Group 1 is now open.
Group 1 is now open.
FINAL RANKINGS - same as Jim and Bwucie Wobert Bosett
(That's how I said my name when I was first talking at like 2 years old)
1. When My Dreamboat Comes Home - Fats Domino - 22
2. Single Life – Billy Tate - 21
3. I Won't Be The Fool Anymore - The Heartbeats - 19
4. Baby, Baby, Oh My Darling - Clovers - 18
My Facts ekes out the win thanks to Mark's first place ranking at the end of the voting. Roger's Single Life gets through to the ELITE EIGHT after a second place finish. Diane's H-Beats is out after taking third place and Rick's stubborn Clovers recordis finally done after going much further than expected by me.
On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:03:05 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:
Group 1 is now open.
3. When My Dreamboat Comes Home - Fats Domino
4. Single Life - Billy Tate
Group 2 is now open.
Group 2 is now open.
Group 3 is now open.
FINAL RANKINGS
1. I Gotta Get Myself A Woman - Drifters - 22
2. Yes Yes Yes - The Cashmeres - 20
4. There You Go - Johnny Cash - 19 (2 first place, 2 second place)
3. Love Only You - The Meadowlarks (2 first place, 0 second place)
Group 3 is now open.
I have a question about voting ethics (for lack of a better word).
There are no rules as to how we decide how to rank the songs.
Presumably we rank them in order of personal preference, but that
isn't a requirement.
Do you people consider it ethical to rank the songs in such a way
that favors the outcome we desire?
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:14:42?AM UTC-5, Rick Schubert wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:01:16 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
FINAL RANKINGSLooks like you copied my entry but forgot to reverse the numbers on the last 2 songs.
1. I Gotta Get Myself A Woman - Drifters - 22
2. Yes Yes Yes - The Cashmeres - 20
4. There You Go - Johnny Cash - 19 (2 first place, 2 second place)
3. Love Only You - The Meadowlarks (2 first place, 0 second place)
I have a question about voting ethics (for lack of a better word).
There are no rules as to how we decide how to rank the songs. Presumably we rank them in order of
personal preference, but that isn't a requirement. Do you people consider it ethical to rank the
songs in such a way that favors the outcome we desire? One example is ranking our own song first
even though we may like other songs. I'll ignore that case for now.
For this Group, I ended up voting according to my personal preference:
1. I Gotta Get Myself A Woman - Drifters
2. Yes Yes Yes - The Cashmeres
3. Love Only You - The Meadowlarks
4. There You Go - Johnny Cash
While the first 2 songs did actually finish end up in those places and advanced to the next round,
I actually thougt my third choice had a better chance of advancing than my second. Would you think
it would have been ethical for me to switch the order of my votes? What if I had thought that my
first choice was a lock to advance? Would it be OK for me to rank it lower to boost the chances of
the song I wanted to end up in second? What if I didn't like 2 of the songs at all but feared that
my third choice might battle for second place. Would it be ethical to vote it last even though I
liked it better than my fourth choice?
Anybody can vote any way they want. The instructions are to list the records in the order based on how much you like each record, but voters can just let their conscience be their guide.
We will then each rank the 4 items in each group from one to four. Points will >be awarded as follows, 4 points for each #1 ranking, 3 points for each #2 >ranking, 2 points for each #3 ranking and 1 point for each #4 ranking
Group 4 is now open.
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:14:30 -0800, Rick Schubert <rns@san.rr.com>-------------
wrote:
I have a question about voting ethics (for lack of a better word).
There are no rules as to how we decide how to rank the songs.
Presumably we rank them in order of personal preference, but that
isn't a requirement.
Do you people consider it ethical to rank the songs in such a way
that favors the outcome we desire?
This is a subject that some voters may prefer not to openly discuss
with complete honesty.
A vote could be even be influenced by the nominator or ranker of a
particular song?
No matter what, there is no way to prove that a voter did not vote
according to their personal 'taste' in music, and every 'calculating'
voter knows that.
Group 4 is now open.
On 12/12/2023 11:28 PM, RWC wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:14:30 -0800, Rick Schubert <rns@san.rr.com>-------------
wrote:
I have a question about voting ethics (for lack of a better word).
There are no rules as to how we decide how to rank the songs.
Presumably we rank them in order of personal preference, but that
isn't a requirement.
Do you people consider it ethical to rank the songs in such a way
that favors the outcome we desire?
This is a subject that some voters may prefer not to openly discuss
with complete honesty.
A vote could be even be influenced by the nominator or ranker of a
particular song?
No matter what, there is no way to prove that a voter did not vote
according to their personal 'taste' in music, and every 'calculating'
voter knows that.
I don't understand why you would be asking this question now, when the contest is drawing to a close, and not, say, three years ago.
[Bruce] Anybody can vote any way they want. The instructions are to listthe records in the order based on how much you like each record, but
voters can just let their conscience be their guide.
So you are saying that from an ethical point of view (ethical and conscience >are related closely enough) you should not vote in a way to try to get the >outcome you desire (one could say "manipulate") but strictly based on how >much you like each record.
FINAL RANKINGS - same as Brucie
1. Get Rich Quick - Little Richard - 26
2. Just Got To Know - Jimmy McCracklin - 19
3. Let Me Go Home Whiskey - Amos Milburn - 18
4. I'm Wild About You Baby - Lightnin' Hopkins - 17
First time in a long time where somebody took first and second in a group as both of Diane's records move into the ELITE 8. Mark's Milburn was a point behind in third place and Carl's Hopkins was last.
FINAL RANKINGS
1. Get Rich Quick - Little Richard - 26
2. Just Got To Know - Jimmy McCracklin - 19
3. Let Me Go Home Whiskey - Amos Milburn - 18
4. I'm Wild About You Baby - Lightnin' Hopkins - 17
but the last vote (Steve's) was needed to determine 2nd place because
Amos was still in the running .
FINAL RANKINGS - same as me and Jim.
1. Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee, Drinking Wine - Johnny Burnette - 24
2. Looka No Hair - Professor Longhair - 20 (2 first place)
3. Young Fashion Ways - Muddy Waters - 20 (1 first place)
4. I Need Your Love So Bad - Vocaleers and Herman Dunham - 16
Carl's Burnette which won the March tournament wins this group too.
FINAL RANKINGS
1. I Gotta Get Myself A Woman - Drifters - 22
2. Yes Yes Yes - The Cashmeres - 20
4. There You Go - Johnny Cash - 19 (2 first place, 2 second place)
3. Love Only You - The Meadowlarks (2 first place, 0 second place)
My Drifters from June did not even make the FINAL 4 that month, but it wins this group
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:01:16 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:
FINAL RANKINGS
1. I Gotta Get Myself A Woman - Drifters - 22
2. Yes Yes Yes - The Cashmeres - 20
4. There You Go - Johnny Cash - 19 (2 first place, 2 second place)
3. Love Only You - The Meadowlarks (2 first place, 0 second place)
My Drifters from June did not even make the FINAL 4 that month, but it wins this group
again, guaranteed winner after 7 votes
The first tie breaker is which record was ranked higher on the most ballots. >With an even amount of voters like we have now with 8, this will usually be
a 4-4 tie. If we had an odd number of voters we would never need to go to
the second tie breaker.
Then we go to....
1 - Most first place votes
2 - Most second place votes
3 - most third place votes
If those are all ties than so will the last place votes be tied.
Then it would go to points for each record in the previous round.
If that is tied then the round before that.
If that is still tied through the earliest round in that tournament,
then with the year end we would go back to where the item finished in its
month.
If both items finished in the same place, then we would look at total
points that each had in the FINAL FOUR of that month.
On 12/13/2023 8:52 AM, DianeE wrote:
On 12/12/2023 11:28 PM, RWC wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:14:30 -0800, Rick Schubert <rns@san.rr.com>
wrote:
I have a question about voting ethics (for lack of a better word).
There are no rules as to how we decide how to rank the songs.
Presumably we rank them in order of personal preference, but that
isn't a requirement.
Do you people consider it ethical to rank the songs in such a way
that favors the outcome we desire?
This is a subject that some voters may prefer not to openly discuss
with complete honesty.
A vote could be even be influenced by the nominator or ranker of a
particular song?
No matter what, there is no way to prove that a voter did not vote
according to their personal 'taste' in music, and every 'calculating'
voter knows that.
I don't understand why you would be asking this question now, when the
contest is drawing to a close, and not, say, three years ago.
Personally, I always put my own records first. A couple of times, I
lost by a point or two because I didn't do so. To hell with that, I
said, and now I know that if my record gets kicked out it's not by my
own hand. That should be the most unethical thing I've ever done in my >life.
The Hopkins was eliminated after 7 ballots.... McCracklin had already been ranked higher than the Hopkins on 5 of the 7 ballots,
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 10:48:51?AM UTC-5, RWC wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:03:51 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
The Hopkins was eliminated after 7 ballots.... McCracklin had already been ranked higher than the Hopkins on 5 of the 7 ballots,
Bruce, I don't see that, I make it 4 each after all 8 votes:
McCracklin
Bruce, Roger, Diane, Jim
Hopkins
Rick, Carl, Mark, Steve
It was some other reason.
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