Thanks! I'll order the CD. I'm familiar with Kempfs Légendes, like them, and am curious how the second Italy book sounds.

Henk

Ah, let me take it all back.

The recordings I want a good transfer of are the 1950s ones.

I was sitting there thinking "these sound good, but why don't they have the magic." And then I realised . . . . .

I've never liked 70s Kempff, apart from maybe some of the Beethoven sonatas.

I'll have to stick with the sound on his Great Pianists Edition.

I don't know the answer but there is a new release of the 1950's DeuxLegendes andexcerpts of Annees in the recent 13 CD box set
The Decca Legacy.

Not re-mastered.

I tried but wasn't able to get the Eloquence CD of Kempff
Plays Liszt, and got the boxset when it came out recently.

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On 9/29/2022 2:08 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:

Thanks! I'll order the CD. I'm familiar with Kempfs Légendes, like them, and am curious how the second Italy book sounds.

Henk

Ah, let me take it all back.

The recordings I want a good transfer of are the 1950s ones.

I was sitting there thinking "these sound good, but why don't they have the magic." And then I realised . . . . .

I've never liked 70s Kempff, apart from maybe some of the Beethoven sonatas.

I'll have to stick with the sound on his Great Pianists Edition.

I don't know the answer but there is a new release of the 1950's
DeuxLegendes andexcerpts of Annees in the recent 13 CD box set
The Decca Legacy.

Not re-mastered.

I tried but wasn't able to get the Eloquence CD of Kempff
Plays Liszt, and got the boxset when it came out recently.

Same mastering, I think.

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On 9/29/2022 2:36 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:

On Sep 28, 2022, Herman wrote
(in article<e8b611e2-cec8-4282-acd9-f7f24feee3b2n@googlegroups.com>):

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:24:43 AM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote: >>>

More psychology: I think you are a fruit cake.

You would have to either remigrate to the Fifties for this to land succesfully, or go to a place (Russia or Hungary?) where antisemitism blossoms along with homophobia.

Putin outlawed antisemitism, do you agree with this or
disagree?

I don't know much about current antisemitism in Hungary, but government to government, Hungary is one of Israel's closest allies Europe. That's something. According to Wikipedia the Nazis murdered about 544,000 Hungarian Jews, with the cooperation of
the Hungarian government. There are somewhere around 50,000-100,000 Jews living in Hungary today, as far as I can tell.

I realize your question was addressed to the fruit cake.

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On 9/29/2022 2:32 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:

On Sep 28, 2022, Mandryka wrote
(in article<cd390c70-2bfc-4825-ad41-ca913ac631f8n@googlegroups.com>):

Unbelievably good very early Kempff Liszt here

https://open.spotify.com/album/0OS6jAACERS4SWPIpyDLy5

or:

https://smile.amazon.com/Wilhelm-Kempff-Rare-Recordings/dp/B00004WJM4/

Spotify calls the Mozart 21st concerto "Elvira Madigan",

Kempff and the original Music And Arts CDs did not.

Both spotify and amazon get bad reviews for their weakness

in searching music, from the recent American Record Guide issue,

I have to agree on amazon as I know it by using it.

Yes. It seems the more specific you are the less likely you are to find what you are looking for.

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On 9/30/2022 12:07 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 12:09:40 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:

On 9/29/2022 2:36 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:

On Sep 28, 2022, Herman wrote
(in article<e8b611e2-cec8-4282...@googlegroups.com>):

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:24:43 AM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>

More psychology: I think you are a fruit cake.

You would have to either remigrate to the Fifties for
this to land succesfully, or go to a place (Russia or
Hungary?) where antisemitism blossoms along with
homophobia.

Putin outlawed antisemitism, do you agree with this
or disagree?

I don't know much about current antisemitism in Hungary,
but government to government, Hungary is one of Israel's
closest allies Europe.

Evidence?

Wikipedia. You can't get better than that.

That's something. According to Wikipedia the Nazis murdered
about 544,000 Hungarian Jews, with the cooperation of the
Hungarian government. There are somewhere around 50,000-
100,000 Jews living in Hungary today, as far as I can tell.

Anti-semitism or lack thereof is far more than a matter
between governments.

Who said it wasn't.

Anti-Semitism is alive and thriving

in Hungary,

as it is everywhere.

government or not. It is deeply embedded in
the local culture, just as it is in Russian and other countries
in the vicinity. To put it bluntly, these are cultures that have
near zero tolerance for social, ethnic or religious diversity.

I think "near zero" is a bit of an exaggeration, but OK.

There are indeed Jews who live there, accepting calculated
risks because of various reasons -- mixed marriages or other
family ties, unmovable businesses or assets, or even blind
loyalty to the regimes or to its principles (I had someone like
this in my 2nd degree family).

Also see https://jewishjournal.com/culture/arts/178588/

Interesting. His ideas about war and economics are wrong, but no matter. Not sure if I said this here (if I have Herman will inform us). Antisemitism is manifested in different ways. At one time everyone said the Jews killed Jesus. Some still believe
but it's not really mainstream antisemitism any more. Then the Jews used the blood of Christian children to make matzah, Then the Jews control the banks, and more. All of these are more or less passé. The current mainstream manifestation is anti-
Zionism. Though the anti-Zionism and antisemitism could theoretically by different, in practice the antisemites hate Israel because it is the collective Jew. Not because they abuse Palestinians. Few really believe in the Palestinian cause/

I head somewhere that antisemitism started when Abraham came to town. Before him, the rock-worshippers got along fine with the tree-worshippers. Abraham came along and said you're both wrong. Not only that, but you are committing a grave sin by not
worshipping the one true God. No wonder he wasn't popular.

dk

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On 9/30/2022 1:11 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 9:38:55 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:

On 9/30/2022 12:07 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 12:09:40 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>
government or not. It is deeply embedded in
the local culture, just as it is in Russian and other countries
in the vicinity. To put it bluntly, these are cultures that have
near zero tolerance for social, ethnic or religious diversity.

I think "near zero" is a bit of an exaggeration, but OK.

I lived in those countries. You have not. Obviously if
one equates near zero to high risk of getting killed
or arrested or sent to the camps as soon as one
steps outside, this is not the case.

"Near zero" means that there is an extremely strong
current of opinion (stated or not) and shared belief
systems that tend to systematically push Jews out
of higher level positions in all walks of life and work.

One needs to look no farther than how Russia has
treated Jewish musicians. A very tiny fraction were
allowed to tour in the West relative to their standing
and proportions in the overall music scene.

For pianists, it was mainly Gilels and Berman. Other
top tier Jewisg pianists almost never toured outside
the Eastern bloc -- e.g. Zak, Flier, Ginzburg, Oborin,
Grinberg, Yudina, Margulis, Ugorsky, Mogilevsky,
Krainev, Feltsman, Faerman, Zilberstein, and so on.

I excluded Ashkenazy from this list because he was
officially allowed to emigrate (1963?) after marrying
his Icelandic sweetheart. I heard rumors this was
part of a deal to convince him to compete in the
1962 Tchaikovsky competition to prevent another
embarrassment by a Western pianist -- and then
John Ogdon happened!

For violinists, it was mainly Oistrakh and Kogan.

dk

Do you think I'm arguing with you?

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