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  • A very lisztenable Liszt recital!

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 04:47:45 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzJwnFzkN4

    Fresh from the 2022 Utrecht Liszt competition.
    Henk, do you follow this competition?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Sat Oct 1 06:05:08 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:54:08 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op zaterdag 1 oktober 2022 om 13:47:48 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzJwnFzkN4

    Fresh from the 2022 Utrecht Liszt competition.
    Henk, do you follow this competition?

    From a distance. The quality of the candidates isn't
    very high. Probably because they aren't allowed to
    play the repertoire they learned at school. I stopped
    following it live.

    Watching YT is more convenient.

    This year's Schubert/Liszt program made me follow
    the competition more closely online. Except for the
    < Wanderer, in whatever version, even mediocre
    interpretations are easy to listen to.

    The orchestrated Wanderer is a really bad idea.

    Kuroki is far from mediocre. She has a beautiful tone
    and knows how to play a melody, even on a Fazioli.

    Kuroki is very good. Is there any reason you dislike
    Faziolis?

    From the commentators I got the impression that
    the banger Derek Wang would be the winner, but
    they were wrong. Even the jury must have been
    better than in other years.

    Apparently.

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 05:54:06 2022
    Op zaterdag 1 oktober 2022 om 13:47:48 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzJwnFzkN4

    Fresh from the 2022 Utrecht Liszt competition.
    Henk, do you follow this competition?

    From a distance. The quality of the candidates isn't very high. Probably because they aren't allowed to play the repertoire they learned at school. I stopped following it live.

    This year's Schubert/Liszt program made me follow the competition more closely online. Except for the Wanderer, in whatever version, even mediocre interpretations are easy to listen to.

    Kuroki is far from mediocre. She has a beautiful tone and knows how to play a melody, even on a Fazioli. From the commentators I got the impression that the banger Derek Wang would be the winner, but they were wrong. Even the jury must have been better
    than in other years.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Oct 1 06:06:27 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 6:05:11 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:54:08 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op zaterdag 1 oktober 2022 om 13:47:48 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzJwnFzkN4

    Fresh from the 2022 Utrecht Liszt competition.
    Henk, do you follow this competition?

    From a distance. The quality of the candidates isn't
    very high. Probably because they aren't allowed to
    play the repertoire they learned at school. I stopped
    following it live.
    Watching YT is more convenient.
    This year's Schubert/Liszt program made me follow
    the competition more closely online. Except for the
    < Wanderer, in whatever version, even mediocre
    interpretations are easy to listen to.
    The orchestrated Wanderer is a really bad idea.
    Kuroki is far from mediocre. She has a beautiful tone
    and knows how to play a melody, even on a Fazioli.
    Kuroki is very good. Is there any reason you dislike
    Faziolis?
    From the commentators I got the impression that
    the banger Derek Wang would be the winner, but
    they were wrong. Even the jury must have been
    better than in other years.
    Apparently.

    Curiously, the prize winners are exactly CKJ.

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 07:12:06 2022
    Kuroki is very good. Is there any reason you dislike
    Faziolis?

    The metallic sound of the piano, in the high notes, makes it difficult to play a melody naturally. Not all Faziolis sound as metallic as the one in Utrecht.

    Henk

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  • From barny02@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Sat Oct 1 08:52:26 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:12:09 PM UTC+2, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Kuroki is very good. Is there any reason you dislike
    Faziolis?
    The metallic sound of the piano, in the high notes, makes it difficult to play a melody naturally. Not all Faziolis sound as metallic as the one in Utrecht.

    Henk

    Wow, what a talent. She got everything to challenge 'Gucci' Wang, but not with this outfit.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to barn...@yahoo.com on Sat Oct 1 16:53:05 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:52:28 AM UTC-7, barn...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:12:09 PM UTC+2, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Kuroki is very good. Is there any reason you dislike
    Faziolis?
    The metallic sound of the piano, in the high notes,
    makes it difficult to play a melody naturally. Not all
    Faziolis sound as metallic as the one in Utrecht.

    Wow, what a talent. She got everything to
    challenge 'Gucci' Wang, but not with this
    outfit.

    La Wang does not wear Fazioli! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Sat Oct 1 16:55:27 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 7:12:09 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Kuroki is very good. Is there any reason you dislike
    Faziolis?

    The metallic sound of the piano, in the high notes,
    makes it difficult to play a melody naturally. Not all
    Faziolis sound as metallic as the one in Utrecht.

    Faziolis don't usually sound metallic, certainly not
    as metallic as most Steinways. One wonders if
    this might be an artifact of mike placement and
    the transmission chain for remote listeners.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Oct 1 18:10:01 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    I find the Liszt Utrecht competition quite interesting.
    Unlike other piano competitions that practically force,
    if not explicitly mandate, all competitors to perform a
    small number of the most commonly performed works
    of the competition's eponymous composer, this one
    encourages competitors to perform a wide range of
    less known works, highlighting musicianship over
    technical legerdemain. It is so refreshing to hear
    entire Liszt competition programs without any
    Treifscendentals on display!

    Very rarely heard reperotire such as this:

    https://youtu.be/DaQ2cwUo_LI?t=1470

    The later, quieter Liszt works show surprising
    (or perhaps not) hints of Scriabin's harmonic
    vocabulary.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 18:05:29 2022
    I find the Liszt Utrecht competition quite interesting.
    Unlike other piano competitions that practically force,
    if not explicitly mandate, all competitors to perform a
    small number of the most commonly performed works
    of the competition's eponymous composer, this one
    encourages competitors to perform a wide range of
    less known works, highlighting musicianship over
    technical legerdemain. It is so refreshing to hear
    entire Liszt competition programs without any
    Treifscendentals on display!

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 2 05:46:24 2022
    It is so refreshing to hear
    entire Liszt competition programs without any
    Treifscendentals on display!

    The competition is organized around themes. Verdi transcriptions, for example. We also had the études as a theme, with an obligatory Feux Follets. For one of the intended judges, this was a reason not to come. According to him, this choice favoured
    candidates with the right physiology.

    I agree that Steinways (can) sound even more metallic. The difference is that the continuity between bass and treble is ensured in mostof them - and is lacking in Faziolis, at least in Kuroki's Fazioli, imho.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Sun Oct 2 06:00:39 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 5:46:27 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    It is so refreshing to hear
    entire Liszt competition programs without any
    Treifscendentals on display!

    The competition is organized around themes. Verdi
    transcriptions, for example. We also had the études
    as a theme, with an obligatory Feux Follets. For one
    of the intended judges, this was a reason not to come.
    According to him, this choice favoured candidates with
    the right physiology.

    Did the Utrecht competition ever require a Beethoven
    symphony transcription?

    I agree that Steinways (can) sound even more metallic.
    The difference is that the continuity between bass and
    treble is ensured in mostof them - and is lacking in Faziolis,
    at least in Kuroki's Fazioli, imho.

    I find this quite surprising, and inconsistent with my own
    experience. Most Stoneways I heard had three distinct
    differently sounding registers. This can be a blessing
    or a curse depending on one's ears and use cases. in
    the right and left hands it can facilitate creating the
    "3 hands" impression -- which works great for Liszt
    and Schumann. It can also sabotage works that
    require more uniform textures across the range.

    From the instruments I heard, Bechsteins and
    Bluthners typically had the most unifrom sound
    from top to bottom.

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 2 08:02:45 2022
    Did the Utrecht competition ever require a Beethoven
    symphony transcription?

    Not yet. Wang played this year the 4th movement of the seventh symphony. He did it with so much gusto that even the members of the orchestra couldn't help smiling. BTW, I cannot find it on YT.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Sun Oct 2 08:14:40 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 8:02:48 AM UTC-7, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Did the Utrecht competition ever require a Beethoven
    symphony transcription?

    Not yet. Wang played this year the 4th movement
    of the seventh symphony. He did it with so much
    gusto that even the members of the orchestra
    couldn't help smiling. BTW, I cannot find it on YT.

    If it wasn't the real La Wang it doesn't matter! ;-)

    dk

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