• Re: Any evidence of dynamic range compression from Spotify, Qobuz el al

    From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Mon Oct 3 21:06:53 2022
    In article <tgb9g5$9fa$1@hope.eyrie.org>,
    Todd M. McComb <mccomb@medieval.org> wrote:
    Regarding Bandcamp, where most of the music of interest to me gets
    released these days, you very well might get a high-res download
    without comment (as opposed to Qobuz or Presto, which always(?)
    have separate prices), but the "streaming" part doesn't appear to
    be high-res. At least not sometimes.

    If anyone else is interested in these formats....

    I've been paying a little more attention to exactly what the DIY
    new music community is putting out, whether over Bandcamp, or sending
    directly to me for review, and there's variety in both the 16bit &
    24bit resolutions. (I haven't seen anything but 16bit or 24bit
    recently, although I believe the height of the CD era saw some 20bit
    releases, if I recall correctly....)

    I'm continuing to see a majority of 24bit, and most of the sampling
    rates are 48khz. This is unsurprising, since that is the nominal
    resolution of both the Iphone & Google Pixel. But I've also seen
    e.g. 44khz at 24bit (not 44.1! but also 44.1...) & of course 96khz
    (not 192 outside classical...). There was also a 16bit recording
    with 96khz sampling, a strange choice. And now a 16bit at 48khz
    (i.e. very similar to CD, but not).... This was all since this
    thread, within the past couple of weeks....

    And while DIYers put out music at the resolutions they want, we can
    probably expect "major labels"/classical to continue to milk it for
    whatever money they can squeeze....

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Mon Oct 3 15:20:46 2022
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 4:06:58 PM UTC-5, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <tgb9g5$9fa$1...@hope.eyrie.org>,
    Todd M. McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> wrote:
    Regarding Bandcamp, where most of the music of interest to me gets >released these days, you very well might get a high-res download
    without comment (as opposed to Qobuz or Presto, which always(?)
    have separate prices), but the "streaming" part doesn't appear to
    be high-res. At least not sometimes.
    If anyone else is interested in these formats....

    I've been paying a little more attention to exactly what the DIY
    new music community is putting out, whether over Bandcamp, or sending directly to me for review, and there's variety in both the 16bit &
    24bit resolutions. (I haven't seen anything but 16bit or 24bit
    recently, although I believe the height of the CD era saw some 20bit releases, if I recall correctly....)

    I'm continuing to see a majority of 24bit, and most of the sampling
    rates are 48khz. This is unsurprising, since that is the nominal
    resolution of both the Iphone & Google Pixel. But I've also seen
    e.g. 44khz at 24bit (not 44.1! but also 44.1...) & of course 96khz
    (not 192 outside classical...). There was also a 16bit recording
    with 96khz sampling, a strange choice. And now a 16bit at 48khz
    (i.e. very similar to CD, but not).... This was all since this
    thread, within the past couple of weeks....

    And while DIYers put out music at the resolutions they want, we can
    probably expect "major labels"/classical to continue to milk it for
    whatever money they can squeeze....

    Isn't that what I was arguing? I'm not saying high-res doesn't have uses for recording purposes, but my argument was that there is no evidence that paying to procure a high-res file is getting you anything you can hear, and the prevalence of these
    formats in the market was about what people would pay for and nothing else.

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 22:52:42 2022
    In article <6d3c5594-69da-4b01-b9da-c5b3e90062e7n@googlegroups.com>, mswd...@gmail.com <mswdesign@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 4:06:58 PM UTC-5, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    If anyone else is interested in these formats....

    *anyone else*

    Isn't that what I was arguing?

    Boggle.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Tue Oct 4 09:00:59 2022
    On 10/3/22 4:06 PM, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <tgb9g5$9fa$1@hope.eyrie.org>,
    Todd M. McComb <mccomb@medieval.org> wrote:
    Regarding Bandcamp, where most of the music of interest to me gets
    released these days, you very well might get a high-res download
    without comment (as opposed to Qobuz or Presto, which always(?)
    have separate prices), but the "streaming" part doesn't appear to
    be high-res. At least not sometimes.

    If anyone else is interested in these formats....

    I've been paying a little more attention to exactly what the DIY
    new music community is putting out, whether over Bandcamp, or sending directly to me for review, and there's variety in both the 16bit &
    24bit resolutions. (I haven't seen anything but 16bit or 24bit
    recently, although I believe the height of the CD era saw some 20bit releases, if I recall correctly....)

    I'm continuing to see a majority of 24bit, and most of the sampling
    rates are 48khz. This is unsurprising, since that is the nominal
    resolution of both the Iphone & Google Pixel. But I've also seen
    e.g. 44khz at 24bit (not 44.1! but also 44.1...) & of course 96khz
    (not 192 outside classical...). There was also a 16bit recording
    with 96khz sampling, a strange choice. And now a 16bit at 48khz
    (i.e. very similar to CD, but not).... This was all since this
    thread, within the past couple of weeks....

    And while DIYers put out music at the resolutions they want, we can
    probably expect "major labels"/classical to continue to milk it for
    whatever money they can squeeze....

    I'd guess the variety of formats has to do with inexpensive recording
    equipment available, ie, Zoom H4 at 24/96 and intended use. Anything
    heard through an AVR will be bottlenecked at 48 kHz no matter what the
    original is.

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to pianoforte109@yahoo.com on Tue Oct 4 16:51:52 2022
    In article <thhear$1pbj$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    mINE109 <pianoforte109@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I'd guess the variety of formats has to do with inexpensive recording >equipment available, ie, Zoom H4 at 24/96 and intended use.

    It's become a lot easier for "an ordinary person" to make a good
    recording....

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Tue Oct 4 18:44:56 2022
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 5:52:46 PM UTC-5, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <6d3c5594-69da-4b01...@googlegroups.com>,
    mswd...@gmail.com <mswd...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 4:06:58 PM UTC-5, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    If anyone else is interested in these formats....
    *anyone else*
    Isn't that what I was arguing?
    Boggle.

    You've finally named something that has clear value .

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