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  • Re: Bach 6 Partitas for Keyboard

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Oct 14 11:03:05 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:

    Usual question - which are
    your favourite versions?

    Individual or complete sets?

    dk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 14 10:46:51 2022
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Oct 14 11:15:42 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?

    BMW 830:

    Pletnev:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsOV0M43Pr8

    Sokolov:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y--O7wmZ85c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v331b4l1hZU

    Shura:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GHLIDoR4UA

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 14 11:50:10 2022
    Op vrijdag 14 oktober 2022 om 19:46:54 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?

    Tipo, who has recorded the complete set and Anderszewski in an excellent Partita #6 - iirc.

    Henk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Oct 14 12:37:35 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?

    I like this Partita 6

    https://open.spotify.com/track/5RFVp28KFAEybF2lVa1EXv

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 14 12:53:23 2022
    I was thinking of individual performances really, rather than the whole set from one artist.

    Interestingly Dan pulled out Sokolov 2004 from Paris and Bad Kissingen, whereas I liked the 2004 Mainz performance. I thought the Woodward suggestion was a good one and I'll be listening to that one. I couldn't really get into Tipo's performances.

    At the moment of writing I have these as favourites:
    Partita 1:
    Pires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry44Kvr39eE

    Partita 2:
    Fray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdMPK2nHF_0

    Partita 3:
    Rafal Blechacz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plZnymIDj8

    Partita 4:
    Grosvenor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwZiD8s9Cpk

    Partita 5:
    Levit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aecenXn3obw
    Goode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aecenXn3obw

    Partita 6:
    Sokolov 2004 Mainz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-RnegtUeo

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Oct 14 12:47:38 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?

    And for a set of all 6, Virginia Black, Hewitt II, and Nikolayeva. Rübsam on Naxos the most interesting of the lot IMO.

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Oct 14 13:19:02 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:37:40 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:46:54 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?
    I like this Partita 6

    https://open.spotify.com/track/5RFVp28KFAEybF2lVa1EXv

    no Gould?

    AB

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Oct 14 13:27:49 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:53:26 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    I was thinking of individual performances really, rather than the whole set from one artist.

    Interestingly Dan pulled out Sokolov 2004 from Paris and Bad Kissingen, whereas I liked the 2004 Mainz performance. I thought the Woodward suggestion was a good one and I'll be listening to that one. I couldn't really get into Tipo's performances.

    At the moment of writing I have these as favourites:
    Partita 1:
    Pires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry44Kvr39eE

    Partita 2:
    Fray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdMPK2nHF_0

    Partita 3:
    Rafal Blechacz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plZnymIDj8

    Partita 4:
    Grosvenor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwZiD8s9Cpk

    Partita 5:
    Levit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aecenXn3obw
    Goode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aecenXn3obw

    Partita 6:
    Sokolov 2004 Mainz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-RnegtUeo

    Richard Goode played Partita 4 in Paris in 1996 -- I think it's special, the whole concert is. I can let you have it if you want. There's some Brahms and Beethoven and Chopin in the same recital.
    I agree that Fray's well worth a listen, in all the partitas he recorded IMO.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 14 15:02:49 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:19:04 PM UTC-7, AB wrote:

    no Gould?

    No Gould and no Gouda.

    dk

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Oct 14 15:39:52 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:02:52 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:19:04 PM UTC-7, AB wrote:

    no Gould?

    No Gould and no Gouda.

    dk

    OK - I’m opening myself to attack, but I very much like Murray Perahia’ s Bach. Bach for me is MP’s best composer. His Partitas, French and English Suites are a pleasure to hear - repeatedly.

    Also, for the 6 Partitas I think Ralph Kirkpatrick’s 50s recording on Archive is excellent.
    For the English Suites on harpsichord are fantastic IMO - and I’m referring to the earlier recording on the big Ammer harpsichord.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Fri Oct 14 18:30:18 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:39:54 PM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

    OK - I’m opening myself to attack,

    Par for the course.

    but I very much like Murray Perahia’ s Bach. Bach for
    me is MP’s best composer. His Partitas, French and
    English Suites are a pleasure to hear - repeatedly.

    Unfortunately MP is not Bach's best pianist.
    Or anyone's.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Oct 15 05:53:18 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:30:21 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:39:54 PM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

    OK - I’m opening myself to attack,
    Par for the course.
    but I very much like Murray Perahia’ s Bach. Bach for
    me is MP’s best composer. His Partitas, French and
    English Suites are a pleasure to hear - repeatedly.

    Unfortunately MP is not Bach's
    best pianist. Or anyone's.

    And it just dawnd on me "MP" are
    also Pletnev;s initials! Oy vey!

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Sat Oct 15 07:06:02 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:39:54 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:02:52 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:19:04 PM UTC-7, AB wrote:

    no Gould?

    No Gould and no Gouda.

    dk
    OK - I’m opening myself to attack, but I very much like Murray Perahia’ s Bach. Bach for me is MP’s best composer. His Partitas, French and English Suites are a pleasure to hear - repeatedly.

    Also, for the 6 Partitas I think Ralph Kirkpatrick’s 50s recording on Archive is excellent.
    For the English Suites on harpsichord are fantastic IMO - and I’m referring to the earlier recording on the big Ammer harpsichord.

    Given your taste, I have a strong intuition that you will enjoy Mahan Esfahani's partitas. I presume you've heard Puyana's on the 1740 Haas.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Oct 15 10:25:29 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:39:54 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:02:52 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:19:04 PM UTC-7, AB wrote:

    no Gould?

    No Gould and no Gouda.

    dk
    OK - I’m opening myself to attack, but I very much like Murray Perahia’ s Bach. Bach for me is MP’s best composer. His Partitas, French and English Suites are a pleasure to hear - repeatedly.

    Also, for the 6 Partitas I think Ralph Kirkpatrick’s 50s recording on Archive is excellent.
    For the English Suites on harpsichord are fantastic IMO - and I’m referring to the earlier recording on the big Ammer harpsichord.
    Given your taste, I have a strong intuition that you will enjoy Mahan Esfahani's partitas. I presume you've heard Puyana's on the 1740 Haas.

    Yes, I have the Puyana Partitas. It’s very odd that HIP harpsichord people dislike modern instruments, partly because they are too big and overly large sounding. Yet, the authentic Haas is more bombastic than any revival instrument I’ve ever heard!


    Thanks for the reference to Esfahani recording. I wish that Hyperion would stream.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Sat Oct 15 11:18:29 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 6:25:32 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:39:54 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:02:52 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:19:04 PM UTC-7, AB wrote:

    no Gould?

    No Gould and no Gouda.

    dk
    OK - I’m opening myself to attack, but I very much like Murray Perahia’ s Bach. Bach for me is MP’s best composer. His Partitas, French and English Suites are a pleasure to hear - repeatedly.

    Also, for the 6 Partitas I think Ralph Kirkpatrick’s 50s recording on Archive is excellent.
    For the English Suites on harpsichord are fantastic IMO - and I’m referring to the earlier recording on the big Ammer harpsichord.
    Given your taste, I have a strong intuition that you will enjoy Mahan Esfahani's partitas. I presume you've heard Puyana's on the 1740 Haas.
    Yes, I have the Puyana Partitas. It’s very odd that HIP harpsichord people dislike modern instruments, partly because they are too big and overly large sounding. Yet, the authentic Haas is more bombastic than any revival instrument I’ve ever heard!

    Thanks for the reference to Esfahani recording. I wish that Hyperion would stream.

    Esfahani’s big idea is that the Partitas are big and theatrical à la Handel - he in fact suggests that Bach was jealous of how much money Handel was making, and wanted to follow suit. Not for me, I like Ruckers and intimate - but the recording does
    show that Esfahani is a serious musician.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 15 11:22:05 2022
    Listening to Puyana and his Haas now in the 6th, amazing instrument really and certainly not unimaginative or unnatural performance. This recording, like Esfanani’s, really is a fresh and original conception of what the music sounds like.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Oct 15 11:46:09 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 2:22:08 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    Listening to Puyana and his Haas now in the 6th, amazing instrument really and certainly not unimaginative or unnatural performance. This recording, like Esfanani’s, really is a fresh and original conception of what the music sounds like.

    Rafael Puyana is still one of my favorite performers. All of his Mercury/Philips recordings are gems. He had a sense of rhythm that was very special. For me his greatness is tied to the Pleyel harpsichord. After that (around 1970), when he moved
    towards historical instruments, I think he lost a great deal of his unique magic.

    He was fortunate to come from a wealthy family who helped him to come to New England from Columbia and to study with Landowska.

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 15 12:34:09 2022
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 17 04:20:39 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 2:22:08 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    Listening to Puyana and his Haas now in the 6th, amazing instrument really and certainly not unimaginative or unnatural performance. This recording, like Esfanani’s, really is a fresh and original conception of what the music sounds like.
    Rafael Puyana is still one of my favorite performers. All of his Mercury/Philips recordings are gems. He had a sense of rhythm that was very special. For me his greatness is tied to the Pleyel harpsichord. After that (around 1970), when he moved
    towards historical instruments, I think he lost a great deal of his unique magic.

    He was fortunate to come from a wealthy family who helped him to come to New England from Columbia and to study with Landowska.

    I think you may like this. Aimee van der Wiele plays Francois Couperin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-BEVOc2vN0&ab_channel=HarpsichordVinylGallery

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Mon Oct 17 04:25:12 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:34:12 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    I usually listen to Bach on piano and have been exploring Marcelle Meyer's compendium on YT:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHBTyagfZ4

    However, all you guys discussing the harpsichord has had me listening to a variety of performers:

    Puyana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpa7CIAmvNQ lovely sound
    Leonhardt #4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYqF0RQLJhM
    #2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jGWCF2-xVc
    Camboulas #6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4wxg27PHC0
    Walcha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D-frZbFHVU
    K.Richter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZuUiNdqt6Y
    Pinnock - Hanssler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOgqLRLW9tI&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY8nfAG-Str8ryNcoTl8HIe6
    Pinnock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J77ikeKCnc
    Koopman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeY4a4C-Xuk embellished
    Kirkpatrick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiPBtRjWiBc
    Esfahani https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw79L7pCSY overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG93I15KYUY
    Rousset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fXBIvrO1s&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY8PWJKzOLgDXRJ6lomJjD06 unsteady
    Scott Ross https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmJpbCLZpk8 bland

    The Karl Richter is quite rewarding I think.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 17 04:27:16 2022
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:25:14 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:34:12 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    I usually listen to Bach on piano and have been exploring Marcelle Meyer's compendium on YT:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHBTyagfZ4

    However, all you guys discussing the harpsichord has had me listening to a variety of performers:

    Puyana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpa7CIAmvNQ lovely sound
    Leonhardt #4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYqF0RQLJhM
    #2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jGWCF2-xVc
    Camboulas #6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4wxg27PHC0
    Walcha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D-frZbFHVU
    K.Richter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZuUiNdqt6Y
    Pinnock - Hanssler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOgqLRLW9tI&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY8nfAG-Str8ryNcoTl8HIe6
    Pinnock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J77ikeKCnc
    Koopman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeY4a4C-Xuk embellished
    Kirkpatrick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiPBtRjWiBc
    Esfahani https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw79L7pCSY overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG93I15KYUY
    Rousset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fXBIvrO1s&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY8PWJKzOLgDXRJ6lomJjD06 unsteady
    Scott Ross https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmJpbCLZpk8 bland
    The Karl Richter is quite rewarding I think.

    Actually maybe not. As you can see, I am conflicted. Be interested to know what others think.

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  • From James Goodzeit@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Mon Oct 17 06:45:34 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:46:54 PM UTC-4, Andy Evans wrote:
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?
    Scott Ross

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to james.g...@gmail.com on Mon Oct 17 08:02:44 2022
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 2:45:37 PM UTC+1, james.g...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 1:46:54 PM UTC-4, Andy Evans wrote:
    Usual question - which are your favourite versions?
    Scott Ross

    I'd say it's the best thing Ross did.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 17 13:07:39 2022
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 7:20:42 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 7:46:11 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 2:22:08 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    Listening to Puyana and his Haas now in the 6th, amazing instrument really and certainly not unimaginative or unnatural performance. This recording, like Esfanani’s, really is a fresh and original conception of what the music sounds like.
    Rafael Puyana is still one of my favorite performers. All of his Mercury/Philips recordings are gems. He had a sense of rhythm that was very special. For me his greatness is tied to the Pleyel harpsichord. After that (around 1970), when he moved
    towards historical instruments, I think he lost a great deal of his unique magic.

    He was fortunate to come from a wealthy family who helped him to come to New England from Columbia and to study with Landowska.
    I think you may like this. Aimee van der Wiele plays Francois Couperin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-BEVOc2vN0&ab_channel=HarpsichordVinylGallery

    Yes - I grew up with that recording! It was reissued in the 60s on a Nonesuch L.P. It was a great introduction to Francois Couperin. Van Der Wiele was a student of Wanda Landowska. While I grew away from that recording, I still prefer her 2
    recordings of Poulenc’s Concert Champetre, with Derveaux and Pretre to any others.

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