came and took over. For the Athenians who wrote history or philosophy, the ones through whose lens we evenAs everyone knows, during the 4th century BC the Greeks werethey had a reason. If you mean 'Athens' by 'the Greeks' (which is what most people do), they had disastrously lost the war to Sparta (413); their fleet had been destroyed, and thus their empire was gone, and there had been a devastating coup by a
bemoaning the 5th century BC when everything was so much
"better".
This enables them to rule as populists in the interests of the many and against the interests of the elite. Examples include most of the Greek "tyrants" of the period 650 to 530 BCE...According to this 2022 book:
- Throughout world history, the monarchs who have wielded the greatest amount of power are those who enjoy broad popular support, generally from the lower classes. Such monarchs are often spearheaded to power by overthrowing an aristocratic regime.
22Throughout%20world%20history%2C%20the%20monarchs%20who%20have%20wielded%20the%20greatest%20amount%20of%20power%22%22&f=falsehttps://books.google.com/books?id=5sNdEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT344&dq=%22Throughout+world+history,+the+monarchs+who+have+wielded+the+greatest+amount+of+power%22%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiZkdiw0Zv7AhXfLkQIHZU7BxUQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=%
That book lists Mao Zedong as a populist. He caused the largest famine in written history.......... Almost entirely poor peasants............
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