• Re: Please recommend me some Brahms lieder recordings

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Oct 14 08:04:46 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:58:40 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""
    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"

    Lemnitz's "O Wüßt ich doch den Weg zurück" is also out of this world but doesn't seem to be on Youtube.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Oct 14 07:58:38 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""

    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Oct 14 09:58:49 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:58:40 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""
    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"
    Lemnitz's "O Wüßt ich doch den Weg zurück" is also out of this world but doesn't seem to be on Youtube.

    Can't find any reference to that anywhere -- but you've prompted me to explore her Brahms and Wolf, so thanks. Humanity, vulnerability, in the voice, I like it.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Oct 14 10:06:34 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 5:58:52 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:58:40 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""
    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"
    Lemnitz's "O Wüßt ich doch den Weg zurück" is also out of this world but doesn't seem to be on Youtube.
    Can't find any reference to that anywhere -- but you've prompted me to explore her Brahms and Wolf, so thanks. Humanity, vulnerability, in the voice, I like it.


    Sorry, what I said was misleading. It is AMAZING singing (just heard Immer leiser wird mein Schlummer)

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Oct 14 11:43:03 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 9:58:52 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:58:40 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""
    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"
    Lemnitz's "O Wüßt ich doch den Weg zurück" is also out of this world but doesn't seem to be on Youtube.
    Can't find any reference to that anywhere -- but you've prompted me to explore her Brahms and Wolf, so thanks. Humanity, vulnerability, in the voice, I like it.

    If you can find that recording, you'll realize what WELTSCHMERZ really means.

    (And I DO mean REALLY.)

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Oct 14 14:47:37 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:43:06 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 9:58:52 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:58:40 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""
    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"
    Lemnitz's "O Wüßt ich doch den Weg zurück" is also out of this world but doesn't seem to be on Youtube.
    Can't find any reference to that anywhere -- but you've prompted me to explore her Brahms and Wolf, so thanks. Humanity, vulnerability, in the voice, I like it.
    If you can find that recording, you'll realize what WELTSCHMERZ really means.

    (And I DO mean REALLY.)

    Wonderful singer. Thank you 8Gs.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Oct 14 23:37:28 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:47:40 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:43:06 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 9:58:52 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:58:40 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""
    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"
    Lemnitz's "O Wüßt ich doch den Weg zurück" is also out of this world but doesn't seem to be on Youtube.
    Can't find any reference to that anywhere -- but you've prompted me to explore her Brahms and Wolf, so thanks. Humanity, vulnerability, in the voice, I like it.
    If you can find that recording, you'll realize what WELTSCHMERZ really means.

    (And I DO mean REALLY.)
    Wonderful singer. Thank you 8Gs.

    She is mentioned in the book SONG ON RECORD, V.1:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=IeIq_A4WBWwC&pg=PA300&dq=%22song+on+record%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF3IfezuH6AhUGEEQIHVdDCSEQuwV6BAgDEAU#v=onepage&q=lemnitz&f=false

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 15 00:55:56 2022
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Oct 15 01:36:43 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced

    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Oct 15 01:42:38 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five

    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Oct 15 01:45:58 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:42:41 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) exists because I have it.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Oct 15 01:58:21 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.

    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Oct 15 01:50:52 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five

    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Oct 15 03:10:40 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf

    Good work!

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Oct 15 10:38:46 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:10:42 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf
    Good work!

    Aren't you in the U.K.?

    If you want to know the contents of that lp, if the British Library has an online catalog, I would think that one could find the info there.

    If the contents don't seem to be online, please let me know and I will get my lp and list it for you.

    If you like DER FREISCHUTZ, the following says:

    - I first heard the Lemnitz voice in her 1935 Freischutz recording, With that she set a standard she was never to surpass. Wie nahte mir
    der Schlummer was not the complete scene, but concluded with the end of the prayer; it was Und ob die Wolke that made the deep impression. Was there ever a creamier voice, or one under more perfect control?

    https://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v10/v10n1p81-84.pdf

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Oct 16 01:16:52 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:38:49 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:10:42 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf
    Good work!
    Aren't you in the U.K.?

    If you want to know the contents of that lp, if the British Library has an online catalog, I would think that one could find the info there.

    If the contents don't seem to be online, please let me know and I will get my lp and list it for you.

    If you like DER FREISCHUTZ, the following says:

    - I first heard the Lemnitz voice in her 1935 Freischutz recording, With that she set a standard she was never to surpass. Wie nahte mir
    der Schlummer was not the complete scene, but concluded with the end of the prayer; it was Und ob die Wolke that made the deep impression. Was there ever a creamier voice, or one under more perfect control?

    https://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v10/v10n1p81-84.pdf

    The contents of ROCOCO 5320:

    https://www.worldcat.org/title/9449894

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Oct 17 23:12:41 2022
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 1:16:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:38:49 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:10:42 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf
    Good work!
    Aren't you in the U.K.?

    If you want to know the contents of that lp, if the British Library has an online catalog, I would think that one could find the info there.

    If the contents don't seem to be online, please let me know and I will get my lp and list it for you.

    If you like DER FREISCHUTZ, the following says:

    - I first heard the Lemnitz voice in her 1935 Freischutz recording, With that she set a standard she was never to surpass. Wie nahte mir
    der Schlummer was not the complete scene, but concluded with the end of the prayer; it was Und ob die Wolke that made the deep impression. Was there ever a creamier voice, or one under more perfect control?

    https://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v10/v10n1p81-84.pdf
    The contents of ROCOCO 5320:

    https://www.worldcat.org/title/9449894

    Besides "O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück", weren't there other items on that lp that were never recorded in the studio?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Oct 18 10:41:07 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    Dusolina Giannini:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=giannini+brahms

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Oct 18 14:38:33 2022
    On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 6:41:09 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    Dusolina Giannini:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=giannini+brahms

    Hmmm -- that's quite a challenging voice for me!

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Oct 18 15:49:25 2022
    On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:41:09 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    Dusolina Giannini:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=giannini+brahms

    I also like her CASTA DIVA, LA VERGINE DEGLE ANGELI, and her complete AIDA which she recorded in the 1920's with Pertile.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Oct 18 16:55:30 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    If you have $2.68, this 8 lp box set of historical recordings of Brahms (and Schumann) is now on ebay:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/195412599591?hash=item2d7f7fa327:g:qO0AAOSwu-9jP13N&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsLAUhrLfJmuKJh8EDDCv0fGOxfVocW6LwHycVqY5wqy04RneJuv%2FRQI%2B272f%2FmKu5rZhJWDVFXN%2F8TryeCMaTV8yYb4Jw4b3%
    2BgDZfqyr0BWKpXBbCGOFFHa7CrYJ20i6c1QiMtPijPb3pojJMfyNDjcHV5mGq4filMZ%2BJ%2Bu9s2JfeUlzHAzRYsxg2GFrWqlKX714Br8IYttVW6xGWP6CMXOkvfZXT8MCyKhdf7ByD2QK%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8awnNj9YA

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Oct 18 16:57:42 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    If you have $2.68, this 8 lp box set of historical recordings of Brahms and Schumann lieder is now on ebay:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/195412599591?hash=item2d7f7fa327:g:qO0AAOSwu-9jP13N&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsLAUhrLfJmuKJh8EDDCv0fGOxfVocW6LwHycVqY5wqy04RneJuv%2FRQI%2B272f%2FmKu5rZhJWDVFXN%2F8TryeCMaTV8yYb4Jw4b3%
    2BgDZfqyr0BWKpXBbCGOFFHa7CrYJ20i6c1QiMtPijPb3pojJMfyNDjcHV5mGq4filMZ%2BJ%2Bu9s2JfeUlzHAzRYsxg2GFrWqlKX714Br8IYttVW6xGWP6CMXOkvfZXT8MCyKhdf7ByD2QK%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8awnNj9YA

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Oct 18 21:55:20 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    Concerning "Wie bist du meine Königin", I like Fischer-Dieskau.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Oct 18 21:59:55 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    A soprano who was a contemporary of Lemnitz was Konetzni who also recorded Brahms lieder.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Oct 21 09:00:06 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:06:36 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 5:58:52 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:58:40 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""
    (Y. upload):

    "Von ewiger Liebe Tiana Lemnitz Bruno Seidler-Winkler Brahms"
    Lemnitz's "O Wüßt ich doch den Weg zurück" is also out of this world but doesn't seem to be on Youtube.
    Can't find any reference to that anywhere -- but you've prompted me to explore her Brahms and Wolf, so thanks. Humanity, vulnerability, in the voice, I like it.
    Sorry, what I said was misleading. It is AMAZING singing (just heard Immer leiser wird mein Schlummer)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH0LG_qohGw

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Oct 21 11:58:33 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):
    "ANNELIESE ROTHENBERGER " DIE MAINACHT""

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.opera/c/MLgxqe4Skh0

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Oct 21 18:38:51 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):

    "Shirley Verrett: Meine Lieder-Brahms. live"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 22 07:57:39 2022
    On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 9:59:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    A soprano who was a contemporary of Lemnitz was Konetzni who also recorded Brahms lieder.

    A sample of her arias -

    (2022 Y. uploads):

    "Re-pitched HILDE KONETZNI Tannhäuser: Allmächt'ge Jungfrau (Richard Wagner)"

    "Re-pitched HILDE KONETZNI Madame Butterfly: Über das Meer und alle Lande (Giacomo Puccini)"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Oct 22 08:39:13 2022
    On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 7:57:43 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 9:59:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    A soprano who was a contemporary of Lemnitz was Konetzni who also recorded Brahms lieder.
    A sample of her arias -

    (2022 Y. uploads):

    "Re-pitched HILDE KONETZNI Tannhäuser: Allmächt'ge Jungfrau (Richard Wagner)"

    "Re-pitched HILDE KONETZNI Madame Butterfly: Über das Meer und alle Lande (Giacomo Puccini)"

    (2022 Y. uploads):

    "Re-pitched HILDE KONETZNI Der Freischütz: Wie nahte mir der Schlummer"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 24 10:45:57 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/D6y56y_7ogo/m/oxw0pgz32E8J

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Oct 25 09:12:09 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):

    "Ilse Hollweg singt Johannes Brahms"

    ["Es träumte mir"]

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Oct 30 01:34:07 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. uploads):

    "Brahms - Von ewiger Liebe - Ljuba Welitsch (1952)"

    "Brahms - Wie Melodien zieht es mir - Ljuba Welitsch (1952)"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Oct 30 01:57:58 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):

    "Brahms: Vier Gesänge, op. 43 - II Die Mainacht - Maggie Teyte, soprano; Rita Mackay, piano"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Oct 30 02:03:22 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):

    "Shirley Verrett - Brahms: Ach Wende diesen Blick op.57 n.4"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Oct 30 02:15:42 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):

    "Shirley Verrett: Meine Lieder-Brahms. live"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Nov 1 00:34:03 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/brahms-lieder-most-famous-collections.17770/#post-264623

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Nov 6 22:12:12 2022
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced

    Isn't relying on the likes of CHARM and SPOTIFY for discographic info kind of iffy because they only include cd's and so are not comprehensive?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Nov 12 20:17:32 2022
    On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:12:15 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    Isn't relying on the likes of CHARM and SPOTIFY for discographic info kind of iffy because they only include cd's and so are not comprehensive?

    Concerning historical recordings which haven't been issued of cd yet, DISCOGS might be more reliable although it does have gaps (e.g., Lemnitz's farewell recital on ROCOCO 5320).

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 14:48:14 2022
    Enjoying Schlusnus in Mainacht

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Jan 30 09:38:55 2023
    On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:35:29 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    (Y. upload):

    "Aulikki Rautawaara: Alte Liebe by Brahms"

    (Y. upload):

    "Aulikki Rautawaara: Liebestreu by Brahms"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Jan 30 09:35:26 2023
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    (Y. upload):

    "Aulikki Rautawaara: Alte Liebe by Brahms"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Mar 3 09:27:02 2023
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    Have I already mentioned the folowing?

    (Y. upload(:

    "Brahms - Lerchengesang - Müller / Raucheisen"

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  • From oldeastsider@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Mar 3 19:54:02 2023
    On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-6, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    Have I already mentioned the folowing?

    (Y. upload(:

    "Brahms - Lerchengesang - Müller / Raucheisen"


    HMV/EMI Schumann/Brahms Lieder on Record RLS15470012
    8 Lp's and a 48 page booklet with biographies of the singers and the lyrics. What more could you ask for?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Mar 9 15:50:52 2023
    On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:27:04 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    Have I already mentioned the folowing?

    (Y. upload(:

    "Brahms - Lerchengesang - Müller / Raucheisen"

    Do you want to see a simultaneous English translation to what's being sung?

    (Y. upload):

    "Renée Fleming - Brahms Lerchengesang op.70 No.2 LIVE (1993)"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Mar 9 21:54:59 2023
    On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:27:04 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!
    Have I already mentioned the folowing?

    (Y. upload(:

    "Brahms - Lerchengesang - Müller / Raucheisen"

    [For non-German speakers - a simultaneous English translation of what's being sung]

    (Y. upload):

    "Renée Fleming - Brahms Lerchengesang op.70 No.2 LIVE (1993)"

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 00:23:17 2023
    Listened to Loraine Hunt Lieberson singing the op 57 songs last week - excellent! A Wigmore Hall recital disc.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Mar 12 01:15:04 2023
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:38:49 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:10:42 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf
    Good work!
    Aren't you in the U.K.?

    If you want to know the contents of that lp, if the British Library has an online catalog, I would think that one could find the info there.

    If the contents don't seem to be online, please let me know and I will get my lp and list it for you.

    If you like DER FREISCHUTZ, the following says:

    - I first heard the Lemnitz voice in her 1935 Freischutz recording, With that she set a standard she was never to surpass. Wie nahte mir
    der Schlummer was not the complete scene, but concluded with the end of the prayer; it was Und ob die Wolke that made the deep impression. Was there ever a creamier voice, or one under more perfect control?

    https://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v10/v10n1p81-84.pdf

    Concerning " Und ob die Wolke", here is Maria Muller's recording:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7NIDNm2D3I

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Mar 12 01:45:46 2023
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:38:49 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:10:42 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf
    Good work!
    Aren't you in the U.K.?

    If you want to know the contents of that lp, if the British Library has an online catalog, I would think that one could find the info there.

    If the contents don't seem to be online, please let me know and I will get my lp and list it for you.

    If you like DER FREISCHUTZ, the following says:

    - I first heard the Lemnitz voice in her 1935 Freischutz recording, With that she set a standard she was never to surpass. Wie nahte mir
    der Schlummer was not the complete scene, but concluded with the end of the prayer; it was Und ob die Wolke that made the deep impression. Was there ever a creamier voice, or one under more perfect control?

    https://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v10/v10n1p81-84.pdf

    Concerning " Und ob die Wolke", here is Maria Muller's recording:

    Concerning "Und ob die Wolke", have you heard Maria Muller's recording?

    (2023 Y. upload):

    "Maria Müller; "Un dob die Wolke"; (Agathe's Gebet); DIE FREISCHÜTZ; Carl Maria von Weber"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Mar 12 01:48:39 2023
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 1:45:49 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 1:15:08 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:38:49 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:10:42 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf
    Good work!
    Aren't you in the U.K.?

    If you want to know the contents of that lp, if the British Library has an online catalog, I would think that one could find the info there.

    If the contents don't seem to be online, please let me know and I will get my lp and list it for you.

    If you like DER FREISCHUTZ, the following says:

    - I first heard the Lemnitz voice in her 1935 Freischutz recording, With that she set a standard she was never to surpass. Wie nahte mir
    der Schlummer was not the complete scene, but concluded with the end of the prayer; it was Und ob die Wolke that made the deep impression. Was there ever a creamier voice, or one under more perfect control?

    https://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v10/v10n1p81-84.pdf

    Concerning "Und ob die Wolke", have you heard Maria Muller's recording?

    (2023 Y. upload):

    "Maria Müller; "Un dob die Wolke"; (Agathe's Gebet); DIE FREISCHÜTZ; Carl Maria von Weber"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Mar 12 01:52:48 2023
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:38:49 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 3:10:42 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 9:58:23 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück isn’t mentioned on CHARM

    https://charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/search_advanced
    O wüßt ich doch den weg zurück was sung live at her farewell recital by Lemnitz on Rococo lp 5320 (Lemnitz,v.4) which was part of this series (the following is v.5):

    https://www.discogs.com/release/11342261-Lemnitz-Tiana-Lemnitz-Volume-Five
    As far as I know, none of the lps in this Rococo series has come out on cd.

    I know that v.4 (Rococo 5320) actually exists because I have it, but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online.
    I found it. Click on the following link and then use CTRL-F to search for Rococo 5320:

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/80s/High-Fidelity-1980-07.pdf
    Good work!
    Aren't you in the U.K.?

    If you want to know the contents of that lp, if the British Library has an online catalog, I would think that one could find the info there.

    If the contents don't seem to be online, please let me know and I will get my lp and list it for you.

    If you like DER FREISCHUTZ, the following says:

    - I first heard the Lemnitz voice in her 1935 Freischutz recording, With that she set a standard she was never to surpass. Wie nahte mir
    der Schlummer was not the complete scene, but concluded with the end of the prayer; it was Und ob die Wolke that made the deep impression. Was there ever a creamier voice, or one under more perfect control?

    https://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v10/v10n1p81-84.pdf

    Concerning "Und ob die Wolke", have you heard Maria Muller's recording?

    (2023 Y. upload):

    "Maria Müller; "Un dob die Wolke"; (Agathe's Gebet); DIE FREISCHÜTZ; Carl Maria von Weber"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Mar 22 09:47:45 2023
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    Sabine Kalter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpf1Zhu0iXg&list=OLAK5uy_khM5YeymtrUehkAXr6wZ4yF2cGZc4Suw0&index=16

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Apr 18 15:30:02 2023
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    Have at it!

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.opera/c/wxZ9UpkUNnA

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