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  • Chopin Scherzi like no others!

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 2 02:10:09 2022
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

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  • From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to dan.koren@gmail.com on Thu Nov 17 21:43:32 2022
    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 02:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Dan Koren
    <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0
    I may have missed something--why are you keeping the pianist a secret?
    Thanks in advance.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 17 23:37:44 2022
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-8, KaiserD2 wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 02:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Dan Koren
    <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    I may have missed something--why
    are you keeping the pianist a secret?

    I would like to hear people's opinions
    unbiased by prior knowledge of the
    performers' identities. This is not a
    quizz. I am not interested in guesses
    as to who this is or may be, although
    if one enjoys that kind of game feel
    free to indulge.

    Thanks!

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 17 23:34:54 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:43:41 AM UTC+1, KaiserD2 wrote:

    I may have missed something--why are you keeping the pianist a secret?
    Thanks in advance.

    Manipulative personality?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Nov 17 23:39:31 2022
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 11:34:57 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:43:41 AM UTC+1, KaiserD2 wrote:

    I may have missed something--why
    are you keeping the pianist a secret?

    Thanks in advance.

    Manipulative personality?

    Bullshit. You are paranoid
    beyond imagination. You
    always look for ulterior
    motives, personality
    disorders, what not.

    EXCREMENT !!!

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 00:23:54 2022
    dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 18. November 2022 um 08:37:47 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-8, KaiserD2 wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 02:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Dan Koren
    <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    I may have missed something--why
    are you keeping the pianist a secret?
    I would like to hear people's opinions
    unbiased by prior knowledge of the
    performers' identities. This is not a
    quizz. I am not interested in guesses
    as to who this is or may be, although
    if one enjoys that kind of game feel
    free to indulge.

    Thanks!

    dk

    Crazy Herman as usual ;)

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Nov 18 00:23:32 2022
    Herman schrieb am Freitag, 18. November 2022 um 08:34:57 UTC+1:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:43:41 AM UTC+1, KaiserD2 wrote:

    I may have missed something--why are you keeping the pianist a secret? Thanks in advance.
    Manipulative personality?

    Herman... let me help you think a bit more clearly: stop imagining things, but look for the obvious.

    It's quite obvious that Dan wants you to listen in an unbiased way, which is why he keeps the pianist a secret - this is exactly the opposite of being manipulative...

    I really feel bad for your daughter for having a brainfucked imbecile and narcissist as her father...

    Mr ridiculously overeducated ;D

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Fri Nov 18 00:34:32 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:23:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    Herman schrieb am Freitag, 18. November 2022 um 08:34:57 UTC+1:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:43:41 AM UTC+1, KaiserD2 wrote:

    I may have missed something--why are you
    keeping the pianist a secret? Thanks in
    advance.

    Manipulative personality?

    Herman... let me help you think a bit more clearly:
    stop imagining things, but look for the obvious.

    Herman never reads the plain text. He is always
    on the lookout for ulterior motives, personality
    disorders, or any other pretexts to ignore the
    matter at hand.

    It's quite obvious that Dan wants you to listen
    in an unbiased way, which is why he keeps the
    pianist a secret - this is exactly the opposite of
    being manipulative...

    Thanks for the clarification.

    I really feel bad for your daughter for having
    a brainfucked imbecile and narcissist as her
    father...

    Does he need "professional" help? Or at least
    an "evaluation"? One can opnly wonder ......

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 00:24:21 2022
    dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 18. November 2022 um 08:39:34 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 11:34:57 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:43:41 AM UTC+1, KaiserD2 wrote:

    I may have missed something--why
    are you keeping the pianist a secret?

    Thanks in advance.

    Manipulative personality?
    Bullshit. You are paranoid
    beyond imagination. You
    always look for ulterior
    motives, personality
    disorders, what not.

    EXCREMENT !!!

    dk

    Amen... god damn excrement ;D

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Fri Nov 18 00:47:27 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:41:30 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:

    Ann Schein

    Nope. That was 20+ years ago.

    In any case, I am not looking for
    guesses about the identity of
    the pianist. I am interested in
    thoughts and comments about
    interpretation -- what you like,
    what you don't, what annoys
    you (if anything), and so on.

    dk

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 00:41:27 2022
    Ann Schein

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 01:40:54 2022
    dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 18. November 2022 um 09:34:34 UTC+1:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:23:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    Herman schrieb am Freitag, 18. November 2022 um 08:34:57 UTC+1:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:43:41 AM UTC+1, KaiserD2 wrote:

    I may have missed something--why are you
    keeping the pianist a secret? Thanks in
    advance.

    Manipulative personality?

    Herman... let me help you think a bit more clearly:
    stop imagining things, but look for the obvious.
    Herman never reads the plain text. He is always
    on the lookout for ulterior motives, personality
    disorders, or any other pretexts to ignore the
    matter at hand.
    It's quite obvious that Dan wants you to listen
    in an unbiased way, which is why he keeps the
    pianist a secret - this is exactly the opposite of
    being manipulative...
    Thanks for the clarification.
    I really feel bad for your daughter for having
    a brainfucked imbecile and narcissist as her
    father...
    Does he need "professional" help? Or at least
    an "evaluation"? One can opnly wonder ......

    dk

    He certainly would need professional help, but he seems beyond help already...

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 03:42:23 2022
    Op woensdag 2 november 2022 om 10:10:12 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    It sounds familiar. A French pianist? In the 1960s?

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 18 12:56:06 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:37:52 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Who did a good scherzo 4?

    There is no shortage of good
    Chopin scherzi, including no. 4.

    It should be mentioned however
    that no. 4 is more difficult to pull
    off musically than the angst laden
    first 3. Airiness and sunnyness are
    not taught in conservatories. For
    starters:

    Richter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEKYONqTmw4
    Pletnev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlNIcLyYm0
    Grosvenor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2b2DqN3OF8

    And of course the one in the set I
    posted not long ago.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Nov 18 12:50:16 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:42:26 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op woensdag 2 november 2022 om 10:10:12 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    It sounds familiar.

    Good! ;-)

    A French pianist?

    Sorry, no.

    In the 1960s?

    1960.

    Keep in mind however that I
    am not interested in names
    and dates as much as I am
    in thoughts and comments
    about interpretation: what
    one likes, what one dislikes,
    what annoys one and what
    awes one.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 12:37:50 2022
    Who did a good scherzo 4?

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 12:57:01 2022
    dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 18. November 2022 um 21:50:18 UTC+1:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:42:26 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op woensdag 2 november 2022 om 10:10:12 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    It sounds familiar.
    Good! ;-)

    A French pianist?

    Sorry, no.

    In the 1960s?

    1960.

    Keep in mind however that I
    am not interested in names
    and dates as much as I am
    in thoughts and comments
    about interpretation: what
    one likes, what one dislikes,
    what annoys one and what
    awes one.

    dk

    Not interested in Chopin. Impeach Chopin ;)

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 13:34:05 2022
    Keep in mind however that I
    am not interested in names
    and dates as much as I am
    in thoughts and comments
    about interpretation: what
    one likes, what one dislikes,
    what annoys one and what
    awes one.

    OK, no mystery pianist this time. The performance reminded me of a French pianist on account of the unromantic approach and a certain nonchalance. I can't think of anyone else who would play the Scherzi like that, with the exception of ... (no names! <g>)
    .

    Henk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 14:01:21 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:56:08 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:37:52 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Who did a good scherzo 4?
    There is no shortage of good
    Chopin scherzi, including no. 4.

    It should be mentioned however
    that no. 4 is more difficult to pull
    off musically than the angst laden
    first 3. Airiness and sunnyness are
    not taught in conservatories. For
    starters:

    Richter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEKYONqTmw4
    Pletnev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlNIcLyYm0
    Grosvenor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2b2DqN3OF8

    And of course the one in the set I
    posted not long ago.

    dk

    Cheers, the one that’s caught my attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Nov 18 13:41:09 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:34:08 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    Keep in mind however that I
    am not interested in names
    and dates as much as I am
    in thoughts and comments
    about interpretation: what
    one likes, what one dislikes,
    what annoys one and what
    awes one.

    OK, no mystery pianist this time.

    As stated earlier, this is not my
    goal. However if people like to
    indulge in guessing games it
    is definitely within their rights.

    The performance reminded me
    of a French pianist on account

    Sammy? That wouldn't be too
    surprising. This is not Sammy,
    however, and it is not a French
    pianist. It is the same pianist
    who produced the Imperial
    Emperoar I posted earlier:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/79ynibqxa60m9uw/AABDz6oZ1LjoQyXQ2vjJEJWja?dl=0

    of the unromantic approach
    and a certain nonchalance.

    You nailed it! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 18 14:10:44 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Cheers, the one that’s caught my
    attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.

    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPVofGvAwnw

    Harsh tone, mechanical and metronomic.

    She plays it like an etude. I could never
    understand why anyone would listen
    to her, or to Eunice Norton, or to
    Rosalyn Turdreck.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 14:38:56 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Cheers, the one that’s caught my
    attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.
    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPVofGvAwnw

    Harsh tone, mechanical and metronomic.

    She plays it like an etude. I could never
    understand why anyone would listen
    to her, or to Eunice Norton, or to
    Rosalyn Turdreck.

    dk

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Eunice Norton.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 18 14:42:02 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:38:59 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Cheers, the one that’s caught my
    attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.
    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPVofGvAwnw

    Harsh tone, mechanical and metronomic.

    She plays it like an etude. I could never
    understand why anyone would listen
    to her, or to Eunice Norton, or to
    Rosalyn Turdreck.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Eunice Norton.

    You didn't miss anything! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 14:49:19 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:42:05 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:38:59 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Cheers, the one that’s caught my
    attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.
    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPVofGvAwnw

    Harsh tone, mechanical and metronomic.

    She plays it like an etude. I could never
    understand why anyone would listen
    to her, or to Eunice Norton, or to
    Rosalyn Turdreck.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Eunice Norton.
    You didn't miss anything! ;-)

    dk

    OMG - it’s a girl! I know someone who has called their son Eunice. It’s the only Eunice I have ever known so I’d assumed all Eunices were male.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Nov 18 15:11:26 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:49:22 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:42:05 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:38:59 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Cheers, the one that’s caught my
    attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.
    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPVofGvAwnw

    Harsh tone, mechanical and metronomic.

    She plays it like an etude. I could never
    understand why anyone would listen
    to her, or to Eunice Norton, or to
    Rosalyn Turdreck.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Eunice Norton.

    You didn't miss anything! ;-)

    OMG - it’s a girl! I know someone who has called
    their son Eunice. It’s the only Eunice I have ever
    known so I’d assumed all Eunices were male.

    Going back to 2008 and earlier, one finds quite
    a bit of discussion of Eunice Norton in this n.g.,
    powered by incessant, relentless promotion of
    her recordings by one Ed Jasiewicz, apparently
    a student of hers. Listen, if you can afford the
    time, and form your own opinions. I would
    rank her below Slenczynska or Turdreck.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Nov 18 15:18:33 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:11:29 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:49:22 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:42:05 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:38:59 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Cheers, the one that’s caught my
    attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.
    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPVofGvAwnw

    Harsh tone, mechanical and metronomic.

    She plays it like an etude. I could never
    understand why anyone would listen
    to her, or to Eunice Norton, or to
    Rosalyn Turdreck.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Eunice Norton.

    You didn't miss anything! ;-)

    OMG - it’s a girl! I know someone who has called
    their son Eunice. It’s the only Eunice I have ever
    known so I’d assumed all Eunices were male.
    Going back to 2008 and earlier, one finds quite
    a bit of discussion of Eunice Norton in this n.g.,
    powered by incessant, relentless promotion of
    her recordings by one Ed Jasiewicz, apparently
    a student of hers. Listen, if you can afford the
    time, and form your own opinions. I would
    rank her below Slenczynska or Turdreck.

    Here is one of the most grotesque and
    mechanical Chopin Preludes on record:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pSvk5K4Mu4

    And an equally grotesque Chopin 3rd
    Sonata:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q2hl0AhCtY

    dk

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Nov 18 16:36:34 2022
    On 2022-11-18 4:18 p.m., Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:11:29 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:49:22 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:42:05 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:38:59 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:01:24 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote: >>>>>>>
    Cheers, the one that’s caught my
    attention most is Ruth Slenczynska.
    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPVofGvAwnw

    Harsh tone, mechanical and metronomic.

    She plays it like an etude. I could never
    understand why anyone would listen
    to her, or to Eunice Norton, or to
    Rosalyn Turdreck.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard any Eunice Norton.

    You didn't miss anything! ;-)

    OMG - it’s a girl! I know someone who has called
    their son Eunice. It’s the only Eunice I have ever
    known so I’d assumed all Eunices were male.
    Going back to 2008 and earlier, one finds quite
    a bit of discussion of Eunice Norton in this n.g.,
    powered by incessant, relentless promotion of
    her recordings by one Ed Jasiewicz, apparently
    a student of hers. Listen, if you can afford the
    time, and form your own opinions. I would
    rank her below Slenczynska or Turdreck.

    Here is one of the most grotesque and
    mechanical Chopin Preludes on record:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pSvk5K4Mu4

    And an equally grotesque Chopin 3rd
    Sonata:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q2hl0AhCtY

    dk

    UGH!

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 15:39:44 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:50:18 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:42:26 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op woensdag 2 november 2022 om 10:10:12 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    It sounds familiar.
    Good! ;-)

    A French pianist?

    Sorry, no.

    In the 1960s?

    1960.

    OK, I liked this very much... but then, I am pretty easy to please and like just about all of them, including Ruth Slenczynska, which I imprinted on in about 1957... but since you said 1960, I'll speculate that this is Von Karolyi...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFWOYPhXMEQ&ab_channel=pianotreasures

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to pnal...@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 15:53:38 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:39:47 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:50:18 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:42:26 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op woensdag 2 november 2022 om 10:10:12 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    It sounds familiar.
    Good! ;-)

    A French pianist?

    Sorry, no.

    In the 1960s?

    1960.

    OK, I liked this very much...

    Thank you! Would you now
    please try to describe what
    you liked and why?

    but then, I am pretty easy to
    please and like just about all
    of them, including Ruth
    Slenczynska, which I
    imprinted on in about
    1957...

    You are now disqualified
    and excommunicated! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 17:33:19 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:53:41 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:39:47 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:50:18 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:42:26 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op woensdag 2 november 2022 om 10:10:12 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    It sounds familiar.
    Good! ;-)

    A French pianist?

    Sorry, no.

    In the 1960s?

    1960.

    OK, I liked this very much...
    Thank you! Would you now
    please try to describe what
    you liked and why?
    but then, I am pretty easy to
    please and like just about all
    of them, including Ruth
    Slenczynska, which I
    imprinted on in about
    1957...
    You are now disqualified
    and excommunicated! ;-)

    dk

    Oh well, so be it!

    When I was 10 or 11 my parents subscribed to a Musical Heritage Society record-of-the-month club. My mother was a violin/viola teacher and classical music was essentially the only music played around the house. There were a couple of Ruth Slenczynska
    records in there and I about wore the grooves out listening to them... so "her" versions of things were what I knew best, every freaking note, and these are the performances against which I judge every other performance. You think she isn't all that good,
    and perhaps she isn't, but nevertheless, I will always have a very soft spot in my heart for her... and by the way, she is STILL playing!

    I still have the MHS recording of Dvorak's 5th symphony, subtitled then as being the "New World Symphony"... apparently 4 others were discovered and this work was shuffled down to being his 9th symphony... but I don't have any details about how/why that
    happened and am too lazy to research it.

    You did not let me know if my guess was correct... but I will again speculate that I am right about von Karolyi being your mystery pianist because otherwise, you would have said so... He might be playing it a bit fast but he is more than capable of doing
    that... in my opinion, of course. A terrific rendition... among many, many others.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to pnal...@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 22:11:46 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:39:47 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:

    I'll speculate that this is Von Karolyi...

    One should never "speculate".
    It is indeed von Karolyi. Good
    ears!

    I find it difficult to believe a
    genius like von Karolyi has
    fallen between the cracks.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 09:11:56 2022
    There’s quite a bit of von Korolyi streaming - I thought his Chopin op 58 sonata was very nice indeed. Thanks for making me aware of this pianist, Dan.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Nov 20 13:20:51 2022
    On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:11:59 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    There’s quite a bit of von Korolyi streaming - I thought his Chopin op 58 sonata was very nice indeed. Thanks for making me aware of this pianist,

    Glad you like him. It is a mystery to me how a pianist of such stature could be all but forgotten nowadays. I have uploaded all the recordings I was able to download from YT for your convenience. I will keep them up for a week:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xb9zo00ghdejmykyjlz6h/h

    Note that there may be quite a few duplicates in this pile as a result of using a dumb automated script to gather the recordings.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sun Nov 20 19:45:16 2022
    On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 9:20:53 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:11:59 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    There’s quite a bit of von Korolyi streaming - I thought his Chopin op 58
    sonata was very nice indeed. Thanks for making me aware of this pianist,
    Glad you like him. It is a mystery to me how a pianist of such stature could be all but forgotten nowadays. I have uploaded all the recordings I was able to download from YT for your convenience. I will keep them up for a week:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xb9zo00ghdejmykyjlz6h/h

    Note that there may be quite a few duplicates in this pile as a result of using a dumb automated script to gather the recordings.

    dk

    Thanks Dan

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 21 13:34:31 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 2:10:12 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuesfcscuzh8j6a/Chopin%204%20Scherzi.mp3?dl=0

    Try this link too, not sure if the original link works for everybody.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xb9zo00ghdejmykyjlz6h/h?dl=0&rlkey=ihrimxnb3soj8szg4xdm3wl79

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Nov 21 13:35:42 2022
    On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:11:59 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    There’s quite a bit of von Korolyi streaming - I thought his Chopin op 58
    sonata was very nice indeed. Thanks for making me aware of this pianist,
    Glad you like him. It is a mystery to me how a pianist of such stature could be all but forgotten nowadays. I have uploaded all the recordings I was able to download from YT for your convenience. I will keep them up for a week:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xb9zo00ghdejmykyjlz6h/h

    Note that there may be quite a few duplicates in this pile as a result of using a dumb automated script to gather the recordings.

    Try this link too:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xb9zo00ghdejmykyjlz6h/h?dl=0&rlkey=ihrimxnb3soj8szg4xdm3wl79

    Not sure if the original link works for everybody.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Nov 22 03:20:07 2022
    On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 9:35:45 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:11:59 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    There’s quite a bit of von Korolyi streaming - I thought his Chopin op 58
    sonata was very nice indeed. Thanks for making me aware of this pianist,
    Glad you like him. It is a mystery to me how a pianist of such stature could
    be all but forgotten nowadays. I have uploaded all the recordings I was able
    to download from YT for your convenience. I will keep them up for a week:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xb9zo00ghdejmykyjlz6h/h

    Note that there may be quite a few duplicates in this pile as a result of using a dumb automated script to gather the recordings.
    Try this link too:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/xb9zo00ghdejmykyjlz6h/h?dl=0&rlkey=ihrimxnb3soj8szg4xdm3wl79

    Not sure if the original link works for everybody.

    dk


    Thanks, I'd missed the Debussy.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Feb 18 08:27:22 2023
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:56:08 PM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 12:37:52 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    Who did a good scherzo 4?
    There is no shortage of good
    Chopin scherzi, including no. 4.

    It should be mentioned however
    that no. 4 is more difficult to pull
    off musically than the angst laden
    first 3. Airiness and sunnyness are
    not taught in conservatories. For
    starters:

    Richter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEKYONqTmw4
    Pletnev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlNIcLyYm0
    Grosvenor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2b2DqN3OF8

    And of course the one in the set I
    posted not long ago.

    dk

    Here’s an original one from Bonaventura, not light and airy, but tender in the central section.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtJlOBJgxqs

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