https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75Oqosko
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:55:52 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75Oqosko
no 'magic' for my ears, what's so great?
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:55:52 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75Oqosko
no 'magic' for my ears, what's so great?
AB
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:35:27 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:55:52 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75Oqosko
no 'magic' for my ears, what's so great?
Touch and phrasing. You need new ears. The
2023 models go on sale after Halloween. One
can receive a 25% discount by preordering.
dk
On 10/28/22 1:35 PM, AB wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:55:52 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75Oqosko
no 'magic' for my ears, what's so great?
ABThe following comment from the YT video may be of interest:
"Such economy of motion yet with such remarkable contrasts in moods-
from child-like, carefree innocence to dark, unsettled conflicts of the
soul. Mikhail Pletnev inhabits Schumann's world with conviction and certitude. This is playing that lays bare the music, free of
affectation, exaggeration, and contortion. One can see how rapt up in
the performance the conductor is, gladly being carried on the journey as
are we- compelled to listen as Schumann's personal truth is brought to
life by this wonderful pianist."
To my (amateur) ears, I thought much of it was perfunctory - he just
rattles off the recurring section - but parts, such as the ending, were
very eloquently phrased.
Magic?? - I'm NotSure...
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:04:02 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:35:27 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:55:52 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75OqoskoTouch and phrasing. You need new ears. The
no 'magic' for my ears, what's so great?
2023 models go on sale after Halloween. One
can receive a 25% discount by preordering.
dk
can I get a SENIOR discount-)))
AB
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:04:02 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:35:27 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:55:52 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75Oqosko
no 'magic' for my ears, what's so great?
Touch and phrasing. You need new ears. The
2023 models go on sale after Halloween. One
can receive a 25% discount by preordering.
can I get a SENIOR discount-)))
pure bullshit...........
AB
On 10/28/22 4:09 PM, AB wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:04:02 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:35:27 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:55:52 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.comTouch and phrasing. You need new ears. The
wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og75Oqosko
no 'magic' for my ears, what's so great?
2023 models go on sale after Halloween. One
can receive a 25% discount by preordering.
dk
can I get a SENIOR discount-)))
AB
I'm reminded of that cliche about the used car salesman: "This
immaculate vehicle is in perfect condition, barely used to drive to the church on Sunday..."
I'm referring to my ears (and sadly to other appendages as well).
(And I've noticed a marked lack of reaction to my incessant attempts at humor. If they are more annoying then amusing I could stop).
YouTube comments are invariably posted by insane people who are usually on the brink of an emotional breakdown.
I’ve always found with Pletnev that is playing would be just fine but then at an unexpected moment he would do something kind of eccentric in his playing. It would be a mannerism that brought attention to itself. It was as if he threw small handgrenades into his interpretations seemingly to give it a stamp of individuality. I definitely felt this way many years ago when I first heard his Scarlatti recordings. I also have to confess that I get weird feelings about him when I look at his pictures.
I’ve always found with Pletnev that is playing would be just fine
but then at an unexpected moment he would do something kind
of eccentric in his playing. It would be a mannerism that brought attention to itself. It was as if he threw small hand grenades into
his interpretations seemingly to give it a stamp of individuality. I definitely felt this way many years ago when I first heard his
Scarlatti recordings. I also have to confess that I get weird feelings about him when I look at his pictures. Well anyway each to his own.
Since the subject came up regarding Islamey I listened to his Carnegie Hall recording of it. It starts out somewhat impressively, but frankly it begins to become rather messy. Perhaps some of his recordings are
fine from beginning to end. I just have not heard one of them at this point.
On 10/28/22 5:15 PM, Herman wrote:
YouTube comments are invariably posted by insane people who are usually on the brink of an emotional breakdown.
I suspect that there might be a few of them here...
About RMCR:
“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
I know that I'm certainly - how does that expression go? -
a few BWVs short of a complete set of Bach Cantatas -
but I still realize that what we do here is not "normal"!
Pletnev is long past his prime; he's just making money now.
This encore is his usual diffident bored self. Not a trace of
magic.
Pletnev is long past his prime; he's just making money now.
This encore is his usual diffident bored self. Not a trace of
magic.
Pletnev is long past his prime; he's just making money now.
This encore is his usual diffident bored self. Not a trace of
magic.
For this member and piano rec collector for 60 years, I find Pletnev generally unexciting. He's certainly a competent pianist and his transcriptions are a good addition to the repertory but he's never hit me as "inspired" or materially distinguishingfrom other good pianists, again except for his arrangement work. Of course, the Arabeske with its ABACA sort of formulation by definition is repetetious; the coda allows a little atmosphere and flexibility as do the episodes but the "A" portion gets a
I’ve always found with Pletnev that is playing would be just fine
but then at an unexpected moment he would do something kind
of eccentric in his playing. It would be a mannerism that brought
attention to itself. It was as if he threw small hand grenades into
his interpretations seemingly to give it a stamp of individuality. I definitely felt this way many years ago when I first heard his
Scarlatti recordings. I also have to confess that I get weird feelings
about him when I look at his pictures. Well anyway each to his own.
Since the subject came up regarding Islamey I listened to his Carnegie
Hall recording of it. It starts out somewhat impressively, but frankly it begins to become rather messy. Perhaps some of his recordings are
fine from beginning to end. I just have not heard one of them at this
point.
Many Pletnev recordings are extraordinary from beginning to end.
Certainly far more than La Wang recordings. What do you think of
this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVHiixjai9o
dk
On 10/28/22 8:14 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
Many Pletnev recordings are extraordinary from beginning to end.
Certainly far more than La Wang recordings. What do you think of
this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVHiixjai9o
Since you asked... I prefer this one by Zimerman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h19WVxSpask
Part of the beauty of this piece is the constant rippling of the waves -
it is a Barcarolle - and Z. keeps that momentum going throughout.
The version by Pletnev is lovely in spots but lacks the pacing - even
the commercial version of this by Z. lacks the same hypnotic quality -
my ears fell into a trance here.
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:13:19 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 10/28/22 8:14 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
Many Pletnev recordings are extraordinary from beginning to end. Certainly far more than La Wang recordings. What do you think of
this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVHiixjai9o
Since you asked... I prefer this one by Zimerman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h19WVxSpask
Part of the beauty of this piece is the constant rippling of the waves -
it is a Barcarolle - and Z. keeps that momentum going throughout.
The version by Pletnev is lovely in spots but lacks the pacing - evenWe obviously hear and listen differently, and have different taste. What
the commercial version of this by Z. lacks the same hypnotic quality -
my ears fell into a trance here.
you call "pacing" I describe as "alla marcia". If one can hear beats and
bar boundaries, it isn't music to my ears.
I dislike Zimerman profoundly. He sounds calculated and overly fussy
in everything he touches. Leave the "pacing" to military band leaders.
BTW the performance you pointed to is totally commercial. Don't be
fooled by the empty "hall" and by the fake improvisation. This isn't
music, it is a fashion show. Worse than La Wang!
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
I’ve always found with Pletnev that is playing would be just fineHe does not look as attractive to you as La Wang ?!? ;-)
but then at an unexpected moment he would do something kind
of eccentric in his playing. It would be a mannerism that brought attention to itself. It was as if he threw small hand grenades into
his interpretations seemingly to give it a stamp of individuality. I definitely felt this way many years ago when I first heard his
Scarlatti recordings. I also have to confess that I get weird feelings about him when I look at his pictures. Well anyway each to his own.
BTW why do you look at his picture anyway?
figure out what is going on without resorting to visual clues?
Since the subject came up regarding Islamey I listened to his Carnegie Hall recording of it. It starts out somewhat impressively, but frankly it begins to become rather messy. Perhaps some of his recordings areMany Pletnev recordings are extraordinary from beginning to end.
fine from beginning to end. I just have not heard one of them at this point.
Certainly far more than La Wang recordings. What do you think of
this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVHiixjai9o
dk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?
in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
I am interested in performances that are
different, individual and unique. Pletnev
is one of very few pianists on stage who
produce uniquely individual, arresting
performances of every work they touch.
dk
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:15:33 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:
it's the way older performers become parodies of themselves.
in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
On 2/2/2023 1:52 PM, Herman wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:15:33 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:Are there performers who were "mannered" when young and outgrew it
it's the way older performers become parodies of themselves.
in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
Sophie Mutter is another example IMO
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
I am interested in performances that are
different, individual and unique. Pletnev
is one of very few pianists on stage who
produce uniquely individual, arresting
performances of every work they touch.
dkin his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
AB
Are there performers who were "mannered" when young and outgrew it?
On 2/2/2023 1:52 PM, Herman wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:15:33 PM UTC+1, AB wrote:Are there performers who were "mannered" when young and outgrew it?
it's the way older performers become parodies of themselves.
in his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:15:33 PM UTC, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
I am interested in performances that are
different, individual and unique. Pletnev
is one of very few pianists on stage who
produce uniquely individual, arresting
performances of every work they touch.
dkin his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
ABOne person's mannered is another persons individual and unique. I think the way he makes music out of this waltz is rather involving and expressive in fact, and for mem, that's high praise. I don't know what you're complaining about.
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:15:33 PM UTC, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
I am interested in performances that are
different, individual and unique. Pletnev
is one of very few pianists on stage who
produce uniquely individual, arresting
performances of every work they touch.
dkin his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
ABOne person's mannered is another persons individual and unique. I think the way he makes music out of this waltz is rather involving and expressive in fact, and for mem, that's high praise. I don't know what you're complaining about.
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:15:16 PM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:15:33 PM UTC, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:31:09 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:43:39 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:16:13 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE6SPJtTO4
stilted, unconvincing. why are u fixated on this guy?I am not "fixated" on anyone in particular.
I am interested in performances that are
different, individual and unique. Pletnev
is one of very few pianists on stage who
produce uniquely individual, arresting
performances of every work they touch.
dkin his younger years he was fabulous..... his playing now is mannered.
not complaining,,,,,,,,,,,,,stating a fact that is obvious to a trained musicianABOne person's mannered is another persons individual and unique. I think the way he makes music out of this waltz is rather involving and expressive in fact, and for mem, that's high praise. I don't know what you're complaining about.
AB
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