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    From Herman@21:1/5 to andrewc...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 00:40:02 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though, The
    Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    Personally I'm neither really ageing nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF would like to get rid
    of (but how / where?). As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Sep 29 00:44:43 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 9:40:05 AM UTC+2, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    Personally I'm neither really ageing nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF would like to get rid
    of (but how / where?). As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.

    I mean the whol spotify and / or ripping thing, i.e. dumping the material artifact and delivering one's musical collection straight into the hands of big tech.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Sep 29 09:08:15 2022
    On 9/29/2022 3:40 AM, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.


    They found a few people like that exaggerated into an article.

    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.


    Yes, and thousands, no millions, of people are returning to vinyl. I read it in an article, so it must be true. No wonder CD sales are down. Nothing to do with streaming. It's the wholesale shift to vinyl.



    Personally I'm neither really ageing

    That sounds unlikely.


    nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF >would like to get rid of (but how / where?). As time ages

    Time doesn't age. You do.


    I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Sep 29 07:35:11 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    Personally I'm neither really ageing nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF would like to get rid
    of (but how / where?). As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.

    As one gets older, doesn't the thrill of discovery begin to yield to the pleasure of rediscovery?

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Sep 29 07:40:46 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:

    As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.

    I’ve been feeling exactly the same way recently.

    Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.

    Just my observation – the wisest people in history have all realized that one of the greatest blessings is to realize that simplifying life and eliminating nonessentials are one of the most important things towards discovering the true purpose of life.

    By the way as an aside it was a revelation to discover that CDs are not easily recyclable.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Thu Sep 29 07:46:04 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:

    As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.
    I’ve been feeling exactly the same way recently.

    Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.

    Just my observation – the wisest people in history have all realized that one of the greatest blessings is to realize that simplifying life and eliminating nonessentials are one of the most important things towards discovering the true purpose of
    life...

    I still think I'd rather be rich.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Sep 29 08:23:50 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:46:07 PM UTC+2, gggg gggg wrote:


    I still think I'd rather be rich.

    Well, that's going to happen anytime, with your posting links on msuic and wine groups.
    Just wait and see.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Thu Sep 29 17:36:13 2022
    On 9/28/2022 9:38 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 10:24:23 UTC+10, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:

    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremecist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    All are safe refuges from the insanity of Murdoch inspired crap, or Fox whatever guise they go under trash of unreality.

    Maybe people don't talk about new 'albums' these days because there's less and less to talk about when compared to the Golden Age of the Top Forty in the 1960s and 1970s. There's only so much you can say about Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and Adele,
    except perhaps "Shut up" or "Go away". The exceptions are fifteen year old girls who need to know who's 'in' and who's 'out' as their position in the high school pecking order depends on knowing such things.

    Of course it does. Some of their idols might even look good too. Cannot speak for their music though.
    Meanwhile, I often surprise people that generaly speaking, my own collection does not contain 'albums'. That is because it is almost entirely digital, and the Haydn goes into a folder called Haydn and the Boccherini goes into a folder called '
    Boccherini' and what the original CD was called - e.g. "18th Century Cello Concertos" - is irrelevant. The only exceptions are recordings of music by different composers which the producer of the CD intended to be played together to bring out a certain
    theme: examples would be Sabine Devieilhe's "The Weber Sisters" and "Mirages", and these go into a folder called 'Recitals, collections, etc.'. I was undecided about whether to treat John Wilson's 'Escales' with the Sinfonia of London the same way, but I
    see I've split it up. I could of course do it both ways: digital techonology allows me to do such things with the greatest of ease.

    Sabine Devieilhe ??. Never heard of her. Also if you have never searched for, in the 3D reality of brix and stuff, and held up in your sticky little mitt a prized sleek new Supraphon LP, you have never lived.

    How many people here are interested in Sabine Devieilhe and the Sinfonia of London - adjudged a 'pick up band' by Big Dave - is an interesting question. Or why the Pittsburg orchestra, recorded by what I guess is an independent label in California,
    is worthy of inclusion in The Gramophone's list of Orchestras of the Year, while the NY Phil is not.

    Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so hot,
    whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.


    If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless.  If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all.  The Babe rules.  Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920.  The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the only
    "drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.

    Ray Hall, Taree




    I see he hit 61 in game 155.  Maris hit 61 in game 162.  My that metric Judge beats Maris.  But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had.  I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more.  Maris hit ahead of
    Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him.  Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge?  What if Mantle had two good knees?  No answers.  Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season.  I love watching Ohtani, but if
    Judge isn't MVP the fix is in.


    I forgot to mention that aside from winning the triple crown (if he does), his greatest accomplishment is tying Ruth for 60 home runs in 154 games.

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Thu Sep 29 18:09:53 2022
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 07:36:22 UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:38 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so
    hot, whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.


    If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless. If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all. The Babe rules. Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920. The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the only "
    drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.

    Ray Hall, Taree




    I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead of
    Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if Judge
    isn't MVP the fix is in.

    I forgot to mention that aside from winning the triple crown (if he does), his greatest accomplishment is tying Ruth for 60 home runs in 154 games.

    True. Also Ruth was a giant of a legend, and was an ace pitcher to boot which people often forget. I think Ruth stood out more in his time, which is not to demean Judge.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 23:35:02 2022
    On 9/29/2022 9:09 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 07:36:22 UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:38 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so
    hot, whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.


    If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless. If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all. The Babe rules. Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920. The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the only "
    drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.

    Ray Hall, Taree




    I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead of
    Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if Judge
    isn't MVP the fix is in.

    I forgot to mention that aside from winning the triple crown (if he does), his greatest accomplishment is tying Ruth for 60 home runs in 154 games.

    True. Also Ruth was a giant of a legend, and was an ace pitcher to boot which people often forget. I think Ruth stood out more in his time, which is not to demean Judge.

    Ray Hall, Taree


    The House that Judge built does not have a ring to it.

    Speaking of Ruth, Ohtani has a no-hitter going through 6 innings. Crap. Now I've jinxed him.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Fri Sep 30 00:20:08 2022
    On 9/29/2022 11:35 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/29/2022 9:09 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 07:36:22 UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:38 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:31 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 9/28/2022 9:07 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Maybe it is because Pittsburgh (spelled correctly with an h) has a conductor who seems to be trotting out some good recordings, whilst the NY Phil is still waiting for a decent conductor to come along. However the Pirates baseball team is not so
    hot, whilst the Bronx is still waiting for Judge's 61st HR.


    If he doesn't do it by game 154, it's meaningless.  If he beats Maris after that then he beats Maris, that's all.  The Babe rules.  Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs in 1920.  The major league record before that was 29. Also by Ruth. And I think the
    only "drugs" he used were alcohol and hot dogs.

    Ray Hall, Taree




    I see he hit 61 in game 155.  Maris hit 61 in game 162.  My that metric Judge beats Maris.  But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had.  I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more.  Maris hit ahead
    of Mantle in 1961 and they had to pitch to him.  Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge?  What if Mantle had two good knees?  No answers.  Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season.  I love watching Ohtani, but if
    Judge isn't MVP the fix is in.

    I forgot to mention that aside from winning the triple crown (if he does), his greatest accomplishment is tying Ruth for 60 home runs in 154 games.

    True. Also Ruth was a giant of a legend, and was an ace pitcher to boot which people often forget. I think Ruth stood out more in his time, which is not to demean Judge.

    Ray Hall, Taree


    The House that Judge built does not have a ring to it.

    Speaking of Ruth, Ohtani has a no-hitter going  through 6 innings.  Crap.  Now I've jinxed him.


    Ohtani gave up two singles in the 8th. Still a shutout, but I doubt he'll pitch the 9th inning. What an amazing athlete.

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Sep 30 07:27:08 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?

    Well, gggg (or may I call you gggg?) we seem to have stirred a bit of a hornet's nest here, and i must say prospects for the recording industry are not bright, if this lot are representative of the record-buying public. I should mention that I do
    remember finding Nonesuch LPs in bins, but that was 50 years ago, and that while I do like exploring old repertoire as much as the next man, I prefer to hear it performed by the current generation of conductors, with or without historic instruments.
    People do seem to be unconcerned that nobody is recording the American orchestras that used to get recorded but no longer do, which for those bands without enormous endowments could well mean a lingering death.
    I am flabbergasted to read that the Sage of Taree has not heard of Mme Devieilhe, a marvellous coloratura regarded in France as the successor to the great Natalie Dessaye. I am not at all surprised to find the topic drifting to baseball at a considerable
    rate of knots ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 30 12:42:27 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music

    Muisc is far from the minds of young persons in THESE times probably because they have a whole lot of other worries on their minds:

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical/c/t6DjuXI5dgM

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 30 12:45:05 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music

    Favorite recordings is far from the minds of young persons in THESE times probably because they have a whole lot of other worries to think about:

    https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical/c/t6DjuXI5dgM

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Fri Sep 30 16:54:56 2022
    On 9/30/2022 4:43 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

    Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.

    Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
    was just yesterday!

    As we age, each additional minute is a larger percentage of the time we have remaining. Perhaps people who think will live forever (or at least a long time) don't experience this feeling. Certainly this applies to young people. I'm almost 75, have
    diabetes (in good control), coronary artery disease (one stent), and a malignant (non small cell, not very aggressive) growth in my right lung (lobectomy happening Oct 27.) And I've already lived longer than almost all the men in my family. I feel
    great though. Cemetery plot has been purchased.

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Fri Sep 30 13:43:38 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

    Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.

    Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it was
    just yesterday!

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 30 14:36:57 2022
    Op vrijdag 30 september 2022 om 22:43:41 UTC+2 schreef pnal...@gmail.com:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
    Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.
    Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
    was just yesterday!

    <g> I prefer John's "time ages" to the view that life is "like a roll of toilet paper." John assumes that we age, i.e., that we pass the time we have. If that time flies by then it is because of the way we pass our time.

    Henk

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to andrewc...gmail.com on Fri Sep 30 15:15:38 2022
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 00:27:11 UTC+10, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, gggg (or may I call you gggg?) we seem to have stirred a bit of a hornet's nest here, and i must say prospects for the recording industry are not bright, if this lot are representative of the record-buying public. I should mention that I do
    remember finding Nonesuch LPs in bins, but that was 50 years ago, and that while I do like exploring old repertoire as much as the next man, I prefer to hear it performed by the current generation of conductors, with or without historic instruments.
    People do seem to be unconcerned that nobody is recording the American orchestras that used to get recorded but no longer do, which for those bands without enormous endowments could well mean a lingering death.
    I am flabbergasted to read that the Sage of Taree has not heard of Mme Devieilhe, a marvellous coloratura regarded in France as the successor to the great Natalie Dessaye. I am not at all surprised to find the topic drifting to baseball at a
    considerable rate of knots ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    Ages ia as about as close to sage as I will ever get. I am sure Mme Devieilhe is a wonderful singer (as evidenced by the clips above), but my self prescribed music world is fairly set. My CD collection is also well stocked in enough Mahler 4ths, and
    besides which I am driven by repertoire, much much more than worrying about which artist is playing. Repertoire comes first for me, artist consideration comes next. Always.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Sep 30 16:50:44 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:15:41 AM UTC+10, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 00:27:11 UTC+10, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, gggg (or may I call you gggg?) we seem to have stirred a bit of a hornet's nest here, and i must say prospects for the recording industry are not bright, if this lot are representative of the record-buying public. I should mention that I do
    remember finding Nonesuch LPs in bins, but that was 50 years ago, and that while I do like exploring old repertoire as much as the next man, I prefer to hear it performed by the current generation of conductors, with or without historic instruments.
    People do seem to be unconcerned that nobody is recording the American orchestras that used to get recorded but no longer do, which for those bands without enormous endowments could well mean a lingering death.
    I am flabbergasted to read that the Sage of Taree has not heard of Mme Devieilhe, a marvellous coloratura regarded in France as the successor to the great Natalie Dessaye. I am not at all surprised to find the topic drifting to baseball at a
    considerable rate of knots ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Ages ia as about as close to sage as I will ever get. I am sure Mme Devieilhe is a wonderful singer (as evidenced by the clips above), but my self prescribed music world is fairly set. My CD collection is also well stocked in enough Mahler 4ths, and
    besides which I am driven by repertoire, much much more than worrying about which artist is playing. Repertoire comes first for me, artist consideration comes next. Always.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    Try her "Mirages" with "Les Siecles".

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Fri Sep 30 16:23:27 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:38:18 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:

    I see he hit 61 in game 155. Maris hit 61 in game 162. My that metric Judge beats Maris. But someone could look up how many games each played or how many at bats they had. I think Ruth was intentionally walked a lot more. Maris hit ahead of Mantle in
    1961 and they had to pitch to him. Just admitting it's not so simple. What if Ruth trained like Judge? What if Mantle had two good knees? No answers. Congrats to Judge in any case. A fabulous season. I love watching Ohtani, but if Judge isn't MVP the fix
    is in.

    Also, keep in mind that in 1968 they lowered the mound in order to increase the average number of runs scored, so theoretically it should have made home runs easier to hit...

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Sep 30 17:16:42 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?

    I am sorry to interrupt once more this discussion of the height of baseball mounds, but Linn Records have alerted me to yet more recordings from the Pays des Grenouilles that sound well worth listening to. It is a series called 'Simply Mozart' and it
    comes from Le Concert de la Loge under Julien Chauvin, with various soloists. Each of the two discs issued so far contains an overture, a concerto and a symphony.

    So far as I can see, France and the UK are making all the running these days, with gallant little Belgium not too far behind. I wonder if the Berlin Phil will ever issue new CDs? With its Digital Concert Hall, it really doesn't need to. Does anybody else
    here subscribe to that excellent service, at least when the World Series isn't on?

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to andrewc...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 30 22:47:11 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:16:45 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    \

    So far as I can see, France and the UK are making all the running these days, with gallant little Belgium not too far behind. I wonder if the Berlin Phil will ever issue new CDs? With its Digital Concert Hall, it really doesn't need to. Does anybody
    else here subscribe to that excellent service, at least when the World Series isn't on?

    I don't do the Berlin Phil Concert Hall, nor do I any of these other services, which (in my view) makes for a fast food-like music consumption. Couple of minutes of this, couple of minutes of that...

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Oct 1 06:36:31 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 3:47:14 PM UTC+10, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:16:45 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    \

    So far as I can see, France and the UK are making all the running these days, with gallant little Belgium not too far behind. I wonder if the Berlin Phil will ever issue new CDs? With its Digital Concert Hall, it really doesn't need to. Does anybody
    else here subscribe to that excellent service, at least when the World Series isn't on?

    I don't do the Berlin Phil Concert Hall, nor do I any of these other services, which (in my view) makes for a fast food-like music consumption. Couple of minutes of this, couple of minutes of that...

    The Digital Concert Hall is an archive of entire concerts given by the Berlin Phil, generally at the Philharmoniker or occasionally at the Waldbuehnen. The only way you'll get a couple of minutes of this or a couple of minutes of that is to keep
    switching it on and off again, which is rather a waste of a subscription. Both audio and video production are first rate.

    To see the BPO in action I just activate the app on Google Chromecast or on my Sony BluRay Player. The only way I can see the NY Phil in action is to go to New York.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 06:45:13 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:15:41 AM UTC+10, raymond....@gmail.com wrote: t as close to sage as I will ever get. I am sure Mme Devieilhe is a wonderful singer (as evidenced by the clips above), but my self prescribed music world is fairly set. My CD collection is also well stocked in enough Mahler 4ths, and besides which I am
    driven by repertoire, much much more than worrying about which artist is playing. Repertoire comes first for me, artist consideration comes next. Always.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    The Sabine of my dreams originally specialised in baroque music, and is in fact married to Raphael Pichon, the director of 'Pygmalion', an excellent period instrument band. The 19th century repertoire came later.

    And you'd have to admit that the effect of the most standard of standard repertoires depends on how it's performed. Listen, for example, how Francois-Xavier Roth performs the first Schumann symphony, from the supposedly unplayable original score. With
    modern instruments, in Hamburg.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    and I'm older than Frank Berger

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 08:32:25 2022
    Op zaterdag 1 oktober 2022 om 17:27:19 UTC+2 schreef MELMOTH:
    Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :
    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    and I'm older than Frank Berger
    And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
    I am 78...

    I am 82 ...

    Henk

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  • From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 17:27:14 2022
    Andrew Clarke a mis l'ide suivante :
    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    and I'm older than Frank Berger

    And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
    I am 78...

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  • From Ed Presson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 13:37:49 2022
    "MELMOTH" wrote in message news:63385c53$0$3011$426a34cc@news.free.fr...

    Andrew Clarke a mis l'ide suivante :
    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    and I'm older than Frank Berger

    And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
    I am 78...

    84
    Ed Presson

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sat Oct 1 23:32:22 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:22:35 AM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:

    3. Maybe Gramophone likes to diss the American establshment.

    I've never heard of The Gramophone dissing anybody's musical establishment. *Is* there an American musical establishment, given that musical life stateside is not centralised in one particular city (e.g. London) but is distributed in major cities nation
    wide?

    Incidentally, if you look at The Gramophone's Records of the Month, you will find appreciative reviews of recordings made all over Europe, where it's all happening.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Ed Presson on Sat Oct 1 23:34:02 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 7:38:00 AM UTC+11, Ed Presson wrote:
    "MELMOTH" wrote in message news:63385c53$0$3011$426a...@news.free.fr... Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :
    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    and I'm older than Frank Berger

    And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
    I am 78...
    84
    Ed Presson

    I'm 76. Incidentally, The Big D is a comparative youngster at 61: he just *sounds* 90.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to andrewc...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 2 00:05:55 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 8:32:24 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:22:35 AM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote:

    3. Maybe Gramophone likes to diss the American establshment.

    I've never heard of The Gramophone dissing anybody's musical establishment. *Is* there an American musical establishment, given that musical life stateside is not centralised in one particular city (e.g. London) but is distributed in major cities
    nation wide?

    Incidentally, if you look at The Gramophone's Records of the Month, you will find appreciative reviews of recordings made all over Europe, where it's all happening.

    You seem to harbor the misconception that people here look first before opining.

    I'd say parts of USA musical life concentrates in unexpected places, too, usually near universities. So, for instance, in Ann Arbor, Michigan, there is a counterintuitive number of composers, violin makers and a very nice chamber music venue.
    In New England there are nooks and crannies where everybody and his dog are playing on superb harpsichords, the cold notwithstanding.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Sun Oct 2 03:30:15 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:27:19 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
    Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :

    and I'm older than Frank Berger

    And WHO is the oldest in this
    forum ?...I ask the questuon...

    I am going on 17!

    I am 78...

    Serves you right!

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Oct 2 08:28:47 2022
    On 10/2/2022 3:05 AM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 8:32:24 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:22:35 AM UTC+10, Frank Berger wrote: >>
    3. Maybe Gramophone likes to diss the American establshment.

    I've never heard of The Gramophone dissing anybody's musical establishment. *Is* there an American musical establishment, given that musical life stateside is not centralised in one particular city (e.g. London) but is distributed in major cities
    nation wide?

    Incidentally, if you look at The Gramophone's Records of the Month, you will find appreciative reviews of recordings made all over Europe, where it's all happening.

    You seem to harbor the misconception that people here look first before opining.

    As usual, you can't read. I didn't opine. I said "maybe." It doesn't convey an opinion at all.

    I'd say parts of USA musical life concentrates in unexpected places, too, usually near universities. So, for instance, in Ann Arbor, Michigan, there is a counterintuitive number of composers, violin makers and a very nice chamber music venue.
    In New England there are nooks and crannies where everybody and his dog are playing on superb harpsichords, the cold notwithstanding.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Sun Oct 2 06:43:58 2022
    On 2022-10-02 12:34 a.m., Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 7:38:00 AM UTC+11, Ed Presson wrote:
    "MELMOTH" wrote in message news:63385c53$0$3011$426a...@news.free.fr...
    Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :
    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    and I'm older than Frank Berger

    And WHO is the olsest on thi forum ?...I ask the questuon...
    I am 78...
    84
    Ed Presson

    I'm 76. Incidentally, The Big D is a comparative youngster at 61: he just *sounds* 90.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    I'm 78. It's really weird being the same age as old people!

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 2 07:53:18 2022
    I'm 78. It's really weird being the same age as old people!

    Indeed, it takes time to get used to it.

    Henk

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  • From Mr. Mike@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 2 09:14:00 2022
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <herstx@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 2 09:27:46 2022
    Op zondag 2 oktober 2022 om 18:14:32 UTC+2 schreef Mr. Mike:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music

    It's at least true for me. I cancelled my subscription. Spotify is too much of a good thing.

    Henk

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sun Oct 2 14:39:46 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 9:30:17 PM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:27:19 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
    Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :

    and I'm older than Frank Berger

    And WHO is the oldest in this
    forum ?...I ask the questuon...
    I am going on 17!

    I am 18 going on 19, I'll .... take care ... of you!

    It's a sobering thought that the man who wrote "Manhattan" finished up writing "The Sound of Music". There's the ravages of old age for you.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?N=C3=A9stor_Castiglione?=@21:1/5 to andrewc...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 2 16:56:56 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 2:39:49 PM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 9:30:17 PM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:27:19 AM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:
    Andrew Clarke a émis l'idée suivante :

    and I'm older than Frank Berger

    And WHO is the oldest in this
    forum ?...I ask the questuon...
    I am going on 17!
    I am 18 going on 19, I'll .... take care ... of you!

    It's a sobering thought that the man who wrote "Manhattan" finished up writing "The Sound of Music". There's the ravages of old age for you.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra


    Or that the man who butchered The Magnificent Ambersons ended up directing The Sound of Music. Onward and downward!

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Sun Oct 2 16:27:50 2022
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Fri, 30 Sep 2022, Paul Alsing wrote:

    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

    Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.

    Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
    was just yesterday!

    Given where it winds up, toilet paper is a horribly pessimistic
    analog to life. As for toilet paper rolls, do "nost folks" really
    believe the grossly-wrong assumption you mention?
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Sun Oct 2 16:41:24 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 4:27:58 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 30 Sep 2022, Paul Alsing wrote:

    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:40:49 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

    Perhaps instead of saying “Time ages“ I would say “Time flies“. I’m finding that as one ages the powerful illusion of time moving faster and faster takes place. Time becomes a more precious commodity than anything material.

    Kinda like that roll of toilet paper.. it gets down to half of its original diameter and most folks assume that it is half gone... but at 76 years young I'm here to say that that last "half" sure disappears fast! My 60th birthday party seems like it
    was just yesterday!
    Given where it winds up, toilet paper is a horribly pessimistic
    analog to life. As for toilet paper rolls, do "nost folks" really
    believe the grossly-wrong assumption you mention?
    --
    Al Eisner

    "Nost folks"? You need new reading glasses...

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mr. Mike on Sun Oct 2 18:13:08 2022
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?: >> > >
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music

    I am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of Vivaldi to
    play whilst out for a walk with the dog.

    However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were obsolete
    5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highly priced high
    end CD player?

    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 01:19:49 2022
    In article <b796f0c0-0ed3-4cb9-8e0b-d0060adb1be6n@googlegroups.com>, raymond....@gmail.com <raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com> wrote:
    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are
    using, or what they would do if they were buying another player.

    Got an old computer?

    CD players are readily available as computer hardware, and they're
    cheap. But then you need something to control it, i.e. press play,
    etc. (Some people use a cheap computer like a raspberry Pi for
    something like this.) I guess you didn't like this thought the
    last time I shared it, though.

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Sun Oct 2 18:58:58 2022
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 12:19:54 UTC+11, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <b796f0c0-0ed3-4cb9...googlegroups.com>,
    raymond....gmail.com <raymond....gmail.com> wrote:
    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are
    using, or what they would do if they were buying another player.
    Got an old computer?

    CD players are readily available as computer hardware, and they're
    cheap. But then you need something to control it, i.e. press play,
    etc. (Some people use a cheap computer like a raspberry Pi for
    something like this.) I guess you didn't like this thought the
    last time I shared it, though.

    Thx, a good idea. Hadn't thought of it.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 04:41:03 2022
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track
    minds glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music
    I am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of Vivaldi
    to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.

    However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were
    obsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highly
    priced high end CD player?

    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    A BluRay or DVD player will also play CDs. I use a Sony BPD BluRay because it has a separate coaxial audio output which means that the audio avoids my TV set and goes straight into my amplifier. This is a Denon that has RCA plugs / 2 x optical plugs / 1
    x coax plug and a Bluetooth receiver as inputs. For streaming TV, I use a Google Chromecast feeding the TV via an HTML splitter which sends the audio to the amp via an optical cable - again avoiding the TV sound system - and the video to the TV. For
    portable audio I use a sale price Nokia mobile phone from The Good Guys with a big HD card inside plus the Media Monkey media player for Android from which I can Bluetooth either to the Denon amp or to wireless headphones.

    Sadly, the Sony isn't gapless when playing AAC files: it may or may not be gapless when playing CDs. Gaps are removed from the digital file using the free version of Audacity. Media Monkey isn't absolutely gapless, but the gap is so slight I don't
    notice it.

    I also have an El Cheapo MS Windows laptop which is mostly used as a portable TV set, using Bluetooth for audio or else a Dragonfly headphone amp and Sennhauser wired headphones. Ripped DVDs are stored in a 2 Tb hard drive stuck to the lid with double-
    sided tape. Streaming TV is not a problem - using the browser, not apps - and if i need a bigger screen I just connect it to our second TV with an HDMI cable.

    As previously reported, I stopped buying CDs years ago, except at charity shops. The rest of the time it's downloads. DVDs get ripped using Winx software on my desktop. Op shop CDs get ripped with dBpoweramp.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to andrewc...gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 07:40:14 2022
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 22:41:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com> wrote:

    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair,
    though, The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track
    minds glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music
    I am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of Vivaldi
    to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.

    However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were
    obsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highly
    priced high end CD player?

    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.

    Ray Hall, Taree
    A BluRay or DVD player will also play CDs. I use a Sony BPD BluRay because it has a separate coaxial audio output which means that the audio avoids my TV set and goes straight into my amplifier. This is a Denon that has RCA plugs / 2 x optical plugs /
    1 x coax plug and a Bluetooth receiver as inputs. For streaming TV, I use a Google Chromecast feeding the TV via an HTML splitter which sends the audio to the amp via an optical cable - again avoiding the TV sound system - and the video to the TV. For
    portable audio I use a sale price Nokia mobile phone from The Good Guys with a big HD card inside plus the Media Monkey media player for Android from which I can Bluetooth either to the Denon amp or to wireless headphones.

    Sadly, the Sony isn't gapless when playing AAC files: it may or may not be gapless when playing CDs. Gaps are removed from the digital file using the free version of Audacity. Media Monkey isn't absolutely gapless, but the gap is so slight I don't
    notice it.

    I also have an El Cheapo MS Windows laptop which is mostly used as a portable TV set, using Bluetooth for audio or else a Dragonfly headphone amp and Sennhauser wired headphones. Ripped DVDs are stored in a 2 Tb hard drive stuck to the lid with double-
    sided tape. Streaming TV is not a problem - using the browser, not apps - and if i need a bigger screen I just connect it to our second TV with an HDMI cable.

    As previously reported, I stopped buying CDs years ago, except at charity shops. The rest of the time it's downloads. DVDs get ripped using Winx software on my desktop. Op shop CDs get ripped with dBpoweramp.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    I have just acquired a Denon amp. that only has RCA inputs so this leaves me with fewer options. An external DAC or rely on a cheapo player with a crappy internal DAC? Then of course control of the player, and track readout. It all becomes very messy and
    in the end I am more or less resigned to getting a Denon CD player. My other system uses Yamaha equipment. As I don't use the TV much other than for movies on SBS, I can get by without worrying about video options. I don't stream either, so am spared
    options for that also.

    I use YouTube mostly for info and sampling of music, and don't use video for real listening. In another world I'd rethink how I got to this state, but I am not complaining.

    You seem to have embraced a newer world, but I will still hold by my CDs.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 09:28:08 2022
    On 10/2/22 8:13 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I
    am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a
    bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now
    defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were obsolete 5 or more
    years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured
    things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can
    one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what
    are the options? A highly priced high end CD player?

    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using,
    or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in
    advance.

    Players from Yamaha, Onkyo, Denon are still available at online sites.

    My old players still work, but if I only listened with headphones at the computer, a disc drive and software would suffice. If I had a system
    with speakers that included a tv, a bluray player would be easiest to
    find, with the caveat that most all affordable models have HDMI and
    sometimes coax digital output only.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 10:32:30 2022
    On 2022-10-02 7:13 p.m., raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?: >>>>>>
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music

    I am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of Vivaldi
    to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.

    However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were
    obsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highly
    priced high end CD player?

    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    I have numerous cassettes, acquired when I got fed up with returning
    faulty LPs. This last week, I wanted to listen to some Stenhammar
    quartets but my Nakamichi deck won't play them - the second time such a breakdown has occurred.

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 16:38:33 2022
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:40:17 AM UTC+11, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 22:41:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 03:14:32 UTC+11, Mr. Mike wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Herman <her...yahoo.com> wrote:

    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair,
    though, The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track
    minds glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/sep/27/theres-endless-choice-but-youre-not-listening-fans-quitting-spotify-to-save-their-love-of-music
    I am too old in the tooth to have ever embraced streaming, or ever found I needed to. Music cannot be subsumed into a pile of 1s and 0s, and a filename. This is at best left for mundane purposes such as filling up a mobile phone with piles of
    Vivaldi to play whilst out for a walk with the dog.

    However, there are drawbacks to having a CD collection, such as one I am having at the moment. Which is locating another CD player for a bedroom audio setup. The internet tells me CD players are now defunct, and in fact that CDs themselves were
    obsolete 5 or more years ago. Apart from the availabilty of plastic brightly coloured things that go under the name of CD players, or boomboxes, what can one buy? A bluray player (bluray now defunct), or a DVD player, what are the options? A highly
    priced high end CD player?

    In fact it would be nice to know what players others here are using, or what they would do if they were buying another player. Thanks in advance.

    Ray Hall, Taree
    A BluRay or DVD player will also play CDs. I use a Sony BPD BluRay because it has a separate coaxial audio output which means that the audio avoids my TV set and goes straight into my amplifier. This is a Denon that has RCA plugs / 2 x optical plugs /
    1 x coax plug and a Bluetooth receiver as inputs. For streaming TV, I use a Google Chromecast feeding the TV via an HTML splitter which sends the audio to the amp via an optical cable - again avoiding the TV sound system - and the video to the TV. For
    portable audio I use a sale price Nokia mobile phone from The Good Guys with a big HD card inside plus the Media Monkey media player for Android from which I can Bluetooth either to the Denon amp or to wireless headphones.

    Sadly, the Sony isn't gapless when playing AAC files: it may or may not be gapless when playing CDs. Gaps are removed from the digital file using the free version of Audacity. Media Monkey isn't absolutely gapless, but the gap is so slight I don't
    notice it.

    I also have an El Cheapo MS Windows laptop which is mostly used as a portable TV set, using Bluetooth for audio or else a Dragonfly headphone amp and Sennhauser wired headphones. Ripped DVDs are stored in a 2 Tb hard drive stuck to the lid with
    double-sided tape. Streaming TV is not a problem - using the browser, not apps - and if i need a bigger screen I just connect it to our second TV with an HDMI cable.

    As previously reported, I stopped buying CDs years ago, except at charity shops. The rest of the time it's downloads. DVDs get ripped using Winx software on my desktop. Op shop CDs get ripped with dBpoweramp.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    I have just acquired a Denon amp. that only has RCA inputs so this leaves me with fewer options. An external DAC or rely on a cheapo player with a crappy internal DAC? Then of course control of the player, and track readout. It all becomes very messy
    and in the end I am more or less resigned to getting a Denon CD player. My other system uses Yamaha equipment. As I don't use the TV much other than for movies on SBS, I can get by without worrying about video options. I don't stream either, so am spared
    options for that also.

    I use YouTube mostly for info and sampling of music, and don't use video for real listening. In another world I'd rethink how I got to this state, but I am not complaining.

    You seem to have embraced a newer world, but I will still hold by my CDs.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    We have now reached the stage where it's a lot easier to buy a turntable for vinyl than it is to buy a CD player ...

    I still have in my odds and ends boxes a small but adequate external DAC, I think from Lindy, that plugs into a computer's USB socket. It has RCA outputs. I don't know if these are still available. Or you might be able to buy online something that
    converts from coax to RCA.

    At the other end of the financial spectrum, there is, of course, Sonos ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to andrewc...gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 18:38:48 2022
    On Tuesday, 4 October 2022 at 10:38:36 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:40:17 AM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 22:41:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    We have now reached the stage where it's a lot easier to buy a turntable for vinyl than it is to buy a CD player ...

    I still have in my odds and ends boxes a small but adequate external DAC, I think from Lindy, that plugs into a computer's USB socket. It has RCA outputs. I don't know if these are still available. Or you might be able to buy online something that
    converts from coax to RCA.

    At the other end of the financial spectrum, there is, of course, Sonos ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    I ended up splurging for a Denon player, simply because there is always an unknown factor about buying an online DAC, then there is the conversion cable which is easy enough to get online. I suspect the Denon amp (on its way also) was a fsir bit cheaper
    simply because of RCA only inputs. Nearly everything is HDMI these days, or optical (which I have never used). Checking inputs and outputs of equipment these days can be tricky, especially as BluRays and DVDs cater primarily for video connections.

    And yes, it is much easier to buy a turntable, which is stupid when you think about it.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Tue Oct 4 01:00:28 2022
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 6:17:22 PM UTC+11, MELMOTH wrote:
    raymond....@gmail.com a exposé le 04/10/2022 :
    I ended up splurging for a Denon player, simply because there is always an unknown factor about buying an online DAC, then there is the conversion cable
    which is easy enough to get online. I suspect the Denon amp (on its way also)
    was a fsir bit cheaper simply because of RCA only inputs.
    3 years ago I bought the Marantz 6006 CD player, of which I only use
    the playback part (and the USB output), connected by optical cable to
    my Audiomat DAC...It cost 350 euros...Nowadays, it can only be found at...1500 euros !...

    We'll all have to become Qobuzards ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Tue Oct 4 00:51:26 2022
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 9:17:22 AM UTC+2, MELMOTH wrote:

    3 years ago I bought the Marantz 6006 CD player, of which I only use
    the playback part (and the USB output), connected by optical cable to
    my Audiomat DAC...It cost 350 euros...Nowadays, it can only be found at...1500 euros !...

    One google search yields a 350 euro price for the marantz 6006 today, so don't give up your day job.

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Tue Oct 4 00:58:49 2022
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 12:38:50 PM UTC+11, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, 4 October 2022 at 10:38:36 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:40:17 AM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 3 October 2022 at 22:41:05 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+11, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    We have now reached the stage where it's a lot easier to buy a turntable for vinyl than it is to buy a CD player ...

    I still have in my odds and ends boxes a small but adequate external DAC, I think from Lindy, that plugs into a computer's USB socket. It has RCA outputs. I don't know if these are still available. Or you might be able to buy online something that
    converts from coax to RCA.

    At the other end of the financial spectrum, there is, of course, Sonos ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    I ended up splurging for a Denon player, simply because there is always an unknown factor about buying an online DAC, then there is the conversion cable which is easy enough to get online. I suspect the Denon amp (on its way also) was a fsir bit
    cheaper simply because of RCA only inputs. Nearly everything is HDMI these days, or optical (which I have never used). Checking inputs and outputs of equipment these days can be tricky, especially as BluRays and DVDs cater primarily for video connections.


    And yes, it is much easier to buy a turntable, which is stupid when you think about it.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    Well, I hope you enjoy listening to your new Denon boxes - I have the "Baby" Denon amp which does have a matching CD player, and it's this amp that has all the different inputs.

    I looked up "Hi Fi systems" on Google, and what I got were, for the most part, the kind of "mini hi-fis" you get at department stores. There are some high(er) end BluRay players on the market, although I suspect more work has gone into the video than the
    audio. One of the ironies of history is that the invention of the HDMI cable and the flat screen TV - complete with tinny speakers - came at round about the same time ...

    With respect to the other subtopic here, namely old age, I am finding that digital technology, including downloads/rips, is making life a whole lot easier when it comes to purchasing and playing music. I can download, organise, store and play new
    recordings within about half an hour, without leaving the house, and it's so much easier to switch on the amp and its Bluetooth receiver (with a remote) and transmit the requested item from my Nokia than be fiddling around with CDs. Yes, I do have lower
    back problems. And the sound quality from the latest Bluetooth is, for my purposes, perfectly acceptable.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 4 09:17:17 2022
    raymond....@gmail.com a expos le 04/10/2022 :
    I ended up splurging for a Denon player, simply because there is always an unknown factor about buying an online DAC, then there is the conversion cable which is easy enough to get online. I suspect the Denon amp (on its way also) was a fsir bit cheaper simply because of RCA only inputs.

    3 years ago I bought the Marantz 6006 CD player, of which I only use
    the playback part (and the USB output), connected by optical cable to
    my Audiomat DAC...It cost 350 euros...Nowadays, it can only be found
    at...1500 euros !...

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to andrewclarke437@gmail.com on Tue Oct 4 16:56:45 2022
    In article <2ee3114c-4ce5-4651-b7f9-def748beb967n@googlegroups.com>,
    Andrew Clarke <andrewclarke437@gmail.com> wrote:
    We'll all have to become Qobuzards ...

    Or just play CDs off a computer drive... really an easy thing to
    do....

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Tue Oct 4 16:01:13 2022
    On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 3:56:49 AM UTC+11, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <2ee3114c-4ce5-4651...@googlegroups.com>,
    Andrew Clarke <andrewc...@gmail.com> wrote:
    We'll all have to become Qobuzards ...
    Or just play CDs off a computer drive... really an easy thing to
    do....

    I think we all get that bit. There are two problems remaining:

    (a) Matrimonial-visual. Where the system is in a living area, wives tend to dislike computers, cables and peripherals.
    (b) Audible. Do we (a) bluetooth to powered speakers (b) cable to an amplifier from the computer's headphone jack (c) cable to an amplifier via a DAC connected to the computer's USB port?

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Herman on Tue Oct 4 20:33:11 2022
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 6:51:28 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 9:17:22 AM UTC+2, MELMOTH wrote:

    3 years ago I bought the Marantz 6006 CD player, of which I only use
    the playback part (and the USB output), connected by optical cable to
    my Audiomat DAC...It cost 350 euros...Nowadays, it can only be found at...1500 euros !...
    One google search yields a 350 euro price for the marantz 6006 today, so don't give up your day job.

    Melmoth admits to being 78. He still thinks in anciens francs '0{:-{)= ||||

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Fri Oct 28 10:48:24 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:35:14 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:24:23 AM UTC+2, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 7:29:13 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:58:40 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    Are you finding that conclusion to the following article to be true?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/16/bring-that-beat-back-why-are-people-in-their-30s-giving-up-on-music
    Does that also apply to listeners of classical music?
    Well, very few people here want to talk about music, do they?
    Meanwhile, we need to take into account what "The Guardian" is. It's the UK equivalent, I suppose, of the NYT or the Huffington Post, a safe refuge for ageing hipsters who probably think that C.P.E. Bach was a white supremacist. To be fair, though,
    The Guardian does review classical music and concerts as well, which is getting rarer these days.

    The funny thing is, just yesterday I read a piece in that very same Ageing Hipster Times saying the exact opposite. Hip twentysomethings are checking out of Spotify because they don't want to turn into Dan-types and listen to one-song one-track minds
    glugging on music like chocoloate.
    They want to listen to the artist's entire creative effort in album form and have real experiences.
    They go to live shows (imagine that!) and buy cd's straight from the hipster horse's mouth and I guess there's a place called Bandcamp they frequent a lot.
    There's so much content on the Ageing Hipster Times I can't find the article anymore, 24 hours later.

    Personally I'm neither really ageing nor hipster, but I have to say the whole thing has passed me by, because I don't care about being hip and showing off. I have favorite cd's and I have thousands of non-favorite cd's I and my GF would like to get
    rid of (but how / where?). As time ages I find there's just a core repertoire I'm really into and there is stuff I briefly visited and should have handed on straight away. Also, of course, we enjoy live music.
    As one gets older, doesn't the thrill of discovery begin to yield to the pleasure of rediscovery?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rodney+dangerfield+respect+gif&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjigOD3uoP7AhXUgY4IHWbFAR0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=rodney+dangerfield+respect+gif&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDFAAWABgAGgAcAB4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1n&sclient=img&ei=
    3xJcY6KVE9SDuvQP5oqH6AE&bih=657&biw=1366#imgrc=jZxciorNBt1cBM

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