On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 04:12:02 -0800 (PST), Bill B <bbug2@optonline.net>
wrote:

When I mentioned that I was a fan of crime fiction and thrillers, Bruce said:

"Yuk. Don't know about Dean, but I have absolutely no interest at all in reading any fiction."

Then I recalled Bruce's list of 100 favorite TV shows. At least a third of them were crime or thriller fiction.

My question for Bruce is what makes the TV shows favorable viewing and the literary fiction yuk?

Two reasons I can think of are:
He doesn't have the imagination to picture a writer's depiction and prefers to have the depiction presented to him.

He doesn't have the attention span to devote more than an hour or two to a project.

I savor the extra time it takes to read a book and interpret the author's description.

Bruce can speak for himself, but here is some general info.

1. FICTION: BOOKS v. TV

There are several reasons why some people may prefer watching fiction
on TV over reading it in books. One reason is that TV shows and movies
can be more visually engaging and immersive than books, as they can
use music, sound effects, and special effects to create a more dynamic
and captivating experience. Additionally, watching TV shows and movies
can be a more passive and relaxing activity than reading books, as it
requires less mental effort and can be enjoyed from the comfort of
one's couch.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/11/9/movies-books-harvard/

On the other hand, some people may find reading fiction books to be
more challenging or less enjoyable than watching TV shows and movies.
Reading requires more focus and concentration than watching TV, and it
can be more difficult to visualize the characters and settings
described in the book. https://digitalminimalism.com/reading-vs-watching-videos-what-science-says/ Additionally, some people may find that reading fiction books can be
more emotionally draining or less satisfying than watching TV shows
and movies, as they require more effort and investment to complete. https://thoughtcatalog.com/kovie-biakolo/2015/08/14-things-only-people-who-prefer-nonfiction-books-understand/
Ultimately, the choice between reading fiction books and watching TV
shows and movies is a matter of personal preference, and both mediums
have their own unique benefits and drawbacks. Some people may prefer
reading books because they enjoy the imaginative and intellectual
experience of reading, while others may prefer watching TV shows and
movies because they enjoy the emotional and visual experience of
watching a story unfold on screen.
"Our Fiction Addiction - Why Humans Need Stories" https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20180503-our-fiction-addiction-why-humans-need-stories

2. BOOKS: NON-FICTION v. FICTION

Some people prefer non-fiction books because they enjoy learning new
things and gaining knowledge about the world around them. Others
prefer fiction books because they enjoy the emotional and imaginative experience of reading a good story. Ultimately, the choice between
fiction and non-fiction books is a matter of personal preference, and
both genres have their own unique benefits and drawbacks. https://selfpublishing.com/fiction-vs-nonfiction/ https://wise-answer.com/what-do-you-prefer-reading-fiction-or-nonfiction/ https://lisanotes.com/5-reasons-to-read-nonfiction/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fiction-vs-nonfiction-whi_b_8908516 https://improvementbuddy.com/reading-fiction-vs-nonfiction-books-which-is-better/

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On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 09:22:26 -0500, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

2. BOOKS: NON-FICTION v. FICTION

Some people prefer non-fiction books because they enjoy learning new
things and gaining knowledge about the world around them. Others
prefer fiction books because they enjoy the emotional and imaginative >experience of reading a good story.

...

https://lisanotes.com/5-reasons-to-read-nonfiction/

...

I feel I must add the link below (found in the link above):

"3 Reasons You Don’t Read Non-Fiction and Why You Should Anyway" https://lisanotes.com/you-dont-read-nonfiction/

"many non-fiction books are told with a strong narrative thread. They
are plot-driven and present their facts in story form. If you prefer
novels, find a non-fiction book that reads like one."

also mentioned is bestseller "Dreyer’s English: An Utterly Correct
Guide to Clarity and Style", written in an engaging style using
everyday language; "an utterly delightful book to read, Dreyer's
English will stand among the classics on how to use the English
language properly"

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On 12/5/2023 7:12 AM, Bill B wrote:

When I mentioned that I was a fan of crime fiction and thrillers, Bruce said:

"Yuk. Don't know about Dean, but I have absolutely no interest at all in reading any fiction."

Then I recalled Bruce's list of 100 favorite TV shows. At least a third of them were crime or thriller fiction.

My question for Bruce is what makes the TV shows favorable viewing and the literary fiction yuk?

Two reasons I can think of are:
He doesn't have the imagination to picture a writer's depiction and prefers to have the depiction presented to him.

He doesn't have the attention span to devote more than an hour or two to a project.

I savor the extra time it takes to read a book and interpret the author's description.

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I don't know if you'll find this interesting or not, but as for me, I
don't read fiction *and* I don't watch fictional TV shows or movies. I
did when I was young but at some point in middle age I lost all patience
for fictional stories. You may protest "But you loved The Sopranos!"
That's true, but the reason I loved it was that the characters seemed so
much like real people. The scenes I liked best were not the action
scenes and certainly not the dream sequences, but the ones where the
characters were interacting with each other casually. I haven't had the patience to watch any other TV shows (dramas or sitcoms) since it went
off the air in 2007. They're all so contrived, and impossible for me to suspend my disbelief. I just watch documentaries and true-crime shows.

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 09:44:21 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

My picks for the Player and Pitcher of the Year for every season for every Major League.

by Player (1871-2023):
(if fixed-pitch font is used {eg Courier} the list will format nicely)

Aaron Judge ------- 2022 AL

Al Kaline --------- 1959 AL

Al Rosen ---------- 1953 AL

Al Simmons -------- 1925 AL
Al Simmons -------- 1929 AL

Alan Trammell ----- 1987 AL

Albert Belle ------ 1995 AL
Albert Belle ------ 1998 AL

Albert Pujols ----- 2003 NL
Albert Pujols ----- 2005 NL
Albert Pujols ----- 2006 NL
Albert Pujols ----- 2008 NL
Albert Pujols ----- 2009 NL

Alex Bregman ------ 2019 AL

Alex Rodriguez ---- 1996 AL
Alex Rodriguez ---- 2000 AL
Alex Rodriguez ---- 2001 AL
Alex Rodriguez ---- 2002 AL
Alex Rodriguez ---- 2003 AL
Alex Rodriguez ---- 2005 AL
Alex Rodriguez ---- 2007 AL

Arky Vaughan ------ 1935 NL

Babe Ruth --------- 1918 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1919 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1920 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1921 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1923 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1924 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1926 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1928 AL
Babe Ruth --------- 1930 AL

Barry Bonds ------- 1990 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 1991 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 1992 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 1993 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 1995 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 2000 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 2001 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 2002 NL
Barry Bonds ------- 2004 NL

Benny Kauff ------- 1914 FL

Benny Kauff ------- 1915 FL

Bill Freehan ------ 1968 AL

Bill Terry -------- 1931 NL

Billy Hamilton ---- 1891 NL

Bob Caruthers ----- 1886 AA

Bobby Murcer ------ 1971 AL

Brooks Robinson --- 1964 AL

Bryce Harper ------ 2015 NL

Buster Posey ------ 2012 NL

Cal McVey --------- 1874 NA

Cal Ripken Jr. ---- 1983 AL
Cal Ripken Jr. ---- 1984 AL
Cal Ripken Jr. ---- 1991 AL

Cap Anson --------- 1881 NL

Carl Yastrzemski -- 1967 AL
Carl Yastrzemski -- 1970 AL

Charley Jones ----- 1879 NL

Chipper Jones ----- 2007 NL

Christian Yelich -- 2018 NL

Chuck Klein ------- 1932 NL
Chuck Klein ------- 1933 NL

Cody Bellinger ---- 2019 NL

Cupid Childs ------ 1890 AA

Cy Seymour -------- 1905 NL

Dale Murphy ------- 1983 NL

Dan Brouthers ----- 1882 NL
Dan Brouthers ----- 1883 NL
Dan Brouthers ----- 1892 NL

Darryl Strawberry - 1988 NL

Dave Orr ---------- 1884 AA

Dave Parker ------- 1978 NL

David Ortiz ------- 2006 AL

Deacon White ------ 1877 NL

Del Ennis --------- 1950 NL

Dick Allen -------- 1972 AL

Don Mattingly ----- 1986 AL

Duke Snider ------- 1956 NL

Dwight Evans ------ 1981 AL

Ed Delahanty ------ 1893 NL
Ed Delahanty ------ 1899 NL
Ed Delahanty ------ 1902 AL

Eddie Collins ----- 1913 AL
Eddie Collins ----- 1914 AL

Eddie Mathews ----- 1960 NL

Elston Howard ----- 1963 AL

Enos Slaughter ---- 1942 NL

Eric Davis -------- 1987 NL

Fernando Tatis Jr.- 2021 NL

Frank Robinson ---- 1961 NL
Frank Robinson ---- 1966 AL

Frank Schulte ----- 1911 NL

Frank Thomas ------ 1992 AL
Frank Thomas ------ 1994 AL

Frankie Frisch ---- 1923 NL

Fred Dunlap ------- 1884 UA

Fred Lynn --------- 1975 AL
Fred Lynn --------- 1979 AL

Freddie Freeman --- 2020 NL

Gary Carter ------- 1982 NL

Gavvy Cravath ----- 1913 NL
Gavvy Cravath ----- 1915 NL

George Brett ------ 1980 AL

George Foster ----- 1977 NL

George Gore ------- 1880 NL

George J. Burns --- 1919 NL

George Sisler ----- 1922 AL

Giancarlo Stanton - 2014 NL
Giancarlo Stanton - 2017 NL

Graig Nettles ----- 1976 AL

Hack Wilson ------- 1926 NL
Hack Wilson ------- 1930 NL

Hank Aaron -------- 1957 NL
Hank Aaron -------- 1959 NL
Hank Aaron -------- 1963 NL

Hank Greenberg ---- 1935 AL
Hank Greenberg ---- 1940 AL

Harry Davis ------- 1905 AL

Harry Stovey ------ 1883 AA
Harry Stovey ------ 1889 AA

Heinie Groh ------- 1918 NL

Heinie Zimmerman -- 1912 NL

Honus Wagner ------ 1900 NL
Honus Wagner ------ 1902 NL
Honus Wagner ------ 1903 NL
Honus Wagner ------ 1904 NL
Honus Wagner ------ 1906 NL
Honus Wagner ------ 1907 NL
Honus Wagner ------ 1908 NL
Honus Wagner ------ 1909 NL

Hugh Duffy -------- 1891 AA
Hugh Duffy -------- 1894 NL

Hughie Jennings --- 1895 NL
Hughie Jennings --- 1896 NL

Jack Glasscock ---- 1889 NL
Jack Glasscock ---- 1890 NL

Jackie Robinson --- 1949 NL
Jackie Robinson --- 1952 NL

Jacoby Ellsbury --- 2011 AL

Jeff Bagwell ------ 1994 NL
Jeff Bagwell ------ 1999 NL

Jesse Burkett ----- 1901 NL

Jim Bottomley ----- 1928 NL

Jim Rice ---------- 1978 AL

Jimmie Foxx ------- 1932 AL
Jimmie Foxx ------- 1933 AL
Jimmie Foxx ------- 1938 AL

Jimmy Collins ----- 1898 NL

Jimmy Ryan -------- 1888 NL

Joe DiMaggio ------ 1937 AL
Joe DiMaggio ------ 1939 AL

Joe Mauer --------- 2009 AL

Joe Medwick ------- 1937 NL

Joe Morgan -------- 1973 NL
Joe Morgan -------- 1974 NL
Joe Morgan -------- 1975 NL
Joe Morgan -------- 1976 NL

Joey Votto -------- 2010 NL

John Olerud ------- 1993 AL

John Reilly ------- 1888 AA

Johnny Bench ------ 1970 NL
Johnny Bench ------ 1972 NL

Johnny Mize ------- 1939 NL
Johnny Mize ------- 1940 NL
Johnny Mize ------- 1947 NL

Jose Abreu -------- 2020 AL

Jose Altuve ------- 2017 AL

Jose Bautista ----- 2010 AL

Jose Canseco ------ 1988 AL

Josh Donaldson ---- 2015 AL

Josh Hamilton ----- 2008 AL

Ken Caminiti ------ 1996 NL

Ken Griffey Jr. --- 1997 AL

King Kelly -------- 1884 NL
King Kelly -------- 1886 NL

Kris Bryant ------- 2016 NL

Levi Meyerle ------ 1871 NA

Lou Boudreau ------ 1948 AL

Lou Gehrig -------- 1927 AL
Lou Gehrig -------- 1931 AL
Lou Gehrig -------- 1934 AL
Lou Gehrig -------- 1936 AL

Luke Appling ------ 1943 AL

Mark McGwire ------ 1998 NL

Matt Kemp --------- 2011 NL

Mel Ott ----------- 1934 NL
Mel Ott ----------- 1936 NL
Mel Ott ----------- 1938 NL

Mickey Mantle ----- 1955 AL
Mickey Mantle ----- 1956 AL
Mickey Mantle ----- 1957 AL
Mickey Mantle ----- 1958 AL
Mickey Mantle ----- 1960 AL
Mickey Mantle ----- 1961 AL
Mickey Mantle ----- 1962 AL

Miguel Cabrera ---- 2012 AL

Mike Piazza ------- 1997 NL

Mike Schmidt ------ 1979 NL
Mike Schmidt ------ 1980 NL
Mike Schmidt ------ 1981 NL
Mike Schmidt ------ 1986 NL

Mike Trout -------- 2013 AL
Mike Trout -------- 2014 AL
Mike Trout -------- 2016 AL

Mookie Betts ------ 2018 AL

Nap Lajoie -------- 1901 AL
Nap Lajoie -------- 1903 AL
Nap Lajoie -------- 1904 AL
Nap Lajoie -------- 1906 AL
Nap Lajoie -------- 1910 AL

Paul Goldschmidt -- 2013 NL
Paul Goldschmidt -- 2022 NL

Paul Hines -------- 1878 NL

Paul Waner -------- 1927 NL

Pete Browning ----- 1882 AA
Pete Browning ----- 1885 AA

Pete Reiser ------- 1941 NL

Phil Rizzuto ------ 1950 AL

Rabbit Maranville - 1914 NL

Reggie Jackson ---- 1969 AL
Reggie Jackson ---- 1973 AL

Richie Allen ------ 1966 NL

Rickey Henderson -- 1985 AL
Rickey Henderson -- 1990 AL

Roberto Alomar ---- 1999 AL

Roberto Clemente -- 1967 NL

Robin Yount ------- 1982 AL
Robin Yount ------- 1989 AL

Rod Carew --------- 1974 AL
Rod Carew --------- 1977 AL

Roger Connor ------ 1885 NL
Roger Connor ------ 1890 PL

Rogers Hornsby ---- 1917 NL
Rogers Hornsby ---- 1920 NL
Rogers Hornsby ---- 1921 NL
Rogers Hornsby ---- 1922 NL
Rogers Hornsby ---- 1924 NL
Rogers Hornsby ---- 1925 NL
Rogers Hornsby ---- 1929 NL

Ronald Acuna Jr. -- 2023 NL

Ross Barnes ------- 1872 NA
Ross Barnes ------- 1873 NA
Ross Barnes ------- 1875 NA
Ross Barnes ------- 1876 NL

Roy Campanella ---- 1951 NL
Roy Campanella ---- 1953 NL

Ryne Sandberg ----- 1984 NL

Sam Thompson ------ 1887 NL

Sherry Magee ------ 1910 NL

Shohei Ohtani ----- 2021 AL
Shohei Otani ------ 2023 AL

Snuffy Stirnweiss - 1944 AL
Snuffy Stirnweiss - 1945 AL

Stan Musial ------- 1943 NL
Stan Musial ------- 1944 NL
Stan Musial ------- 1946 NL
Stan Musial ------- 1948 NL

Ted Williams ------ 1941 AL
Ted Williams ------ 1942 AL
Ted Williams ------ 1946 AL
Ted Williams ------ 1947 AL
Ted Williams ------ 1949 AL

Tip O'Neill ------- 1887 AA

Tommy Holmes ------ 1945 NL

Tris Speaker ------ 1912 AL
Tris Speaker ------ 1916 AL

Ty Cobb ----------- 1907 AL
Ty Cobb ----------- 1908 AL
Ty Cobb ----------- 1909 AL
Ty Cobb ----------- 1911 AL
Ty Cobb ----------- 1915 AL
Ty Cobb ----------- 1917 AL

Vladimir Guerrero - 2004 AL

Will Clark -------- 1989 NL

Willie Keeler ----- 1897 NL

Willie Mays ------- 1954 NL
Willie Mays ------- 1955 NL
Willie Mays ------- 1958 NL
Willie Mays ------- 1962 NL
Willie Mays ------- 1964 NL
Willie Mays ------- 1965 NL

Willie McCovey ---- 1968 NL
Willie McCovey ---- 1969 NL

Willie McGee ------ 1985 NL

Willie Stargell --- 1971 NL

Yogi Berra -------- 1951 AL
Yogi Berra -------- 1952 AL
Yogi Berra -------- 1954 AL

Zack Wheat -------- 1916 NL

Zoilo Versalles --- 1965 AL

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 12:10:54 -0800 (PST), Bill B <bbug2@optonline.net>
wrote:

Are you going to revise your DDD list of favorite TV shows?

will someone please supply a link, I just can't find it using varied
search criteria within DDD

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 11:45:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

I'm bored with so called "normal activities", I am above normal.
I need more to satisfy my superior intellect.

I'm sure a majority of members here can relate to that, including Bill

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On 12/6/2023 10:21 AM, Bruce wrote:

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 9:54:33 AM UTC-5, Bill B wrote:

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 9:40:46 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 5:38:57 AM UTC-5, Bill B wrote:

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 11:43:35 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:27:05 PM UTC-5, RWC wrote:

On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 12:10:54 -0800 (PST), Bill B <>
wrote:

Are you going to revise your DDD list of favorite TV shows?

will someone please supply a link, I just can't find it using varied >>>>>> search criteria within DDD

I did not notice that before. None of my DDD lists have anything to do with my personal favorites, and there is no list of TV shows.

I was afraid it might be the case that it wasn't a DDD list, but wasn't about to search.

Yes, we get it, the 45 seconds required to check on it was too big of a project for you to undertake.

Not too big. Not worth it.

Yes, why waste 45 seconds to make sure you are accurate. You could read a page of crime fiction with those 45 seconds instead.

Here is the relative to this discussion definition of project.

an individual or collaborative enterprise that is carefully planned to achieve a particular aim.

How does one think that reading a book is a project?

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Reading a book is a project if you're reading it and taking notes for research--like a student reading several novels to compare and contrast
them for a term paper, or a historian reading previous biographies of
his or her subject. Reading for pleasure is not a project.

I has spoken.

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On 12/6/2023 11:45 AM, Bill B wrote:

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC-5, DianeE wrote:

Reading a book is a project if you're reading it and taking notes for
research--like a student reading several novels to compare and contrast
them for a term paper, or a historian reading previous biographies of
his or her subject. Reading for pleasure is not a project.

I has spoken.

Or if you are Bruce and have been asked to read a book. I believe Bruce's views on books are as mistaken as those on lyrics.

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They're not his *views* on books. They're his *feelings* about books.
He hasn't read enough fiction to form views about it. He just knows he
doesn't like it.

He's the same way about yogurt.

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