1. Forum
  2. Usenet
  3. REC.MUSIC.CLASSICAL.RECOR

  • Chopin-Godowsky waltzes

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 9 23:27:07 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Mon Oct 10 01:51:46 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk

    Codswallop

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 10 02:15:44 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop

    I’ve always liked them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 02:35:38 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.

    Codswallop

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 10 03:38:21 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop

    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 04:39:18 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!

    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 10 10:06:35 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:39:21 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori

    This is a fundamentally different proposition
    from the Godowsky paraphrases. Godowsky
    extended the original on the same instrument.
    He created new textures around the music.

    The organ versions of Chopin's Preludes you
    point to do not create new musical ideas. All
    they do is throw more plumbing at the music.

    It is becoming increasingly obvious that your
    primary interest lies in the mechanical aspects
    of sound production rather than in performance
    and interpretation. Whatever makes one happy
    makes one happy. Enjoy your organs, your BBQ
    kits, and your firewood!

    dk

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 09:56:58 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:38:24 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!

    One would have to expel the
    BENEFRADELUX brigade
    from this newsgroup!

    dk

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 10:35:40 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:28:03 PM UTC-4, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:21 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!
    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori
    I think that these pieces work on the organ. Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces that show off
    the resources of the pipe organ but are really rather shallow in content. I think the instrument really deserves a richer store of greater music than it has.

    I’ll post a YouTube that is quite good IMO.
    (next post)

    Here it is. Rachmaninov’s Corelli played by Jeremy Filsell. He’s skilled and informed, having performed quite a bit of Rach on the piano very well.

    https://youtu.be/8dgwpQaRIkk

    Also on this CD is a very effective transcription of the Symphonic Dances, Preludes and others. All worth hearing. It’s on Spotify.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 10 10:59:22 2022
    Re piano enhancements a la Godowsky, another one which is codswallop, is the Grieg transformation of Mozart's keyboard sonatas into Ukrainian wedding cakes for bourgeois pieces of furniture in bourgeois drawing rooms.

    Busoni's the other one.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 10 10:28:01 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:21 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!
    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori

    I think that these pieces work on the organ. Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces that show off the
    resources of the pipe organ but are really rather shallow in content. I think the instrument really deserves a richer store of greater music than it has.

    I’ll post a YouTube that is quite good IMO.
    (next post)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 10 11:10:57 2022
    As far as I know, I am the only person in the whole world who loves Hopkinson Smiths lute performances of the Bach cello suites -- he adds some notes like Godowsky and Grieg and Busoni, but I think the result is very tasteful. This sort of thing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=decyF0YabOk&ab_channel=MyClassicalPlaylists

    What I hear is purified, fluid, and beautifully understated. He somehow finds a feeling of childlike innocence in the music. I wish more cellists would play them like that. The instrument he uses for these suites is special, a theorbo which is very
    discrete and subtle lower notes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 11:13:55 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:28:03 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:21 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!
    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori
    I think that these pieces work on the organ. Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces that show off
    the resources of the pipe organ but are really rather shallow in content. I think the instrument really deserves a richer store of greater music than it has.

    I’ll post a YouTube that is quite good IMO.
    (next post)


    Yes, when I heard it I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the Messori -- but I shouldn't have been, he's a good musician.

    But really what I want to say is that there's a lot of fine organ music, not superficial fanfares, before Bach. But this is maybe not the right thread for that discussion.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to dagdern@gmail.com on Mon Oct 10 17:48:38 2022
    In article <4256c482-e011-4805-a79c-230791a002acn@googlegroups.com>,
    JohnGavin <dagdern@gmail.com> wrote:
    Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because
    outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only
    a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces
    that show off the resources of the pipe organ but are really rather
    shallow in content.

    Tournemire belongs on any short list for organ music.

    There's also Sorabji's ultra-virtuosic organ music....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 11:31:52 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:32 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    Re piano enhancements a la Godowsky, another one which is codswallop, is the Grieg transformation of Mozart's keyboard sonatas into Ukrainian wedding cakes for bourgeois pieces of furniture in bourgeois drawing rooms.

    Busoni's the other one.
    My view differs. While Godowsky can’t be taken as a great composer, he was a great piano stylist with a highly original conception of sound, counterpoint and sonority. Among his original works his Triakontameron, Java Suite, and Sonata in E Minor are
    works I have returned to many times. His Elegy for left hand is an unusually deep work which Bolet played frequently. Ditto his Etude Macabre. I’ve also returned to his Passacaglia often over the years. Again, his arrangements rub purists the wrong way.
    I think they’re fun to hear every so often. His version of the famous Schubert Moment Musicale in F Minor, which he moved up to F# Minor is a hoot! I love it.

    Thanks, I'll listen to those pieces.

    What's kind of interesting is that his own recorded performances of the Chopin nocturnes are so stripped down, like minimal embellishments. He was like a proto-Rubinstein.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 10 11:27:29 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    Re piano enhancements a la Godowsky, another one which is codswallop, is the Grieg transformation of Mozart's keyboard sonatas into Ukrainian wedding cakes for bourgeois pieces of furniture in bourgeois drawing rooms.

    Busoni's the other one.

    My view differs. While Godowsky can’t be taken as a great composer, he was a great piano stylist with a highly original conception of sound, counterpoint and sonority. Among his original works his Triakontameron, Java Suite, and Sonata in E Minor are
    works I have returned to many times. His Elegy for left hand is an unusually deep work which Bolet played frequently. Ditto his Etude Macabre. I’ve also returned to his Passacaglia often over the years. Again, his arrangements rub purists the wrong
    way. I think they’re fun to hear every so often. His version of the famous Schubert Moment Musicale in F Minor, which he moved up to F# Minor is a hoot! I love it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Mon Oct 10 11:15:29 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-4, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <4256c482-e011-4805...@googlegroups.com>,
    JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because
    outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only
    a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces
    that show off the resources of the pipe organ but are really rather >shallow in content.
    Tournemire belongs on any short list for organ music.

    I have indeed enjoyed L’Orgue Mystique especially when preceded by the chants each improv is based on.

    Just curious, do you enjoy Sorabji’s organ music?
    I know Kevin Boyer’s recording.


    There's also Sorabji's ultra-virtuosic organ music....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 11:33:17 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:27:32 PM UTC-4, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    Re piano enhancements a la Godowsky, another one which is codswallop, is the Grieg transformation of Mozart's keyboard sonatas into Ukrainian wedding cakes for bourgeois pieces of furniture in bourgeois drawing rooms.

    Busoni's the other one.
    My view differs. While Godowsky can’t be taken as a great composer, he was a great piano stylist with a highly original conception of sound, counterpoint and sonority. Among his original works his Triakontameron, Java Suite, and Sonata in E Minor are
    works I have returned to many times. His Elegy for left hand is an unusually deep work which Bolet played frequently. Ditto his Etude Macabre. I’ve also returned to his Passacaglia often over the years. Again, his arrangements rub purists the wrong way.
    I think they’re fun to hear every so often. His version of the famous Schubert Moment Musicale in F Minor, which he moved up to F# Minor is a hoot! I love it.

    I forgot his 4 Metamorphases on Strauss waltzes. Lots of notable virtuosi recorded them, including Bolet, Freire, Cherkassky, Hamelin - even Leon Fleisher recorded the Gypsy Baron paraphrase. (To those who say “Hamelin is no Fleisher, I will say
    based on this recording “Fleisher is no Hamelin”)😇

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 10 11:38:58 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:13:58 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:28:03 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:21 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!
    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori
    I think that these pieces work on the organ. Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces that show off
    the resources of the pipe organ but are really rather shallow in content. I think the instrument really deserves a richer store of greater music than it has.

    I’ll post a YouTube that is quite good IMO.
    (next post)
    Yes, when I heard it I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the Messori -- but I shouldn't have been, he's a good musician.

    But really what I want to say is that there's a lot of fine organ music, not superficial fanfares, before Bach. But this is maybe not the right thread for that discussion.


    I’ll just say regarding this and I’ve tried many many times to appreciate Buxtehude’s organ music, but it continually strikes me as a kind of pale version of JS Bach. It’s certainly listenable and pleasant but just not on the same level to my
    ears. But I will give it another chance and probably another one after that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 10 11:42:01 2022
    Another one I'd like to explore some more, I think he does enhancements of existing music, is Uri Caine. This sort of thing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATI56qr5vUI&ab_channel=UriCaine-Topic

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Mon Oct 10 11:46:31 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:01 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:13:58 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:28:03 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:21 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!
    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori
    I think that these pieces work on the organ. Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces that show
    off the resources of the pipe organ but are really rather shallow in content. I think the instrument really deserves a richer store of greater music than it has.

    I’ll post a YouTube that is quite good IMO.
    (next post)
    Yes, when I heard it I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the Messori -- but I shouldn't have been, he's a good musician.

    But really what I want to say is that there's a lot of fine organ music, not superficial fanfares, before Bach. But this is maybe not the right thread for that discussion.
    I’ll just say regarding this and I’ve tried many many times to appreciate Buxtehude’s organ music, but it continually strikes me as a kind of pale version of JS Bach. It’s certainly listenable and pleasant but just not on the same level to my
    ears. But I will give it another chance and probably another one after that.


    I'm not a great fan of Buxtehude, though I thought that Hans Davidson gave his music a perspective which was more interesting to me. When I made that comment I was thinking of Bull, Titelouze, Sweelinck, Peter Philips, Byrd, Frescobaldi, Trebaci, Georg
    Bohm, Grigny, Louis Couperin, Froberger, Hassler . . . . . and many many others.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 10 11:43:31 2022
    And I'm forgetting one o my favourite composers of reworkings -- Bernhard Lang. This sort of thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLcB8Z6npUA&t=1419s&ab_channel=belanna000

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to howie.stone01@gmail.com on Mon Oct 10 18:45:02 2022
    In article <6db920f8-d5a9-48b1-a8fe-cc7c5ed604cen@googlegroups.com>,
    Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
    Another one I'd like to explore some more, I think he does
    enhancements of existing music, is Uri Caine.

    I tried to bring Uri Caine into the group a couple of years ago,
    especially his work with early 20th century music, but (as usual)
    no one seemed interested....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to dagdern@gmail.com on Mon Oct 10 18:20:07 2022
    In article <fae3c207-d9b8-4879-a1b8-e2058123fe53n@googlegroups.com>,
    JohnGavin <dagdern@gmail.com> wrote:
    Just curious, do you enjoy Sorabji's organ music?

    I had a pretty long "Sorabji phase," now long passed.... It's "big"
    music with a lot of counterpoint, and Sorabji does conjure distinctive harmonies e.g. in slow sections as well. I don't know that it makes
    it to the level of the greatest music though.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Oct 10 15:32:21 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:01 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:13:58 PM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:28:03 PM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:39:21 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:35:40 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:15:46 AM UTC+1, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:51:49 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:27:10 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNhOamrjjI

    Not as well known as the Etudes, or
    as convincing. Worth a listen or two.

    dk
    Codswallop
    I’ve always liked them.
    Codswallop
    Let’s finally get rid of puritanism in classical music!!!
    What do you think of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMehZufbyo&ab_channel=MatteoMessori
    I think that these pieces work on the organ. Also, the organ repertoire can use good transcriptions because outside of Bach, Cesar Franck, Maurice Durufle Messiaen and only a few others, the repertoire is filled with fanfare type pieces that show
    off the resources of the pipe organ but are really rather shallow in content. I think the instrument really deserves a richer store of greater music than it has.

    I’ll post a YouTube that is quite good IMO.
    (next post)
    Yes, when I heard it I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the Messori -- but I shouldn't have been, he's a good musician.

    But really what I want to say is that there's a lot of fine organ music, not superficial fanfares, before Bach. But this is maybe not the right thread for that discussion.
    I’ll just say regarding this and I’ve tried many many times to appreciate Buxtehude’s organ music, but it continually strikes me as a kind of pale version of JS Bach. It’s certainly listenable and pleasant but just not on the same level to my
    ears. But I will give it another chance and probably another one after that.
    I'm not a great fan of Buxtehude, though I thought that Hans Davidson gave his music a perspective which was more interesting to me. When I made that comment I was thinking of Bull, Titelouze, Sweelinck, Peter Philips, Byrd, Frescobaldi, Trebaci, Georg
    Bohm, Grigny, Louis Couperin, Froberger, Hassler . . . . . and many many others.

    Yes, I know most of the above more through harpsichord recordings. Several of these composers are included in the Fitzwilliam virginal book collection. They did indeed write some wonderful music.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)