On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though, The
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track mindsglugging on music like chocoloate.
They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.of (but how / where?). As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
Personally I'm neither really ageing nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF would like to get rid
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
Personally I'm neither really ageing
nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF >would like to get rid of (but how / where?). As time ages
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track mindsglugging on music like chocoloate.
They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.of (but how / where?). As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
Personally I'm neither really ageing nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF would like to get rid
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:life...
As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.
I’ve been feeling exactly the same way recently.
Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.
Just my observation – the wisest people in history have all realized that one of the greatest blessings is to realize that simplifying life and eliminating nonessentials are one of the most important things towards discovering the true purpose of
I still think I'd rather be rich.
On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 10:24:23 UTC+10, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremecist. To be fair, though,
except perhaps "Shut up" or "Go away". The exceptions are fifteen year old girls who need to know who's 'in' and who's 'out' as their position in the high school pecking order depends on knowing such things.
All are safe refuges from the insanity of Murdoch inspired crap, or Fox whatever guise they go under trash of unreality.
Maybe people don't talk about new 'albums' these days because there's less and less to talk about when compared to the Golden Age of the Top Forty in the 1960s and 1970s. There's only so much you can say about Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and Adele,
Boccherini' and what the original CD was called - e.g. "18th Century Cello Concertos" - is irrelevant. The only exceptions are recordings of music by different composers which the producer of the CD intended to be played together to bring out a certain
Of course it does. Some of their idols might even look good too. Cannot speak for their music though.
Meanwhile, I often surprise people that generaly speaking, my own collection does not contain 'albums'. That is because it is almost entirely digital, and the Haydn goes into a folder called Haydn and the Boccherini goes into a folder called '
is worthy of inclusion in The Gramophone's list of Orchestras of the Year, while the NY Phil is not.
Sabine Devieilhe ??. Never heard of her. Also if you have never searched for, in the 3D reality of brix and stuff, and held up in your sticky little mitt a prized sleek new Supraphon LP, you have never lived.
How many people here are interested in Sabine Devieilhe and the Sinfonia of London - adjudged a 'pick up band' by Big Dave - is an interesting question. Or why the Pittsburg orchestra, recorded by what I guess is an independent label in California,
whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.
Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so hot,
"drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.
If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless. If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all. The Babe rules. Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920. The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the only
Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if
Ray Hall, Taree
I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead of
On 9/28/2022 9:38 PM, Frank Berger wrote:hot, whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.
On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so
drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.
If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless. If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all. The Babe rules. Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920. The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the only "
Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if Judge
Ray Hall, Taree
I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead of
I forgot to mention that aside from winning the triple crown (if he does), his greatest accomplishment is tying Ruth for 60 home runs in 154 games.
On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 07:36:22 UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:hot, whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.
On 9/28/2022 9:38 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so
drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.
If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless. If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all. The Babe rules. Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920. The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the only "
Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if Judge
Ray Hall, Taree
I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead of
I forgot to mention that aside from winning the triple crown (if he does), his greatest accomplishment is tying Ruth for 60 home runs in 154 games.
True. Also Ruth was a giant of a legend, and was an ace pitcher to boot which people often forget. I think Ruth stood out more in his time, which is not to demean Judge.
Ray Hall, Taree
On 9/29/2022 9:09 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:hot, whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.
On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 07:36:22 UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
On 9/28/2022 9:38 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so
only "drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.
If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless. If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all. The Babe rules. Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920. The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the
of Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if
Ray Hall, Taree
I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead
I forgot to mention that aside from winning the triple crown (if he does), his greatest accomplishment is tying Ruth for 60 home runs in 154 games.
True. Also Ruth was a giant of a legend, and was an ace pitcher to boot which people often forget. I think Ruth stood out more in his time, which is not to demean Judge.
Ray Hall, Taree
The House that Judge built does not have a ring to it.
Speaking of Ruth, Ohtani has a no-hitter going through 6 innings. Crap. Now I've jinxed him.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:was just yesterday!
Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.
Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:was just yesterday!
Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:remember finding Nonesuch LPs in bins, but that was 50 years ago, and that while I do like exploring old repertoire as much as the next man, I prefer to hear it performed by the current generation of conductors, with or without historic instruments.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
Well, gggg (or may I call you gggg?) we seem to have stirred a bit of a hornet's nest here, and i must say prospects for the recording industry are not bright, if this lot are representative of the record-buying public. I should mention that I dohttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
I am flabbergasted to read that the Sage of Taree has not heard of Mme Devieilhe, a marvellous coloratura regarded in France as the successor to the great Natalie Dessaye. I am not at all surprised to find the topic drifting to baseball at aconsiderable rate of knots ...
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 00:27:11 UTC+10, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:remember finding Nonesuch LPs in bins, but that was 50 years ago, and that while I do like exploring old repertoire as much as the next man, I prefer to hear it performed by the current generation of conductors, with or without historic instruments.
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
Well, gggg (or may I call you gggg?) we seem to have stirred a bit of a hornet's nest here, and i must say prospects for the recording industry are not bright, if this lot are representative of the record-buying public. I should mention that I dohttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
considerable rate of knots ...I am flabbergasted to read that the Sage of Taree has not heard of Mme Devieilhe, a marvellous coloratura regarded in France as the successor to the great Natalie Dessaye. I am not at all surprised to find the topic drifting to baseball at a
besides which I am driven by repertoire, much much more than worrying about which artist is playing. Repertoire comes first for me, artist consideration comes next. Always.Andrew ClarkeAges ia as about as close to sage as I will ever get. I am sure Mme Devieilhe is a wonderful singer (as evidenced by the clips above), but my self prescribed music world is fairly set. My CD collection is also well stocked in enough Mahler 4ths, and
Canberra
Ray Hall, Taree
I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead of Mantle in1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if Judge isn't MVP the fix
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
\else here subscribe to that excellent service, at least when the World Series isn't on?
So far as I can see, France and the UK are making all the running these days, with gallant little Belgium not too far behind. I wonder if the Berlin Phil will ever issue new CDs? With its Digital Concert Hall, it really doesn't need to. Does anybody
On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:16:45 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:else here subscribe to that excellent service, at least when the World Series isn't on?
\
So far as I can see, France and the UK are making all the running these days, with gallant little Belgium not too far behind. I wonder if the Berlin Phil will ever issue new CDs? With its Digital Concert Hall, it really doesn't need to. Does anybody
I don't do the Berlin Phil Concert Hall, nor do I any of these other services, which (in my view) makes for a fast food-like music consumption. Couple of minutes of this, couple of minutes of that...
Ray Hall, Taree
Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :
Andrew ClarkeAnd WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
Canberra
and I'm older than Frank Berger
I am 78...
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
and I'm older than Frank Berger
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
and I'm older than Frank Berger
And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
I am 78...
3. Maybe Gramophone likes to diss the American establshment.
"MELMOTH" wrote in message news:63385c53$0$3011$426a...@news.free.fr... Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
and I'm older than Frank Berger
And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...84
I am 78...
Ed Presson
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:22:35 AM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:nation wide?
3. Maybe Gramophone likes to diss the American establshment.
I've never heard of The Gramophone dissing anybody's musical establishment. *Is* there an American musical establishment, given that musical life stateside is not centralised in one particular city (e.g. London) but is distributed in major cities
Incidentally, if you look at The Gramophone's Records of the Month, you will find appreciative reviews of recordings made all over Europe, where it's all happening.
Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :
and I'm older than Frank Berger
And WHO is the oldest in this
forum ?...I ask the questuon...
I am 78...
On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 8:32:24 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:nation wide?
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:22:35 AM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote: >>
3. Maybe Gramophone likes to diss the American establshment.
I've never heard of The Gramophone dissing anybody's musical establishment. *Is* there an American musical establishment, given that musical life stateside is not centralised in one particular city (e.g. London) but is distributed in major cities
You seem to harbor the misconception that people here look first before opining.
Incidentally, if you look at The Gramophone's Records of the Month, you will find appreciative reviews of recordings made all over Europe, where it's all happening.
I'd say parts of USA musical life concentrates in unexpected places, too, usually near universities. So, for instance, in Ann Arbor, Michigan, there is a counterintuitive number of composers, violin makers and a very nice chamber music venue.
In New England there are nooks and crannies where everybody and his dog are playing on superb harpsichords, the cold notwithstanding.
On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 7:38:00 AM UTC+11, Ed Presson wrote:
"MELMOTH" wrote in message news:63385c53$0$3011$426a...@news.free.fr...
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Andrew Clarke84
Canberra
and I'm older than Frank Berger
And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
I am 78...
Ed Presson
I'm 76. Incidentally, The Big D is a comparative youngster at 61: he just *sounds* 90.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
I'm 78. It's really weird being the same age as old people!
The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music
On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:27:19 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :
and I'm older than Frank Berger
And WHO is the oldest in thisI am going on 17!
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On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 9:30:17 PM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:27:19 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
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I am 18 going on 19, I'll .... take care ... of you!And WHO is the oldest in thisI am going on 17!
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It's a sobering thought that the man who wrote "Manhattan" finished up writing "The Sound of Music". There's the ravages of old age for you.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:was just yesterday!
Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.
Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
On Fri, 30 Sep 2022, Paul Alsing wrote:was just yesterday!
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.
Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
Given where it winds up, toilet paper is a horribly pessimistic
analog to life. As for toilet paper rolls, do "nost folks" really
believe the grossly-wrong assumption you mention?
--
Al Eisner
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com>The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
wrote:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?: >> > >Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music
In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are
using, or what they would do if they were buying another player.
In article <b796f0c0-0ed3-4cb9...googlegroups.com>,
raymond....gmail.com <raymond....gmail.com> wrote:
In fact it would be nice to know what players others here areGot an old computer?
using, or what they would do if they were buying another player.
CD players are readily available as computer hardware, and they're
cheap. But then you need something to control it, i.e. press play,
etc. (Some people use a cheap computer like a raspberry Pi for
something like this.) I guess you didn't like this thought the
last time I shared it, though.
On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
minds glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track
to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-musicI am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of Vivaldi
However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves wereobsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highly
In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.
Ray Hall, Taree
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:though, The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair,
minds glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track
to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-musicI am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of Vivaldi
obsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highlyHowever, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were
1 x coax plug and a Bluetooth receiver as inputs. For streaming TV, I use a Google Chromecast feeding the TV via an HTML splitter which sends the audio to the amp via an optical cable - again avoiding the TV sound system - and the video to the TV. ForIn fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.
Ray Hall, TareeA BluRay or DVD player will also play CDs. I use a Sony BPD BluRay because it has a separate coaxial audio output which means that the audio avoids my TV set and goes straight into my amplifier. This is a Denon that has RCA plugs / 2 x optical plugs /
Sadly, the Sony isn't gapless when playing AAC files: it may or may not be gapless when playing CDs. Gaps are removed from the digital file using the free version of Audacity. Media Monkey isn't absolutely gapless, but the gap is so slight I don'tnotice it.
I also have an El Cheapo MS Windows laptop which is mostly used as a portable TV set, using Bluetooth for audio or else a Dragonfly headphone amp and Sennhauser wired headphones. Ripped DVDs are stored in a 2 Tb hard drive stuck to the lid with double-sided tape. Streaming TV is not a problem - using the browser, not apps - and if i need a bigger screen I just connect it to our second TV with an HDMI cable.
As previously reported, I stopped buying CDs years ago, except at charity shops. The rest of the time it's downloads. DVDs get ripped using Winx software on my desktop. Op shop CDs get ripped with dBpoweramp.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I
am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a
bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now
defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were obsolete 5 or more
years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured
things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can
one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what
are the options? A highly priced high end CD player?
In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using,
or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in
advance.
On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?: >>>>>>Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music
I am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of Vivaldi
However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves wereobsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highly
In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.
Ray Hall, Taree
On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 22:41:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:though, The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair,
minds glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track
Vivaldi to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-musicI am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of
obsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highlyHowever, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were
1 x coax plug and a Bluetooth receiver as inputs. For streaming TV, I use a Google Chromecast feeding the TV via an HTML splitter which sends the audio to the amp via an optical cable - again avoiding the TV sound system - and the video to the TV. ForIn fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.
Ray Hall, TareeA BluRay or DVD player will also play CDs. I use a Sony BPD BluRay because it has a separate coaxial audio output which means that the audio avoids my TV set and goes straight into my amplifier. This is a Denon that has RCA plugs / 2 x optical plugs /
notice it.Sadly, the Sony isn't gapless when playing AAC files: it may or may not be gapless when playing CDs. Gaps are removed from the digital file using the free version of Audacity. Media Monkey isn't absolutely gapless, but the gap is so slight I don't
double-sided tape. Streaming TV is not a problem - using the browser, not apps - and if i need a bigger screen I just connect it to our second TV with an HDMI cable.I also have an El Cheapo MS Windows laptop which is mostly used as a portable TV set, using Bluetooth for audio or else a Dragonfly headphone amp and Sennhauser wired headphones. Ripped DVDs are stored in a 2 Tb hard drive stuck to the lid with
and in the end I am more or less resigned to getting a Denon CD player. My other system uses Yamaha equipment. As I don't use the TV much other than for movies on SBS, I can get by without worrying about video options. I don't stream either, so am sparedAs previously reported, I stopped buying CDs years ago, except at charity shops. The rest of the time it's downloads. DVDs get ripped using Winx software on my desktop. Op shop CDs get ripped with dBpoweramp.
Andrew ClarkeI have just acquired a Denon amp. that only has RCA inputs so this leaves me with fewer options. An external DAC or rely on a cheapo player with a crappy internal DAC? Then of course control of the player, and track readout. It all becomes very messy
Canberra
I use YouTube mostly for info and sampling of music, and don't use video for real listening. In another world I'd rethink how I got to this state, but I am not complaining.
You seem to have embraced a newer world, but I will still hold by my CDs.
Ray Hall, Taree
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:40:17 AM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:converts from coax to RCA.
On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 22:41:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
We have now reached the stage where it's a lot easier to buy a turntable for vinyl than it is to buy a CD player ...
I still have in my odds and ends boxes a small but adequate external DAC, I think from Lindy, that plugs into a computer's USB socket. It has RCA outputs. I don't know if these are still available. Or you might be able to buy online something that
At the other end of the financial spectrum, there is, of course, Sonos ...
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
raymond....@gmail.com a exposé le 04/10/2022 :
I ended up splurging for a Denon player, simply because there is always an unknown factor about buying an online DAC, then there is the conversion cable3 years ago I bought the Marantz 6006 CD player, of which I only use
which is easy enough to get online. I suspect the Denon amp (on its way also)
was a fsir bit cheaper simply because of RCA only inputs.
the playback part (and the USB output), connected by optical cable to
my Audiomat DAC...It cost 350 euros...Nowadays, it can only be found at...1500 euros !...
3 years ago I bought the Marantz 6006 CD player, of which I only use
the playback part (and the USB output), connected by optical cable to
my Audiomat DAC...It cost 350 euros...Nowadays, it can only be found at...1500 euros !...
On Tuesday, 4 October 2022 at 10:38:36 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:converts from coax to RCA.
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:40:17 AM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 22:41:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
We have now reached the stage where it's a lot easier to buy a turntable for vinyl than it is to buy a CD player ...
I still have in my odds and ends boxes a small but adequate external DAC, I think from Lindy, that plugs into a computer's USB socket. It has RCA outputs. I don't know if these are still available. Or you might be able to buy online something that
cheaper simply because of RCA only inputs. Nearly everything is HDMI these days, or optical (which I have never used). Checking inputs and outputs of equipment these days can be tricky, especially as BluRays and DVDs cater primarily for video connections.At the other end of the financial spectrum, there is, of course, Sonos ...
Andrew ClarkeI ended up splurging for a Denon player, simply because there is always an unknown factor about buying an online DAC, then there is the conversion cable which is easy enough to get online. I suspect the Denon amp (on its way also) was a fsir bit
Canberra
And yes, it is much easier to buy a turntable, which is stupid when you think about it.
Ray Hall, Taree
I ended up splurging for a Denon player, simply because there is always an unknown factor about buying an online DAC, then there is the conversion cable which is easy enough to get online. I suspect the Denon amp (on its way also) was a fsir bit cheaper simply because of RCA only inputs.
We'll all have to become Qobuzards ...
In article <2ee3114c-4ce5-4651...@googlegroups.com>,
Andrew Clarke <andrewc...@gmail.com> wrote:
We'll all have to become Qobuzards ...Or just play CDs off a computer drive... really an easy thing to
do....
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 9:17:22 AM UTC+2, MELMOTH wrote:
3 years ago I bought the Marantz 6006 CD player, of which I only useOne google search yields a 350 euro price for the marantz 6006 today, so don't give up your day job.
the playback part (and the USB output), connected by optical cable to
my Audiomat DAC...It cost 350 euros...Nowadays, it can only be found at...1500 euros !...
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:
Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-musicDoes that also apply to listeners of classical music?
Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
glugging on music like chocoloate.The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
rid of (but how / where?). As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.
Personally I'm neither really ageing nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF would like to get
As one gets older, doesn't the thrill of discovery begin to yield to the pleasure of rediscovery?
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