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  • Michael Finnissy's homage to Scriabin

    From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 11 11:34:44 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVHyijSAMw&t=254s&ab_channel=JaredRedmond

    I just think that this captures the eroticism of Scriabin's music really well.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Oct 11 12:35:30 2022
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 11:34:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVHyijSAMw&t=254s&ab_channel=JaredRedmond

    I just think that this captures the eroticism of Scriabin's music really well.

    This captures it even better:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v8lejdihkd8uh43/AABa9d6mcmMWwNzGECVjN-c4a?dl=0

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 11 15:17:51 2022
    Op dinsdag 11 oktober 2022 om 21:35:33 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

    Many thanks for the download!

    Henk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 12 09:42:08 2022
    I have a theory about Scriabin pianists in the sonatas. Girls are better than boys. They get in touch with the voluptuous roundness, the moist melon-ness, of the music better than the thrusting bucking boys. Okashiro. Loredo.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Oct 12 17:08:57 2022
    On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 9:42:11 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I have a theory about Scriabin pianists in the sonatas.

    You seem to have theories about anything and everything!

    Girls are better than boys.

    Some are, some aren't. It would be rather difficult to argue
    any pianist is "better" than Sofronitsky, Zhukov or Margulis
    in the Scriabin sonatas.

    They get in touch with the voluptuous roundness, the
    moist melon-ness, of the music better than the thrusting
    bucking boys.

    There is a lot more to Scriabin's music than "voluptuous
    roundness"

    Okashiro. Loredo.

    Okashiro is good , and so is Yuki Matsuzawa. Laredo is
    not even in the game at all. Maria Letberg is disapointing

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrIRbytwpAMnQSidTaFY1MAnf_I2jXcS8

    HJ Lim has recorded only 4 and 5, and performed no 10
    live in Dublin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-ztMFCw0g

    They are all superb.

    And then there's Richter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA

    Enjoy!

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 12 21:44:27 2022
    Has anyone here heard Okashiro’s Prometheus transcription?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Oct 12 22:42:30 2022
    On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 9:44:30 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    Has anyone here heard Okashiro’s
    Prometheus transcription?

    Yes -- why?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Oct 12 22:50:08 2022
    On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:42:33 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 9:44:30 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    Has anyone here heard Okashiro’s
    Prometheus transcription?

    Yes -- why?

    Having been terrorized by Herman for praising and
    recommending performances by long haired Asian
    women pianists, I refrain from stating a personal
    opinion. Check the reviews on Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Prometheus-Transcription-Okashiro-Recording/product-reviews/B09PC4Y7WT/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 00:48:13 2022
    The problem is that it’s really expensive to import into the UK, they can seemingly randomly decide to impose a duty at the border, and if they do, it’s not so much the duty which is annoyingly expensive, but the administration charge they levy.
    However the reviews on Amazon.com, even Myron Silberstein’s, make me very tempted.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 13 01:00:29 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 12:48:15 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    The problem is that it’s really expensive to import into the UK,
    they can seemingly randomly decide to impose a duty at the
    border, and if they do, it’s not so much the duty which is
    annoyingly expensive, but the administration charge they
    levy. However the reviews on Amazon.com, even Myron
    Silberstein’s, make me very tempted.

    I would be happy to send you one, wrapped in a brown
    bag marked "birthday gift" or "review copy" or whatever
    you like with a declared value of no more than tu'ppence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk23s4hh8M8

    I can send it to "Poste Restante" so you don't have to
    reveal your address. Please contact me privately.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Oct 13 01:04:34 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:00:32 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 12:48:15 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    The problem is that it’s really expensive to import into the UK,
    they can seemingly randomly decide to impose a duty at the
    border, and if they do, it’s not so much the duty which is
    annoyingly expensive, but the administration charge they
    levy. However the reviews on Amazon.com, even Myron
    Silberstein’s, make me very tempted.
    I would be happy to send you one, wrapped in a brown
    bag marked "birthday gift" or "review copy" or whatever
    you like with a declared value of no more than tu'ppence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk23s4hh8M8

    I can send it to "Poste Restante" so you don't have to
    reveal your address. Please contact me privately.

    I find it surprising the UK levies custom duties
    on CDs. There is (or used to be) an international
    postal convention that exempted books and music
    recordings sent by mail from custom duties as long
    as they were gifted or purchased for personal use.
    Is that no longer the case?

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Oct 13 01:59:46 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 9:57:48 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:38:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    That’s a kind offer, Dan. I’ve put my feelers out
    elsewhere and there may be an easier way. But
    thank you.
    Nothing easier, the CD is already on its way! And
    I can also digitize it and send you weightless bits.

    https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/poste-restante
    I’ve been reading Myron Silberstein’s reviews - he’s
    quite inspiring about music I’m very unfamiliar with.
    Just Prometheus, or Scriabin in general?
    He has led me to Jerfi Afi’s Scriabin’s CD, which I’m
    listening to this morning.
    Jerfi Aji (not Afi) is no Scriabinist:


    dk

    Yes I agree with you about Jerfi Aji!

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 01:37:59 2022
    That’s a kind offer, Dan. I’ve put my feelers out elsewhere and there may be an easier way. But thank you.

    I’ve been reading Myron Silberstein’s reviews - he’s quite inspiring about music I’m very unfamiliar with. He has led me to Jerfi Afi’s Scriabin’s CD, which I’m listening to this morning.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 13 01:57:45 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:38:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    That’s a kind offer, Dan. I’ve put my feelers out
    elsewhere and there may be an easier way. But
    thank you.

    Nothing easier, the CD is already on its way! And
    I can also digitize it and send you weightless bits.

    https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/poste-restante

    I’ve been reading Myron Silberstein’s reviews - he’s
    quite inspiring about music I’m very unfamiliar with.

    Just Prometheus, or Scriabin in general?

    He has led me to Jerfi Afi’s Scriabin’s CD, which I’m
    listening to this morning.

    Jerfi Aji (not Afi) is no Scriabinist:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkrEN3WYBzA

    This is mediocre at best.

    Why not go straight to the source first?

    Compare with

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82DKeZXpSmI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvkkt4izxOQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANg77DkO8A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulreFAgJk8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWx-F35awQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6S_Oz4uag

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nrg7Lqfak

    These people have, or had, Scriabin in their blood,
    DNA and bone marrow.

    Incidentally, the recently released set of Sofronitsky's
    Complete Scriabin Recordings just surfaced on YT:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY

    Much to my surprise since new releases are usually
    embargoed from YT for at least one year following
    release.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 13 02:03:42 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:59:49 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 9:57:48 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Jerfi Aji (not Afi) is no Scriabinist:

    Yes I agree with you about Jerfi Aji!

    Thank you! To play Scriabin really as
    it should be played one must be crazy
    to a degree most musicians never can
    be. ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 13 02:47:16 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:26:30 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    I didn't know this one existed -- Cortot with a Scriabin etude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H7gORRJY7g&ab_channel=Beckmesser2

    Well known!

    Here's Gieseking too:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scriabin+gieseking

    For pianists, Scriabin is pure catnip! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 02:33:22 2022
    And Sofro on Scriabin's piano

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVjXDOJgFk&t=270s&ab_channel=auticre

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 02:26:28 2022
    I didn't know this one existed -- Cortot with a Scriabin etude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H7gORRJY7g&ab_channel=Beckmesser2

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 13 02:45:50 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:33:35 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    And Sofro on Scriabin's piano

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVjXDOJgFk&t=270s&ab_channel=auticre

    Well known and famous.
    Sofronitsky was Scriabin's
    son-in-law. He practiced on
    that instrument! ;-)

    dk

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Oct 13 03:08:40 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:26:30 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    I didn't know this one existed -- Cortot with a Scriabin etude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H7gORRJY7g&ab_channel=Beckmesser2
    Well known!

    Here's Gieseking too:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scriabin+gieseking

    For pianists, Scriabin is pure catnip! ;-)

    dk

    In my opinion Horowitz practically owns the 10th Sonata. It’s one of his greatest performances of all time! If Scriabin is about sensuality, late Scriabin is equally about occultism. I don’t know if women are generally better at conveying this type
    of atmosphere. Sorry to have to say that Ruth Laredo cannot be considered among the top rung of Scriabin. Also, Sviatoslav Richter‘s mono Moscow Conservatory performance of Sonata No. 6 is magic and I’ve never heard it surpassed for my taste.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Thu Oct 13 04:25:49 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:08:43 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:26:30 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    I didn't know this one existed -- Cortot with a Scriabin etude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H7gORRJY7g&ab_channel=Beckmesser2
    Well known!

    Here's Gieseking too:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scriabin+gieseking

    For pianists, Scriabin is pure catnip! ;-)

    dk
    In my opinion Horowitz practically owns the 10th Sonata. It’s one of his greatest performances of all time! If Scriabin is about sensuality, late Scriabin is equally about occultism. I don’t know if women are generally better at conveying this type
    of atmosphere. Sorry to have to say that Ruth Laredo cannot be considered among the top rung of Scriabin. Also, Sviatoslav Richter‘s mono Moscow Conservatory performance of Sonata No. 6 is magic and I’ve never heard it surpassed for my taste.

    The Richter is unlistenable isn't it? Because of the sound.

    I think much of Scriabin's piano music is many things -- sensual, contrapuntal, mystical. What I think the women do -- including Laredo in sonata 6 for example -- is catch the sensual side, which appeals to me at the moment. I'm, not saying all women
    Scriabin players do this!

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Thu Oct 13 08:00:57 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 3:35:59 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Jerfi Aji (not Afi) is no Scriabinist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkrEN3WYBzA
    It's wellrounded and voluptuous!
    Compare with
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82DKeZXpSmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvkkt4izxOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANg77DkO8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulreFAgJk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWx-F35awQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6S_Oz4uag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nrg7Lqfak
    The last link is by far the most interesting.
    Incidentally, the recently released set of Sofronitsky's
    Complete Scriabin Recordings just surfaced on YT: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY
    Thanks for the link!

    Henk


    You're a russianpianistophile!

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 07:35:56 2022
    Jerfi Aji (not Afi) is no Scriabinist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkrEN3WYBzA

    It's wellrounded and voluptuous!

    Compare with
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82DKeZXpSmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvkkt4izxOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANg77DkO8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulreFAgJk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWx-F35awQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6S_Oz4uag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nrg7Lqfak

    The last link is by far the most interesting.

    Incidentally, the recently released set of Sofronitsky's
    Complete Scriabin Recordings just surfaced on YT: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY

    Thanks for the link!

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Thu Oct 13 07:45:56 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 7:35:59 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nrg7Lqfak

    The last link is by far the most interesting.

    Because he took off his jacket ?!?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 13 08:06:05 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 8:01:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 3:35:59 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Jerfi Aji (not Afi) is no Scriabinist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkrEN3WYBzA
    It's wellrounded and voluptuous!
    Compare with
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82DKeZXpSmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvkkt4izxOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANg77DkO8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulreFAgJk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWx-F35awQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6S_Oz4uag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nrg7Lqfak
    The last link is by far the most interesting.
    Incidentally, the recently released set of Sofronitsky's
    Complete Scriabin Recordings just surfaced on YT: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY
    Thanks for the link!

    You're a russianpianistophile!

    Not really. As pointed out earlier, many
    of them were actually Ukrainian and/or
    Jewish.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Oct 13 08:32:24 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 4:06:08 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 8:01:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 3:35:59 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Jerfi Aji (not Afi) is no Scriabinist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkrEN3WYBzA
    It's wellrounded and voluptuous!
    Compare with
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82DKeZXpSmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvkkt4izxOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANg77DkO8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulreFAgJk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWx-F35awQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW6S_Oz4uag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nrg7Lqfak
    The last link is by far the most interesting.
    Incidentally, the recently released set of Sofronitsky's
    Complete Scriabin Recordings just surfaced on YT: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY
    Thanks for the link!

    You're a russianpianistophile!

    Not really. As pointed out earlier, many
    of them were actually Ukrainian and/or
    Jewish.

    dk

    Ah.

    Here’s a pianist I’ve never come across before, Stanislav Igolinskiy. I’m just listening to random Scriabin recordings and this one has caught my attention

    https://open.spotify.com/artist/3tRSo7dPEFW1qmx6Dfrgjg

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 10:06:07 2022
    Op donderdag 13 oktober 2022 om 16:45:59 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 7:35:59 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nrg7Lqfak

    The last link is by far the most interesting.
    Because he took off his jacket ?!?

    dk

    In a sense. Just listen to the opening bars. Horowitz is the only one who is interested in more than just make the right sound.

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 10:11:08 2022
    Here’s a pianist I’ve never come across before, Stanislav Igolinskiy. I’m just listening to random Scriabin recordings and this one has caught my attention

    https://open.spotify.com/artist/3tRSo7dPEFW1qmx6Dfrgjg

    He did very well in Brussels in 1975: second prize. Faerman got first prize.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Thu Oct 13 11:35:23 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 10:11:10 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Here’s a pianist I’ve never come across before, Stanislav Igolinskiy. I’m just listening to random Scriabin recordings and this one has caught my attention

    https://open.spotify.com/artist/3tRSo7dPEFW1qmx6Dfrgjg

    He did very well in Brussels in 1975:
    second prize. Faerman got first prize.

    Brussels was probably the reason
    neither of them got much notice.

    Faerman recorded the Paganini
    Vars for DG and received good
    reviews:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH_D2aquidQ&list=OLAK5uy_mvdWshDa2eMQL3QCZjSfL5U87ODMxt-no

    He does not seem to have made
    any recordings since winning the
    Liz prize. Here is a Chopin Etudes
    cycle straight from the competition.

    Henk, did you hear him at the Liz?

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 12:10:00 2022
    e does not seem to have made
    any recordings since winning the
    Liz prize. Here is a Chopin Etudes
    cycle straight from the competition.

    Henk, did you hear him at the Liz?

    dk

    Yes, I did follow the competition closely that year. It was Egorov's year. Egorov's ended behind Faerman and Igolinsky - and deservedly so, imo.
    It seems that Igolinsky also participated in the Tchaikovsky of 1974 - and got 2nd prize.

    Henk

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 13 13:35:20 2022
    On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 22:25:52 UTC+11, Mandryka wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:08:43 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-4, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 2:26:30 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    I didn't know this one existed -- Cortot with a Scriabin etude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H7gORRJY7g&ab_channel=Beckmesser2
    Well known!

    Here's Gieseking too:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scriabin+gieseking

    For pianists, Scriabin is pure catnip! ;-)

    dk
    In my opinion Horowitz practically owns the 10th Sonata. It’s one of his greatest performances of all time! If Scriabin is about sensuality, late Scriabin is equally about occultism. I don’t know if women are generally better at conveying this
    type of atmosphere. Sorry to have to say that Ruth Laredo cannot be considered among the top rung of Scriabin. Also, Sviatoslav Richter‘s mono Moscow Conservatory performance of Sonata No. 6 is magic and I’ve never heard it surpassed for my taste.
    The Richter is unlistenable isn't it? Because of the sound.

    I think much of Scriabin's piano music is many things -- sensual, contrapuntal, mystical. What I think the women do -- including Laredo in sonata 6 for example -- is catch the sensual side, which appeals to me at the moment. I'm, not saying all women
    Scriabin players do this!

    The phrase that comes to mind with regards to Scriabin, is lurid decadence slathered in deep scarlet. Of course, I am referring to his orchestral works especially.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Thu Oct 13 15:09:13 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 12:10:03 PM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    e does not seem to have made
    any recordings since winning the
    Liz prize. Here is a Chopin Etudes
    cycle straight from the competition.

    Henk, did you hear him at the Liz?

    Yes, I did follow the competition closely
    that year. It was Egorov's year. Egorov's
    ended behind Faerman and Igolinsky -

    You shouldn't have watched
    -- you spooked him! ;-)

    dk

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  • From MickeyBoy@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Oct 13 15:15:05 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 4:47:19 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Here's Gieseking too:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scriabin+gieseking

    For pianists, Scriabin is pure catnip! ;-)

    dk

    In response to the Gieseking video and its nicely strange seque3nce of famous paintings, I'd like to make a few comments. First, for those like Mandryka and me, the sensuality is paramount. The rapid banging is confusing, episodes confusing the overall
    progression. The paintings portrayed don't seem to correspond ot the music. I would prefer to see a few lithographs of Odilon Redon instead. Perhaps just one of the many presenting the growth of a germ or seed. Or perhaps just one at the end giving
    something to savor on the tips of our musical and visual tongue. The black-and-white of the lithographs corresponds very well to Scriabine's chromaticisms, n'est-ce pas?

    Second, recommendations for performances of the sonatas & etudes. Btb, I find M. Cortot's etude just as superb as expected. I still remember buying an MK lp in the 1960s or so and being gobsmacked by Richter's etudes.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Thu Oct 13 15:12:50 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:35:24 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

    The phrase that comes to mind with regards to
    Scriabin, is lurid decadence slathered in deep
    scarlet. Of course, I am referring to his orchestral
    works especially.

    What does "decadence" mean?
    Are you speaking in tongues? ;-)

    To my ears, "decadence" means
    Parsifal and Tristan. Not only
    decadent but also obscene.

    Compared to Wagner Scriabin
    was a very healthy person.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Thu Oct 13 16:06:56 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 3:25:45 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 09:12:53 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:35:24 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    The phrase that comes to mind with regards to
    Scriabin, is lurid decadence slathered in deep
    scarlet. Of course, I am referring to his orchestral
    works especially.

    What does "decadence" mean?
    Are you speaking in tongues? ;-)

    As per duckionary,
    decadence = moral or cultural decline as characterized
    by excessive indulgence in pleasure or luxury.

    Any evidence Scriabin indulged in
    excessive in pleasure or luxury?

    To my ears, "decadence" means
    Parsifal and Tristan. Not only
    decadent but also obscene.

    Compared to Wagner Scriabin
    was a very healthy person.

    I am not sure about this.

    Information about Dick's life is plentiful.
    Anyone unsure about his mental health
    should refer to one of his biographies.

    I like Wagnerian chunks sans les voices.

    Even the brass flush? ;-)

    I even have two Ring cycles I haven't
    listened to yet.

    Only reinforces my case.

    dk

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to dan....gmail.com on Thu Oct 13 15:25:42 2022
    On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 09:12:53 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:35:24 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    The phrase that comes to mind with regards to
    Scriabin, is lurid decadence slathered in deep
    scarlet. Of course, I am referring to his orchestral
    works especially.
    What does "decadence" mean?
    Are you speaking in tongues? ;-)

    As per duckionary,
    decadence = moral or cultural decline as characterized by excessive indulgence in pleasure or luxury.

    To my ears, "decadence" means
    Parsifal and Tristan. Not only
    decadent but also obscene.

    Compared to Wagner Scriabin
    was a very healthy person.

    I am not sure about this. I like Wagnerian chunks sans les voices. I even have two Ring cycles I haven't listened to yet.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Oct 13 23:58:46 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:00:32 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 12:48:15 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    The problem is that it’s really expensive to import into the UK,
    they can seemingly randomly decide to impose a duty at the
    border, and if they do, it’s not so much the duty which is
    annoyingly expensive, but the administration charge they
    levy. However the reviews on Amazon.com, even Myron
    Silberstein’s, make me very tempted.

    I would be happy to send you one, wrapped in a brown
    bag marked "birthday gift" or "review copy" or whatever
    you like with a declared value of no more than tu'ppence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk23s4hh8M8

    I can send it to "Poste Restante" so you don't have to
    reveal your address. Please contact me privately.

    Your Scriabin CD just landed. I can send it packed
    inside a book and mark the package as "books --
    exempt from customs duties per international
    postal convention", and mail it at book rate.

    This will not only save some money on shipping
    and avoid custom duties, but also protect the CD .

    Please let me know how to proceed. I would be
    happy to send it "Poste Restante" addressed to
    a post office convenient to you. Please contact
    me privately for details.

    Cheers,

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 14 00:50:58 2022
    I’m enjoying Demidenko’s Scriabin this morning - it’s on a recording with Prokofiev. I like the whole recording very much - the Scriabin and the Visions Fugitives.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Oct 14 01:52:34 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:51:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I’m enjoying Demidenko’s Scriabin this morning - it’s on
    a recording with Prokofiev. I like the whole recording
    very much - the Scriabin and the Visions Fugitives.

    Demidenko is good.

    dk

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Fri Oct 14 07:12:25 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:52:37 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:51:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I’m enjoying Demidenko’s Scriabin this morning - it’s on
    a recording with Prokofiev. I like the whole recording
    very much - the Scriabin and the Visions Fugitives.
    Demidenko is good.

    dk

    Yes, certainly his best recordings are outstanding. Someone informed me that he is now heavily involved in academia.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Fri Oct 14 15:31:16 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 10:12:28 AM UTC-4, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 4:52:37 AM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 12:51:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I’m enjoying Demidenko’s Scriabin this morning - it’s on
    a recording with Prokofiev. I like the whole recording
    very much - the Scriabin and the Visions Fugitives.
    Demidenko is good.

    dk
    Yes, certainly his best recordings are outstanding. Someone informed me that he is now heavily involved in academia.

    Another underrated pianist is Hakon Austbo. Did a survey of his recordings of Scriabin, Grieg, Messiaen, Ravel and Chopin. Very much liked all of them. Full bodied sonority always - generous and skillful pedaling. In the Regards he is the opposite of
    Chamayou with his clear sec archetypical French approach.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Fri Oct 14 18:34:39 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 3:31:18 PM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

    Another underrated pianist is Hakon Austbo.

    Yes.

    Did a survey of his recordings of Scriabin, Grieg, Messiaen,
    Ravel and Chopin. Very much liked all of them. Full bodied
    sonority always - generous and skillful pedaling.

    All outstanding.

    Scandinavian pianists do not get all the notice they deserve.
    Add Matti Raekkalio, Dag Achatz, Izumi Tateno and Ronald
    Pontinen to the liszt. Also Antti Siirala. Why do the Finns
    need so many double consonants?

    dk

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Sat Oct 15 13:50:50 2022
    On Thu, 13 Oct 2022, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 09:12:53 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:35:24 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    The phrase that comes to mind with regards to
    Scriabin, is lurid decadence slathered in deep
    scarlet. Of course, I am referring to his orchestral
    works especially.
    What does "decadence" mean?
    Are you speaking in tongues? ;-)

    As per duckionary,
    decadence = moral or cultural decline as characterized by excessive indulgence in pleasure or luxury.

    To my ears, "decadence" means
    Parsifal and Tristan. Not only
    decadent but also obscene.

    Compared to Wagner Scriabin
    was a very healthy person.

    I am not sure about this. I like Wagnerian chunks sans les voices. I even have two Ring cycles I haven't listened to yet.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    How can purely-instrumental music be dacadent, unless you are indulging
    in extra-musical association?
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Sat Oct 15 17:01:02 2022
    On Sunday, 16 October 2022 at 07:51:02 UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Oct 2022, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 09:12:53 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:35:24 PM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    The phrase that comes to mind with regards to
    Scriabin, is lurid decadence slathered in deep
    scarlet. Of course, I am referring to his orchestral
    works especially.
    What does "decadence" mean?
    Are you speaking in tongues? ;-)

    As per duckionary,
    decadence = moral or cultural decline as characterized by excessive indulgence in pleasure or luxury.

    To my ears, "decadence" means
    Parsifal and Tristan. Not only
    decadent but also obscene.

    Compared to Wagner Scriabin
    was a very healthy person.

    I am not sure about this. I like Wagnerian chunks sans les voices. I even have two Ring cycles I haven't listened to yet.

    Ray Hall, Taree
    How can purely-instrumental music be dacadent, unless you are indulging
    in extra-musical association?
    --
    Al Eisner

    A little bit why some music is used in horror movies, some music is austere, some is happy, some sad. Of course extra-musical association comes into it, by previous association with different types of music.

    "The novel use of semitonal adjacencies gave easy access to (formerly) exotic or recondite harmonies and tonal relations. Ultimately they became commonplace, hence no longer exotic or recondite: the extraordinary, so to speak, became ordinary. And that
    is a fine way of approaching musically the notoriously slippery term and concept of “decadence.”" (author Richard Taruskin.)

    The idea of decadent music – for which read aesthetically inferior, formally flawed, hyper-affective, morally 'bad', enervating, or corrupting in some way – has a long history, and examples of proto-decadent music can be found across cultures and
    historical periods. (Wiki)

    The beginning of the 20th century ushered in a new phase of decadence, with Richard Strauss and Schoenberg creating musical examples.

    For my simple brain, Scriabin can conjure up sleaze, particularly in his orchestral music, where brass instruments especially can conjure up bad excess and use.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 16 11:09:46 2022
    Enjoying Austbø. Very delicate in sonata 2.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 17 02:37:04 2022
    Jonathan Powell complete Scriabin sonatas in concert, 12 November, Oxford (England, not Mississippi.)

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Oct 20 10:34:08 2022
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:09:00 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 9:42:11 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I have a theory about Scriabin pianists in the sonatas.
    You seem to have theories about anything and everything!
    Girls are better than boys.
    Some are, some aren't. It would be rather difficult to argue
    any pianist is "better" than Sofronitsky, Zhukov or Margulis
    in the Scriabin sonatas.
    They get in touch with the voluptuous roundness, the
    moist melon-ness, of the music better than the thrusting
    bucking boys.
    There is a lot more to Scriabin's music than "voluptuous
    roundness"

    Okashiro. Loredo.

    Okashiro is good , and so is Yuki Matsuzawa. Laredo is
    not even in the game at all. Maria Letberg is disapointing

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrIRbytwpAMnQSidTaFY1MAnf_I2jXcS8

    HJ Lim has recorded only 4 and 5, and performed no 10
    live in Dublin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-ztMFCw0g

    They are all superb.

    And then there's Richter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA

    Enjoy!

    dk
    Thanks for these. I like the Lim and I will hear the Matsuzawa soon.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Thu Oct 20 12:07:44 2022
    On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:34:11 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 1:09:00 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 9:42:11 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I have a theory about Scriabin pianists in the sonatas.
    You seem to have theories about anything and everything!
    Girls are better than boys.
    Some are, some aren't. It would be rather difficult to argue
    any pianist is "better" than Sofronitsky, Zhukov or Margulis
    in the Scriabin sonatas.
    They get in touch with the voluptuous roundness, the
    moist melon-ness, of the music better than the thrusting
    bucking boys.
    There is a lot more to Scriabin's music than "voluptuous
    roundness"

    Okashiro. Loredo.

    Okashiro is good , and so is Yuki Matsuzawa. Laredo is
    not even in the game at all. Maria Letberg is disapointing

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrIRbytwpAMnQSidTaFY1MAnf_I2jXcS8

    HJ Lim has recorded only 4 and 5, and performed no 10
    live in Dublin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-ztMFCw0g

    They are all superb.

    And then there's Richter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA

    Thanks for these. I like the Lim and I will hear the Matsuzawa soon.

    AFAIK Matsuzawa has recorded only 3, 4 and 5,
    filling up her recording of the Etudes op. 8. This
    CD tends to spend much time in my Audi. It
    helps improve my mileage by up to 30 mph.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 22 07:12:13 2022
    I have two recordings of Sofronitsky playing the 8th sonata --one runs for 12.38 and the other, a late Scriabin Museum recording, runs for 13.12

    We know he said he rethought how to play Chopin when he was ill -- it looks as though he rethought how to play Scriabin too.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sat Oct 22 12:41:55 2022
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:35:33 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 11:34:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVHyijSAMw&t=254s&ab_channel=JaredRedmond

    I just think that this captures the eroticism of Scriabin's music really well.
    This captures it even better:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v8lejdihkd8uh43/AABa9d6mcmMWwNzGECVjN-c4a?dl=0

    dk

    Tt's very kind of you to have uploaded these, Dan. Do you have a list of tracks for each recording?

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 24 04:43:57 2022
    On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 8:41:57 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:35:33 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 11:34:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVHyijSAMw&t=254s&ab_channel=JaredRedmond

    I just think that this captures the eroticism of Scriabin's music really well.
    This captures it even better:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v8lejdihkd8uh43/AABa9d6mcmMWwNzGECVjN-c4a?dl=0

    dk

    Tt's very kind of you to have uploaded these, Dan. Do you have a list of tracks for each recording?

    And thanks to Dan for putting me on to Yuki Matsuzawa. And not just her Scriabin. I have fallen in love with her Chopin etude op 25/7.I am a Matsuzawa op 27/7 addict, I can die happy. It's so elegant. So intelligent. That Chopopopin rag!

    https://open.spotify.com/track/5Hhft...86a2f423384870

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 24 10:50:45 2022
    On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 12:41:57 PM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:35:33 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 11:34:47 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVHyijSAMw&t=254s&ab_channel=JaredRedmond

    I just think that this captures the eroticism of Scriabin's music really well.
    This captures it even better:

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v8lejdihkd8uh43/AABa9d6mcmMWwNzGECVjN-c4a?dl=0

    Tt's very kind of you to have uploaded these, Dan. Do you have a list of tracks for each recording?

    These are now on YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY

    I will remove my upload.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Nov 1 22:11:25 2022
    On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:44:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I am a Matsuzawa op 27/7 addict, I can die happy.
    It's so elegant. So intelligent. That Chopopopin rag! https://open.spotify.com/track/5Hhft...86a2f423384870

    I can't reach the Spotify URL you posted.

    What is "op 27/7"? Typo? Did you mean
    27/2? Chopin or Boring van Beethoven?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Nov 1 23:22:17 2022
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 2:37:07 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    Jonathan Powell complete Scriabin sonatas in
    concert, 12 November, Oxford (England, not
    Mississippi.)

    You have to be more specific.
    There 26 Oxfords in the US,
    2 in Canada, and one each
    in OZ and NZ.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Nov 1 23:24:07 2022
    On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:44:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    And thanks to Dan for putting me on to Yuki Matsuzawa.
    And not just her Scriabin. I have fallen in love with her
    Chopin etude op 25/7. I am a Matsuzawa op 27/7 addict,
    I can die happy. It's so elegant. So intelligent.

    Glad you like her. I have uploaded Matsuzawa's
    Scriabin Etudes op. 8 and Sonatas 3, 4 and 5:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/ahem3m8zybuers0plmauc/h?dl=0&rlkey=b6hoe8ifvtzx6r9v7p3ax2de3

    I will leave them there for 48 hours.

    Enjoy!

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Nov 1 23:18:58 2022
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:11:28 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:44:00 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    I am a Matsuzawa op 27/7 addict, I can die happy.
    It's so elegant. So intelligent. That Chopopopin rag! https://open.spotify.com/track/5Hhft...86a2f423384870
    I can't reach the Spotify URL you posted.

    What is "op 27/7"? Typo? Did you mean
    27/2? Chopin or Boring van Beethoven?

    I cannot find any reference to Matsuzawa
    having recorded either Beethoven's 27/2
    or Chopin's 27/2. Would you please post
    a link?

    Thanks!

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 07:39:02 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBlfWK9Naso&list=PL7uG3nzjmyOBCNxzsS68YXgIzMXfRMGKu&index=9&ab_channel=ClassicalRarities

    Pletnev, Moscow 2001, Scriabin sonata 4. Worth hearing.

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