In some corner of a foreign thread, Herman asked my opinion of René Jacobs and the B’Rock Orchestra playing the Schubert Great C Major and the Unfinished.
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:55:47 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
In some corner of a foreign thread, Herman asked my opinion of René Jacobs and the B’Rock Orchestra playing the Schubert Great C Major and the Unfinished.
Did I?
After all the indignation I checked a minute of the Hurwitz video, and it is indeed problematic.
Not just the way the HIP mvt is declared dead and unnecessary - is it really the only way to gather clicks, repeatedly declaring CM or a subgroup of CM is dead? It's the Lebrecht model of trying for relevance at the expense of one's sublect.
However when DH starts talking about Jacobs (whom I do not know) as a gorilla or something jumping up and down for attention, the projection factor became too overwhelming.
If there's anyone flapping his arms frantically and making weird noises so as to capture the viewer's attention it's DH.
Unfortunately I have not heard the Jacobs Schubert. I read that he wrote a long 'blow by blow' account of the music in the booklet, which seems a very bad idea.
Ha, well, the discussion wasn't very interesting to me, but I can't
see how it's harmful.... I certainly prefer the listening to the
reading here, though.
I read that he wrote a long 'blow by blow' account of the music
in the booklet, which seems a very bad idea.
Glad you like it McComb! I have listened to the 9th & 8th CD four
or five times now. It is solid, but especially the 9th.
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:55:47 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
In some corner of a foreign thread, Herman asked my opinion of René Jacobs and the B’Rock Orchestra playing the Schubert Great C Major and the Unfinished.Did I?
After all the indignation I checked a minute of the Hurwitz video, and it is indeed problematic.
Not just the way the HIP mvt is declared dead and unnecessary - is it really the only way to gather clicks, repeatedly declaring CM or a subgroup of CM is dead? It's the Lebrecht model of trying for relevance at the expense of one's sublect...
- History repeats itself, but the special call of an
art which has passed away is never reproduced.
It is utterly gone out of the world as the song of
a destroyed wild bird. (Joseph Conrad)
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 3:14:51 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:55:47 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
In some corner of a foreign thread, Herman asked my opinion of René Jacobs and the B’Rock Orchestra playing the Schubert Great C Major and the Unfinished.Did I?
After all the indignation I checked a minute of the Hurwitz video, and it is indeed problematic.
Not just the way the HIP mvt is declared dead and unnecessary - is it really the only way to gather clicks, repeatedly declaring CM or a subgroup of CM is dead? It's the Lebrecht model of trying for relevance at the expense of one's sublect...
- History repeats itself, but the special call of an art which has passed away is never reproduced. It is utterly gone out of the world as the song of a destroyed wild bird. (Joseph Conrad)
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 1:51:51 PM UTC-7, wrote:
- History repeats itself, but the special call of anYou must obviosly be a retired English teacher.
art which has passed away is never reproduced.
It is utterly gone out of the world as the song of
a destroyed wild bird. (Joseph Conrad)
No other thing could possibly quote Conrad.
dk
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 1:56:37 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 1:51:51 PM UTC-7, wrote:
- History repeats itself, but the special call of an
art which has passed away is never reproduced.
It is utterly gone out of the world as the song of
a destroyed wild bird. (Joseph Conrad)
You must obviosly be a retired English teacher.
No other thing could possibly quote Conrad.
Does this apply to someone who posts here?:
- The horror! The horror!
"Heart of Darkness" (1899,Conrad)
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 3:14:51 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:55:47 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
In some corner of a foreign thread, Herman asked my opinion of René Jacobs and the B’Rock Orchestra playing the Schubert Great C Major and the Unfinished.Did I?
After all the indignation I checked a minute of the Hurwitz video, and it is indeed problematic.
Not just the way the HIP mvt is declared dead and unnecessary - is it really the only way to gather clicks, repeatedly declaring CM or a subgroup of CM is dead? It's the Lebrecht model of trying for relevance at the expense of one's sublect...
- History repeats itself, but the special call of an art which has passed away is never reproduced. It is utterly gone out of the world as the song of a destroyed wild bird. (Joseph Conrad)
On 10/20/22 5:55 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
To me these recordings fall into the category of 'interesting' but to Mr D they can't be interesting because they are stupid.Out of curiosity I listened (by way of Amazon Music) to Jacob’s Schubert symphonies as well as those new recordings by Blomstedt. I then went
through my collection quickly, listening to the first movement only of
the ninth, including Munch, Szell (Epic), Szell (Angel), Monteux, Furtwangler, Hamilton Hardy, Krips, Carl Schuricht, and Toscanini (Philadelphia).
As usual when I do these comparisons I found something to like about all
of them - there was no perfect performance. I’d have to say the most interesting and exciting was the Munch, with Carl Schuricht carrying the excitement to an extreme. If I had to choose a “best” I’d pick Krips or
Szell on Sony.
But back to Jacobs… It’s true that as noted by Hurwitz the balance on the recording is terrible, with the strings barely heard. It seems like
the brass is too prominent also. But the playing is lively, with
interesting phrasing. Not sure this should be anyone’s only version, but it is a different perspective.
And shouldn’t the vitriol be reserved for those routine performances
that are so common? Those that are perfectly played - but lifeless, have phrasing without inflection, lack dynamic contrasts, and have all the
notes - but no personality.
Folks here I’m sure can think of (too) many examples - late Mehta or
late Ozawa, some Karajan and Ormandy, Leinsdorf, etc.
I agree with Mr Clarke that these recordings are unusual - but interesting...
To me these recordings fall into the category of 'interesting' but to Mr D they can't be interesting because they are stupid.
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 6:21:25 AM UTC-4, Notsure01 wrote:
On 10/20/22 5:55 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
To me these recordings fall into the category of 'interesting' but to Mr D they can't be interesting because they are stupid.Out of curiosity I listened (by way of Amazon Music) to Jacob’s Schubert symphonies as well as those new recordings by Blomstedt. I then went through my collection quickly, listening to the first movement only of
the ninth, including Munch, Szell (Epic), Szell (Angel), Monteux, Furtwangler, Hamilton Hardy, Krips, Carl Schuricht, and Toscanini (Philadelphia).
As usual when I do these comparisons I found something to like about all of them - there was no perfect performance. I’d have to say the most interesting and exciting was the Munch, with Carl Schuricht carrying the excitement to an extreme. If I had to choose a “best” I’d pick Krips or
Szell on Sony.
But back to Jacobs… It’s true that as noted by Hurwitz the balance on the recording is terrible, with the strings barely heard. It seems like the brass is too prominent also. But the playing is lively, with interesting phrasing. Not sure this should be anyone’s only version, but it is a different perspective.
And shouldn’t the vitriol be reserved for those routine performances that are so common? Those that are perfectly played - but lifeless, have phrasing without inflection, lack dynamic contrasts, and have all the notes - but no personality.
Folks here I’m sure can think of (too) many examples - late Mehta or late Ozawa, some Karajan and Ormandy, Leinsdorf, etc.
I agree with Mr Clarke that these recordings are unusual - but interesting...
Thanks for your excellent post! It’s encouraging to see balanced
and sane discussion return to this newsgroup.
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:01:13 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
Thanks for your excellent post! It’s encouraging to see balanced
and sane discussion return to this newsgroup.
Meaningless verbiage. Why not listen to some samples
instead of dancing endlessly about architecture?
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 6:21:25 AM UTC-4, Notsure01 wrote:
On 10/20/22 5:55 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
To me these recordings fall into the category of 'interesting' but to Mr D they can't be interesting because they are stupid.Out of curiosity I listened (by way of Amazon Music) to Jacob’s Schubert >> symphonies as well as those new recordings by Blomstedt. I then went
through my collection quickly, listening to the first movement only of
the ninth, including Munch, Szell (Epic), Szell (Angel), Monteux,
Furtwangler, Hamilton Hardy, Krips, Carl Schuricht, and Toscanini
(Philadelphia).
As usual when I do these comparisons I found something to like about all
of them - there was no perfect performance. I’d have to say the most
interesting and exciting was the Munch, with Carl Schuricht carrying the
excitement to an extreme. If I had to choose a “best” I’d pick Krips or
Szell on Sony.
But back to Jacobs… It’s true that as noted by Hurwitz the balance on
the recording is terrible, with the strings barely heard. It seems like
the brass is too prominent also. But the playing is lively, with
interesting phrasing. Not sure this should be anyone’s only version, but >> it is a different perspective.
And shouldn’t the vitriol be reserved for those routine performances
that are so common? Those that are perfectly played - but lifeless, have
phrasing without inflection, lack dynamic contrasts, and have all the
notes - but no personality.
Folks here I’m sure can think of (too) many examples - late Mehta or
late Ozawa, some Karajan and Ormandy, Leinsdorf, etc.
I agree with Mr Clarke that these recordings are unusual - but
interesting...
Thanks for your excellent post! It’s encouraging to see balanced and sane discussion return to this newsgroup.
Here is one of the reference performances of the 9th:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSFTeCAc3us
Here is another one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZzVDThtiww
And here are the 1st and 3rd movements b.rocken
by Jacob's B.Rocken Orchestra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0V8z2upglo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQFud8Nba64
Not obvious why YouTube is hiding the 2nd and the
4th movements from prying ears, though you may
be able to find them on Spotify or Amazon Prime.
Listen and draw your own conclusions.
It's true that as noted by Hurwitz the balance on the recording
is terrible, with the strings barely heard.
LOL! This isn't fair. Compared with your favourites René Jacobs - Flemish pronunciation, please! - is 'interesting' in an unusual meaning of the word.
Henk
In article <6f36af15-6830-de2b-01a2-da142652f4c3@aol.com>,
Notsure01 <docduc1013@aol.com> wrote:
It's true that as noted by Hurwitz the balance on the recording
is terrible, with the strings barely heard.
Most of what people enjoy in these well worn works is a matter of
opinion, but this statement sure doesn't ring true for me. This
is an especially good recording, very vivid. I already remarked
in the other thread how I appreciated focusing on listening to the
(string) bass for the whole work. (I have no idea what Hurwitz had
to say, though.)
I should have said not that they can't be heard, but that the
string sound is weak ....
For example, the notorious Karajan string "sheen" ....
and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives...
In article <362256fb-bf9d-2d3b-bee5-f2211566db18@aol.com>,
Notsure01 <docduc1013@aol.com> wrote:
I should have said not that they can't be heard, but that the
string sound is weak ....
I mean, I don't know if people think
I go into something like this with an agenda
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version
of a Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have
a place full of like minded folks so we can share our different >perspectives...
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives...
For example, the notorious Karajan string
"sheen" for me doesn't help Brahms,
On 10/21/22 5:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a
Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives...
"Like minded" is nothing more than double speak for intolerance
towards people whose minds are wired differently than yours,
and who do not necessarily share your ideas or accept your
assumptions about art, music and performance. No more,
no less, and nothing else. A naked expression of pseudo
ethical, bigoted, hypocritical "moral majority" conformity.
By "like minded" I meant people who like classical
music and are interested in discussing recordings.
Are there other kinds of people here?
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a
Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives...
"Like minded" is nothing more than double speak for intolerance
towards people whose minds are wired differently than yours,
and who do not necessarily share your ideas or accept your
assumptions about art, music and performance. No more,
no less, and nothing else. A naked expression of pseudo
ethical, bigoted, hypocritical "moral majority" conformity.
dk
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 3:16:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 10/21/22 5:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
"Like minded" is nothing more than double speak for intolerance
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a
Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives... >>>
towards people whose minds are wired differently than yours,
and who do not necessarily share your ideas or accept your
assumptions about art, music and performance. No more,
no less, and nothing else. A naked expression of pseudo
ethical, bigoted, hypocritical "moral majority" conformity.
By "like minded" I meant people who like classical
music and are interested in discussing recordings.
No live performances? What is a recording anyways?
Before the internet, recordings used to be tapes, LPs,
CDs. Nowadays an increasingly large fraction of the
music one listens to no longer fits into traditional
recording categories. To my mind, performances
on YT are recordings.
Are there other kinds of people here?
There are plenty of people in this ng who use it to
promote political agendas.
dk
On 10/21/22 6:26 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 3:16:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
On 10/21/22 5:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
"Like minded" is nothing more than double speak for intolerance
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a >>>> Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place >>>> full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives... >>>
towards people whose minds are wired differently than yours,
and who do not necessarily share your ideas or accept your
assumptions about art, music and performance. No more,
no less, and nothing else. A naked expression of pseudo
ethical, bigoted, hypocritical "moral majority" conformity.
By "like minded" I meant people who like classical
music and are interested in discussing recordings.
No live performances? What is a recording anyways?
Before the internet, recordings used to be tapes, LPs,
CDs. Nowadays an increasingly large fraction of the
music one listens to no longer fits into traditional
recording categories. To my mind, performances
on YT are recordings.
Are there other kinds of people here?
There are plenty of people in this ng who use it to
promote political agendas.
dkI agree with you (as I very often do) about a broad definition of recordings. And I like and respect everyone here (except maybe the
fellow peddling textbooks and the Italian pornographer).
I'm also happy to see threads about just about anything - as long as
they are marked OT.
But does it promote a political agenda when someone says > "Like minded"
is nothing more than double speak for intolerance?
I'm Notsure so I ask the question...
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a
Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives...
"Like minded" is nothing more than double speak for intolerance
towards people whose minds are wired differently than yours,
and who do not necessarily share your ideas or accept your
assumptions about art, music and performance. No more,
no less, and nothing else. A naked expression of pseudo
ethical, bigoted, hypocritical "moral majority" conformity.
dk
On 10/21/22 5:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a
Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives...
"Like minded" is nothing more than double speak for intolerance
towards people whose minds are wired differently than yours,
and who do not necessarily share your ideas or accept your
assumptions about art, music and performance. No more,
no less, and nothing else. A naked expression of pseudo
ethical, bigoted, hypocritical "moral majority" conformity.
dkBy "like minded" I meant people who like classical music and are
interested in discussing recordings. Are there other kinds of people here?
On 10/21/22 12:46 PM, Todd M. McComb wrote:
In article <6f36af15-6830-de2b...@aol.com>,
Notsure01 <docdu...@aol.com> wrote:
It's true that as noted by Hurwitz the balance on the recording
is terrible, with the strings barely heard.
Most of what people enjoy in these well worn works is a matter ofI see what you mean - to clarify I should have said not that they can't
opinion, but this statement sure doesn't ring true for me. This
is an especially good recording, very vivid. I already remarked
in the other thread how I appreciated focusing on listening to the (string) bass for the whole work. (I have no idea what Hurwitz had
to say, though.)
be heard, but that the string sound is weak -- as an example, I'd point
to that duet in Pulcinella -- as I think Stravinsky put it: "the
trombone has a very loud voice and the string bass has almost no voice
at all".
Today we are used to hearing large string sections with gorgeous tone,
but I suspect that in the early nineteenth century this was not so much
the case! ...
On 10/21/22 2:42 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, Notsure01 wrote:
I know my wife doesn't understand why I need yet another version of a
Beethoven sonata or ... Bruckner 8th, and it is great to have a place
full of like minded folks so we can share our different perspectives...
"Like minded" is nothing more than double speak for intolerance
towards people whose minds are wired differently than yours,
and who do not necessarily share your ideas or accept your
assumptions about art, music and performance. No more,
no less, and nothing else. A naked expression of pseudo
ethical, bigoted, hypocritical "moral majority" conformity.
dk
To Mr. Notsure01,
Please feel free to ignore Mr. Koren. He has devolved into a mere bomb-thrower here, more concerned with generating heat than light. Your comments have been greatly appreciated by the serious persons in this
group.
Bob Harper
I am listening _again_ the Ninth...
Where I find this version lacking, aside from the weak strings,
(and the lack of tone elsewhere - listen to the horns at the very beginning) is the dramatic touches great conductors can create.
Consider the end of the lengthy introduction and transition to the
main Allegro - Munch increases the tension perfectly, as does Krips
and Schuricht. Jacobs version is not bad, but lacks the same excitement. Or, as another example, the coda has an overwhelming effect at the very end, it is on page 40 marked fff - it just doesn’t have the same (frisson?)
effect on Jacobs' as on the really great versions of the… “Great” Schubert
symphony.
Well, the difference is that notsure talks about
the music and gives some information, that's
something people appreciate. Your post is (as
usual) only about you and your OCD. So, in
essence, totally lacking in info.
Well, the difference is that notsure talks about the music
and gives some information,
that's something people appreciate.
Your post is (as usual) only about you and your OCD.
So, in essence, totally lacking in info.
On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 4:27:00 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
Huh? Is this your way of saying the best
classical guitar is no classical guitar?
a young kid playing Tears in Heaven... sigh. that's dk's
idea of "classical guitar.... but she's a nubile Asian woman!
that's sufficiently classical to him.
YOU ARE A BRAINFUCKED IDIOT !!!
dk
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:53:11 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
Well, the difference is that notsure talks aboutHere's some "information" for you:
the music and gives some information, that's
something people appreciate. Your post is (as
usual) only about you and your OCD. So, in
essence, totally lacking in info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRphhbIechI
dk
You keep complaining about what others
write. Can you explain what "information"
you provided when you posted this gem
about one of the top classical guitarists:
On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 4:27:00 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
Huh? Is this your way of saying the best
classical guitar is no classical guitar?
a young kid playing Tears in Heaven... sigh. that's dk's
idea of "classical guitar.... but she's a nubile Asian woman!
that's sufficiently classical to him.
... I was driving on I-80 last week at MM = 80 speed,
when KXCR blasted one of his Schubert symphonies through my
radio. It was so annoying I had to stop, pull off the highway, eat a Häagen-Dazs Dark Chocolate on Chocolate ice cream bar, and
wait until the symphony ended before resuming my progression.
dk
On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:47:14 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
... I was driving on I-80 last week at MM = 80 speed,
when KXCR blasted one of his Schubert symphonies through my
radio. It was so annoying I had to stop, pull off the highway, eat a Häagen-Dazs Dark Chocolate on Chocolate ice cream bar, and
wait until the symphony ended before resuming my progression.
So... why are you listening to the radio to something that you do
not like when you can download a butt-load of music to your
phone and listen to any dang thing that you want to hear?
I myself have over 600 albums on my phone and never lack
for something great to listen to while on the road... of course,
any time is a good time to enjoy a Häagen-Dazs Dark
Chocolate on Chocolate ice cream bar... but still...
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:26:14 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:47:14 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
... I was driving on I-80 last week at MM = 80 speed,
when KXCR blasted one of his Schubert symphonies through my
radio. It was so annoying I had to stop, pull off the highway, eat a Häagen-Dazs Dark Chocolate on Chocolate ice cream bar, and
wait until the symphony ended before resuming my progression.
So... why are you listening to the radio to something that you doI always have a dozen CDs loaded in the 2 CD changers in my
not like when you can download a butt-load of music to your
phone and listen to any dang thing that you want to hear?
Audi, and I can also connect an iPod or similar audio player.
At the same time, I am a very curious cat and I often listen
to KCNV, KNCC, KCNV, KXPR, KDFC and KQED while driving,
as a way to follow the news and to discover new things.
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 7:37:45 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:26:14 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:47:14 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
... I was driving on I-80 last week at MM = 80 speed,
when KXCR blasted one of his Schubert symphonies through my
radio. It was so annoying I had to stop, pull off the highway, eat a Häagen-Dazs Dark Chocolate on Chocolate ice cream bar, and
wait until the symphony ended before resuming my progression.
So... why are you listening to the radio to something that you do
not like when you can download a butt-load of music to your
phone and listen to any dang thing that you want to hear?
I always have a dozen CDs loaded in the 2 CD changers in my
Audi, and I can also connect an iPod or similar audio player.
At the same time, I am a very curious cat and I often listen
to KCNV, KNCC, KCNV, KXPR, KDFC and KQED while driving,
as a way to follow the news and to discover new things.
And yet you couldn't change the music?
Are you sure you even have a car?
It's not a matter of paranoia, but rather a healthy dose of scepsis.
No one on this group is so eager to share, unasked,
details of his status possesions, which leads one to
think maybe there is less than meets the eye.
Of course there's Melmoth, too, who used to enumerate
how many CDs he has, and this is one of the reasons
why you're always fighting him
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:07:07 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:07:07 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
It's not a matter of paranoia, but rather a healthy dose of
scepsis. About owning and driving an old car with a CD
player ?!? You call this "status" ?!?
No one on this group is so eager to share, unasked,
details of his status possesions, which leads one to
think maybe there is less than meets the eye.
Did I ever claim more than one Audi? Do you believe
an old car with > 100k miles is a "status possession"?
ROTFL !!! Can you present a single example of
"hate against non-Americans"? Making fun of
of various cultures for various reason's does
not add up to "hate".
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:13:33 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 10:22:43 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
ROTFL !!! Can you present a single example of
"hate against non-Americans"? Making fun of
of various cultures for various reason's does
not add up to "hate".
You seem to be living in the 1950s.Can you show some actual examples?
Making fun of various cultures for various reasons,
using words like I Hate You People does add up to hate.
That's why you use the word hate.
As Frank would (perhaps) say, look itCan you show some examples?
up in the dixionary. Hate = Hate.
Especially if you say it a lot.
dk
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 10:22:43 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
ROTFL !!! Can you present a single example of
"hate against non-Americans"? Making fun of
of various cultures for various reason's does
not add up to "hate".
You seem to be living in the 1950s.
Making fun of various cultures for various reasons,
using words like I Hate You People does add up to hate.
That's why you use the word hate.
As Frank would (perhaps) say, look it
up in the dixionary. Hate = Hate.
Especially if you say it a lot.
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:02:07 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
3 Recently you enumerated various EU locatedROTFL!!! What part of "imperial subject" is "ethnic"?
RMCR posters and called them "imperial subjects".
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:02:07 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
You were not interested in the way the FrenchYou must be joking. I studied French for 15 years,
indulged in verbiage .
and I can read any French text without dictionary,
including Medieval French. You are telling someone
who has read Proust and Stendhal and Descartes
and Voltaire, and even the memoirs of De Retz
that he doesn't understand French verbiage?
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 10:22:43 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:07:07 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
I'll give you three.
1 Posting a topic with the title "I hate the French". I
know you later said it was a joke, but that variety of
Trumpy denial doesn't fly.
2 There was this new poster who was clearly eager
to discuss music, using whole paragraphs etc. As
soon as you had gotten wind he was French you
started abusing him.
You were not interested in the way the French
indulged in verbiage .
You wanted youtube links and Everybody STFU.
Ironically the posts in which you were talking about
your aversion to verbiage were waaayyy longer than
any other post by anyone.
You love verbiage, as long as it's you.
Although various RMCRers responded in a friendly
manner, that newbie has never been seen again.
You had succesfully bullied him off.
No doubt you think ethnic slurs are a funny old-
timey way to interact, but really nobody else feels
that way, don't know whether you noticed.
3 Recently you enumerated various EU located
RMCR posters and called them "imperial subjects".
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 12:17:50 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:02:07 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
You were not interested in the way the FrenchYou must be joking. I studied French for 15 years,
indulged in verbiage .
and I can read any French text without dictionary,
including Medieval French. You are telling someone
who has read Proust and Stendhal and Descartes
and Voltaire, and even the memoirs of De Retz
that he doesn't understand French verbiage?
I did not say you did not 'understand French verbiage";
no one here writes posts in French, to my knowledge.
I said you resented verbiage (except your own: look
at the length of your posts here) especially coming
from people from France.
BTW this "I studied French for fifteen years" again
rudily awakens my BS meter. As you so often do. I
don't know what the exact meaning is of your 'studied',
but on previous occasions you have said you
went to a School of Music for twenty years,
which was kind of puzzling too.
What school has students linger for twenty
years?
Add fifteen years of French to this,
and you also claim to have studied physics,
so we are to understand you have spent
at least forty years in advanced studies?
Needless to say virtually no one
talks so much about his credentials
as you do,
but unfortunately your talking
about your prowess
in any field does stretch credulity
every single time.
Ah, the beauty of the internet,
where everything one says is
true!
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 12:17:50 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:02:07 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
The EU part.3 Recently you enumerated various EU locatedROTFL!!! What part of "imperial subject" is "ethnic"?
RMCR posters and called them "imperial subjects".
I really don't think RMCR is that interested, so I am trying to keep this brief.
You have a rather pompous way of
talking about yourself and your stuff.
I can read and speak French, too, and
so do a bunch of other RMCRers.
However, none of them say "I have
studied French for fifteen years",
followed by an enumeration of a
bunch of status authors like the
inevitable Proust.
In article <568024af-398f-4f9b...@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And yet you couldn't change the music?
I thought it was more notable that he
had to wait & find out who was behind
this terrible performance -- after he spent
the previous thread here saying how terrible
it was.
And yet you couldn't change the music?
It was a different symphony than the ones I had sampled earlier
from the same cycle.
Are you applying for membership in the
BENFRADELUX Idiots' Club?
dk
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 4:58:57 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Are you applying for membership in the
BENFRADELUX Idiots' Club?
Everyone but you is a brainfucked idiot,
Dick, why waste time even saying it?
It goes without saying.
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