https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
you have posted this link at least twice before.
it seems to be aimed at Americans or people who have otherwise part of their brain removed.
this narrator seems to think Bizet is the first French composer in history. Makes you wonder what those Homages a Rameau or Couperin are about.
It's just the wrong question. Debussy was a revolutionary composer in French music history, too. The question is what makes Debussy sound like Debussy.
Same as with Stravinsky. In other words, it's about high modernism.
you have posted this link
at least twice before.
You no
longer can tell the difference
between G8 and Dan Koren?
dk
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:50:38 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
You no
longer can tell the difference
between G8 and Dan Koren?
gggg is the one who occasionaly makes
sense. Other than that, no difference.
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 5:11:17 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
(2022 Y. upload):
"Characteristics of Claude Debussy Music (An Introduction)"
On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 5:11:17 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
(2022 Y. upload):
"Characteristics of Claude Debussy Music (An Introduction)"Isn't part of the French aesthetic that no single element is allowed to dominate?
On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 5:11:17 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
(2022 Y. upload):
"Characteristics of Claude Debussy Music (An Introduction)"Isn't part of the French aesthetic that no single element is allowed to dominate?
On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 10:49:02 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 5:11:17 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
(2022 Y. upload):
According to this:"Characteristics of Claude Debussy Music (An Introduction)"Isn't part of the French aesthetic that no single element is allowed to dominate?
- ...[Debussy's] Piano Préludes exemplify the French Aesthetics values.
https://www.academia.edu/15873359/Claude_Debussy_un_musicien_fran%C3%A7ais
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:11:17 AM UTC+10, dan....gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
Debussy sounds French because if he is performed in a particular fashion he reminds people of Verlaine (but not Baudelaire), Renoir (but not Cezanne) or the dreamier bits of Proust (made even dreamier in Scott Moncrieff's translation).
Then along came M. Boulez ...
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 10:15:41 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:11:17 AM UTC+10, dan....gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
Debussy sounds French because if he is performed in a particular fashion he reminds people of Verlaine (but not Baudelaire), Renoir (but not Cezanne) or the dreamier bits of Proust (made even dreamier in Scott Moncrieff's translation).
Then along came M. Boulez ...
Andrew ClarkeDebussy doesn't reek of French-ness, but is obviously not Russain or German. What I find with this composer is his way of carrying (sustaining) notes across bar lines, and for me as a listener it is often difficult to detect bar lines.
Canberra
Poulenc for me is the archetypal French composer, light, witty and pungent.
Ray Hall, Taree
On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 10:15:41 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:11:17 AM UTC+10, dan....gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
Debussy sounds French because if he is performed in a particular fashion he reminds people of Verlaine (but not Baudelaire), Renoir (but not Cezanne) or
the dreamier bits of Proust (made even dreamier in Scott Moncrieff's translation).
Then along came M. Boulez ...
Debussy doesn't reek of French-ness, but is obviously not Russain or German.
What I find with this composer is his way of carrying
(sustaining) notes across bar lines, and for me as a
listener it is often difficult to detect bar lines.
Poulenc for me is the archetypal French composer,
light, witty and pungent.
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:11:17 AM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
Debussy sounds French because if he is performed in a
particular fashion he reminds people of Verlaine (but not
Baudelaire), Renoir (but not Cezanne) or the dreamier bits
of Proust (made even dreamier in Scott Moncrieff's translation).
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:36:12 PM UTC-8, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 10:15:41 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:11:17 AM UTC+10, dan....gmail.com wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
Debussy sounds French because if he is performed in a particular fashion he
reminds people of Verlaine (but not Baudelaire), Renoir (but not Cezanne) or
the dreamier bits of Proust (made even dreamier in Scott Moncrieff's translation).
Then along came M. Boulez ...
Debussy doesn't reek of French-ness, but is obviously not Russain or German.What does "reek" mean in this context? Seriously.
No use of deodorant for weeks?
What I find with this composer is his way of carryingWhy would one want to "detect" bar lines? Seriously.
(sustaining) notes across bar lines, and for me as a
listener it is often difficult to detect bar lines.
Bar lines are very clear to see from prison cells.
Poulenc for me is the archetypal French composer,
light, witty and pungent.
While I like and enjoy Poulenc's music at least as
much as anyone else in this ng, may I respectfully
point to a long line of "archetypal French composers"
that hopefully extends to infinity: Machaut, Marais,
Lully, Couperin, Rameau, Berlioz, Franck,Gounod,
Saint-Saens, d'Indy, Satie, Debussy, Ravel, Poulenc,
and so on.
Each and every one archetypal during their times.
Play a whole tone scale on the piano softly with the sustain pedal slightly depressed.
Who will it remind you of?
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:36:12 PM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 10:15:41 UTC+11, andrewc...gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 10:11:17 AM UTC+10, dan....gmail.com wrote: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
Debussy sounds French because if he is performed in a particular fashion he >>> reminds people of Verlaine (but not Baudelaire), Renoir (but not Cezanne) or
the dreamier bits of Proust (made even dreamier in Scott Moncrieff's
translation).
Then along came M. Boulez ...
Debussy doesn't reek of French-ness, but is obviously not Russain or German.
What does "reek" mean in this context? Seriously.
No use of deodorant for weeks?
Just a little fun quote (from Jane Fulcher's 2001 book) for people who keep reiterating that tired old "impressionism" label:
"Debussy said that anyone using the term (whether about painting or music) was an imbecile".
In those circumstances NO music is best.If the music loses its pulse, one hopes the patient doesn't follow suit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
It's a big mistake to see Debussy as "dreamy" music
apart from one or two piano pieces. On the contrary
it's quite spiky. It's intense music quite densely
packed with ideas - not empty at all.
I had this shown to me most clearly when I had a heart
procedure and the surgeon (who was also a violinist)
asked if I would like any music to relax me. I said "OK -
put some Debussy on". So he played La Mer on some
device in the theatre. I was very surprised to find the
music wasn't relaxing in the slightest - it just made
me stressed and I asked him to turn it off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZ4vtpxQXw
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