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  • Some Tributes To Jerry Lee

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 28 10:05:13 2023
    Many singers have paid tribute to Jerry Lee Lewis over the years, praising his talent, style and legacy. Here are some of their quotes:

    Elton John: "Jerry Lee Lewis was always a big influence on me. He’s the best rock ‘n’ roll pianist ever. I couldn’t play like him because he’s too fast." John also performed at the 25th anniversary of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2009,
    and called him “the greatest living rock and roll legend” on stage.

    Ringo Starr: "God bless Jerry Lee Lewis peace and love to all his family Ringo." Starr tweeted this message after Lewis’s death, expressing his condolences and admiration. Starr also joined him on stage at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles in 1981 &
    was a regular concert attendant.

    Dennis Quaid: "He was the first rock star. He was the first one to have that kind of attitude, that swagger. He was the original bad boy of rock and roll." Quaid portrayed Lewis in the 1989 biopic Great Balls of Fire, and became friendly with him. He
    also recorded a song with Lewis, “Crazy arms”, for the movie soundtrack.

    Bruce Springsteen: "Jerry Lee Lewis is rock ‘n’ roll’s first great wild man and one of its first great tragedies. He was the first rocker to show us the possibilities of the piano in rock. He was an inspiration to me and to every kid who ever
    wanted to rock." Springsteen wrote this in the liner notes of Lewis’s 2006 album Last Man Standing, which featured duets with various artists, including Springsteen himself.

    Bob Dylan: "Jerry Lee Lewis is the best there is. He’s the last of the great rock and rollers. He’s the only one who can match me for intensity and integrity." Dylan said this in a 1986 interview with Rolling Stone, and also praised Lewis’s gospel
    albums. Lewis covered Dylan's "Rita May" in the 70s

    Mick Jagger: "Jerry Lee Lewis is one of the all-time greats. He’s a master of dynamics and an electrifying performer. He can rock you, roll you, and then he can break your heart." Jagger said this in a 2004 interview with Mojo, and also revealed that
    he once asked Lewis for piano lessons. Jagger and Lewis collaborated several times last on a cover of “Dead Flowers” for Lewis’s 2010 album Mean Old Man.

    John Lennon: "Jerry Lee Lewis is one of the few people that I’ve ever seen who can really rock. He’s got that thing, that feeling. He’s a great musician and a great singer."1 Lennon was a fan of Lewis since his childhood, and met him in 1974 at the
    Record Plant studio in Los Angeles, where they jammed together.

    Keith Richards: "Jerry Lee Lewis is the man. He’s the one who started it all. He’s the original wild man of rock and roll. He’s got more fire in his little finger than most people have in their whole body." Richards played guitar & joined him on
    stage at the Salute TV Special in 1983.

    Chuck Berry: "Jerry Lee Lewis is a very influential force in rock and roll. He’s a very unique performer. He’s very versatile. He can play anything from country to gospel to rock and roll. He’s a very talented man."

    Johnny Cash: "Jerry Lee Lewis is one of my heroes. He’s a genius. He’s one of the greatest entertainers who ever lived. He’s a friend of mine. He’s a fellow rebel. He’s a brother." Cash and Lewis were both signed to Sun Records in the 1950s,
    and toured together in the 1950s.

    Dolly Parton: "Jerry Lee Lewis is a legend. He’s an icon. He’s a pioneer. He’s a trailblazer. He’s a superstar. He’s a rock and roll king. He’s a country music master. He’s a gospel music giant. He’s a living legend."Parton sang with
    Lewis on her TV Show

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 28 20:54:53 2023
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a
    pioneer.

    "He's a gospel music giant."

    Someone please list some of his gospel recordings, enough to convince
    us that he's a giant in this genre.

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  • From Bob Roman@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Nov 28 18:37:24 2023
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:54:58 PM UTC-5, RWC wrote:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a pioneer.

    "He was rock & roll's first great wild man and also rock & roll's first great eclectic. Ignoring all manner of musical boundaries is something that has not only allowed his music to have wide variety, but to survive the fads and fashions as well. Whether
    singing a melancholy country ballad, a lowdown blues, or a blazing rocker, Lewis' wholesale commitment to the moment brings forth performances that are totally grounded in his personality and all singularly of one piece. Like the recordings of Hank
    Williams, Louis Armstrong, and few others, Jerry Lee's early recorded work is one of the most amazing collections of American music in existence. He mixed genres in the way he syncopated his rhythms on the piano; his left hand generally played a rock-
    solid boogie pattern while his right played the high keys with much flamboyant filigree and showiness, equal parts gospel fervor and Liberace showmanship. While his influence will continue to loom large until there's no one left to play rock & roll piano
    anymore, the plain truth is that there's only one Jerry Lee Lewis and American music will never see another like him."
    -- Cub Koda

    --
    BR

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Nov 28 19:18:59 2023
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:54:58 PM UTC-5, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a pioneer.

    "He's a gospel music giant."

    Someone please list some of his gospel recordings, enough to convince
    us that he's a giant in this genre.

    Check out Samp's Jerry Lee Lewis page:

    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-bio/Jerry_Lee_Lewis.html

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to RWC on Wed Nov 29 10:52:30 2023
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:54:53 -0500, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "He's a gospel music giant."

    Someone please list some of his gospel recordings, enough to convince
    us that he's a giant in this genre.

    as a youngster, Lewis absorbed Gospel in church

    Mercury Gospel album - 1971 https://www.discogs.com/release/15249945-Jerry-Lee-Lewis-In-Loving-Memories-The-Jerry-Lee-Lewis-Gospel-Album

    audio for all ten album tracks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xDdgpUWnEE&list=OLAK5uy_nqE2EgRDOXp7ehZi9KG9Fx5hucSuRlid8

    The Caribou Ranch Gospel Songs - rec. 1980-86, 9 tracks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78MM7eJigs

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 12:26:56 2023
    Jerry Lee helping to sell Persil laundry capsules in current UK TV ad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq6p13tm_Kk

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to RWC on Wed Nov 29 16:51:56 2023
    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a pioneer.
    ----------
    It's quite simple. When you hear a record you've never heard before,
    you will know *instantly* when it's JLL playing the piano. No one else
    sounds like him. He was a virtuoso, and he was utterly unique.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Wed Nov 29 21:27:07 2023
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a
    pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of enterprise or development

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk on Wed Nov 29 22:16:24 2023
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:26:56 -0800 (PST), Roger Ford <mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    Jerry Lee helping to sell Persil laundry capsules in current UK TV ad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq6p13tm_Kk

    if the royalties were affordable the Iggy Pop version would have been
    more appropriate for a modern audience I think; the Jerry Lee version
    perhaps went for a song :)

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  • From Dean F.@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Nov 29 22:28:54 2023
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:05:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

    Dennis Quaid: "He was the first rock star. He was the first one to have that kind of attitude, that swagger. He was the original bad boy of rock and roll." Quaid portrayed Lewis in the 1989 biopic Great Balls of Fire, and
    became friendly with him. He also recorded a song with Lewis, “Crazy arms”, for the movie soundtrack.

    When JLL first read the script to "Great Balls of Fire," he angrily wrote the word "lies" on every page.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to Dean F. on Wed Nov 29 23:58:01 2023
    On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 06:28:55 UTC, Dean F. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:05:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

    Dennis Quaid: "He was the first rock star. He was the first one to have that kind of attitude, that swagger. He was the original bad boy of rock and roll." Quaid portrayed Lewis in the 1989 biopic Great Balls of Fire, and
    became friendly with him. He also recorded a song with Lewis, “Crazy arms”, for the movie soundtrack.

    When JLL first read the script to "Great Balls of Fire," he angrily wrote the word "lies" on every page.

    Hopefully one day someone will make the movie Jerry Lee really deserves to have made of his life and times to supplant the overly cartoonish Quaid version

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to RWC on Thu Nov 30 06:27:20 2023
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a
    pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white
    R&R piano star.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Thu Nov 30 10:21:30 2023
    On 11/30/2023 7:35 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 11:27:24 UTC, DianeE wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a >>>>> pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of
    enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white
    R&R piano star.

    Merrill Moore might disagree with that

    From 1953 his best record (IMO) "House Of Blue Lights" certainly qualifies as rock 'n' roll in my book

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VzTjoXcPc
    ---------
    It may have crossed the line into R&R, but it was still conventional
    (even if impressive) boogie-woogie piano playing. As I said above,
    JLL's piano playing broke the boundaries and did not sound like anyone
    else's piano playing!

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 12:03:59 2023
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 06:29:42 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:35:06?AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 11:27:24 UTC, DianeE wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
    wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a >> > >>> pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of
    enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white
    R&R piano star.
    Merrill Moore might disagree with that

    From 1953 his best record (IMO) "House Of Blue Lights" certainly qualifies as rock 'n' roll in my book

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VzTjoXcPc

    Diane said "R&R Piano """Star""". Moore was never a star.

    Being a star, by itself, is irrelevant when deciding if a person is a
    pioneer.

    Being a pioneer is about meaningfully influencing the future.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to RWC on Thu Nov 30 12:34:18 2023
    On 11/30/2023 12:03 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 06:29:42 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:35:06?AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 11:27:24 UTC, DianeE wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote: >>>>>
    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a >>>>>>> pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of >>>>> enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white >>>> R&R piano star.
    Merrill Moore might disagree with that

    From 1953 his best record (IMO) "House Of Blue Lights" certainly qualifies as rock 'n' roll in my book

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VzTjoXcPc

    Diane said "R&R Piano """Star""". Moore was never a star.

    Being a star, by itself, is irrelevant when deciding if a person is a pioneer.

    Being a pioneer is about meaningfully influencing the future.
    -----------
    Do you seriously think Leon Russell, Elton John, and Billy Joel were not meaningfully influenced by JLL?

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to DianeE on Thu Nov 30 17:18:00 2023
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:34:18 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/30/2023 12:03 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 06:29:42 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:35:06?AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 11:27:24 UTC, DianeE wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a >>>>>>>> pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of >>>>>> enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white >>>>> R&R piano star.
    Merrill Moore might disagree with that

    From 1953 his best record (IMO) "House Of Blue Lights" certainly qualifies as rock 'n' roll in my book

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VzTjoXcPc

    Diane said "R&R Piano """Star""". Moore was never a star.

    Being a star, by itself, is irrelevant when deciding if a person is a
    pioneer.

    Being a pioneer is about meaningfully influencing the future.
    -----------
    Do you seriously think Leon Russell, Elton John, and Billy Joel were not >meaningfully influenced by JLL?

    The documentary "The Union" about the making of the record Elton John
    made with Leon is most interesting. Leon influenced (or so he
    claims") Elton very much. I think that film says a lot about both of
    those guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM_JRG1b1Jo

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Jim Colegrove on Thu Nov 30 18:59:43 2023
    On 11/30/2023 6:18 PM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:34:18 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:
    -----------
    Jim, would I be wrong if I said JLL was playing boogie woogie but
    without the shuffle beat?

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Thu Nov 30 22:29:36 2023
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:34:18 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/30/2023 12:03 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 06:29:42 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:35:06?AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 11:27:24 UTC, DianeE wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a >>>>>>>> pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of >>>>>> enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white >>>>> R&R piano star.
    Merrill Moore might disagree with that

    From 1953 his best record (IMO) "House Of Blue Lights" certainly qualifies as rock 'n' roll in my book

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VzTjoXcPc

    Diane said "R&R Piano """Star""". Moore was never a star.

    Being a star, by itself, is irrelevant when deciding if a person is a
    pioneer.

    Being a pioneer is about meaningfully influencing the future.
    -----------
    Do you seriously think Leon Russell, Elton John, and Billy Joel were not >meaningfully influenced by JLL?

    Being a pioneer is more than what I said; apologies, my omission.

    None of these artists performed like JLL did, either in the
    aggressive extroverted way he played the piano or the way he got his
    audience excited with his facial expressions (eg looking like a
    trapped wild animal on occasion) and body movements (eg playing with
    his feet).

    The fact these artists said they were influenced by JLL does
    not, in itself, make him a pioneer.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to RWC on Fri Dec 1 06:20:49 2023
    On 11/30/2023 10:29 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:34:18 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/30/2023 12:03 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 06:29:42 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:35:06?AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 11:27:24 UTC, DianeE wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a >>>>>>>>> pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of >>>>>>> enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white >>>>>> R&R piano star.
    Merrill Moore might disagree with that

    From 1953 his best record (IMO) "House Of Blue Lights" certainly qualifies as rock 'n' roll in my book

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VzTjoXcPc

    Diane said "R&R Piano """Star""". Moore was never a star.

    Being a star, by itself, is irrelevant when deciding if a person is a
    pioneer.

    Being a pioneer is about meaningfully influencing the future.
    -----------
    Do you seriously think Leon Russell, Elton John, and Billy Joel were not
    meaningfully influenced by JLL?

    Being a pioneer is more than what I said; apologies, my omission.

    None of these artists performed like JLL did, either in the
    aggressive extroverted way he played the piano or the way he got his
    audience excited with his facial expressions (eg looking like a
    trapped wild animal on occasion) and body movements (eg playing with
    his feet).

    The fact these artists said they were influenced by JLL does
    not, in itself, make him a pioneer.
    -------------
    Okay, well whatever. You keep redefining "pioneer" so that JLL is
    excluded from that category. This in no way changes his status as a
    giant of 1950s R&R. I am done with this discussion.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Dec 1 07:35:33 2023
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 06:20:49 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/30/2023 10:29 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:34:18 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/30/2023 12:03 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 06:29:42 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:35:06?AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 11:27:24 UTC, DianeE wrote:
    On 11/29/2023 9:27 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:51:56 -0500, DianeE <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On 11/28/2023 8:54 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:05:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    I have and always will enjoy JLL's best, but

    Dolly Parton:

    "Jerry Lee Lewis is a pioneer / trailblazer."

    Someone, please elaborate, enough to convince us that he was indeed a
    pioneer.
    ----------
    ... No one else sounds like him ... he was utterly unique

    Pioneer: a person that is first or among the earliest in any field of >>>>>>>> enterprise or development
    -----------
    Okay, I'll say what you seem to need me to say. He was the first white >>>>>>> R&R piano star.
    Merrill Moore might disagree with that

    From 1953 his best record (IMO) "House Of Blue Lights" certainly qualifies as rock 'n' roll in my book

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VzTjoXcPc

    Diane said "R&R Piano """Star""". Moore was never a star.

    Being a star, by itself, is irrelevant when deciding if a person is a
    pioneer.

    Being a pioneer is about meaningfully influencing the future.
    -----------
    Do you seriously think Leon Russell, Elton John, and Billy Joel were not >>> meaningfully influenced by JLL?

    Being a pioneer is more than what I said; apologies, my omission.

    None of these artists performed like JLL did, either in the
    aggressive extroverted way he played the piano or the way he got his
    audience excited with his facial expressions (eg looking like a
    trapped wild animal on occasion) and body movements (eg playing with
    his feet).

    The fact these artists said they were influenced by JLL does
    not, in itself, make him a pioneer.
    -------------
    Okay, well whatever. You keep redefining "pioneer" so that JLL is
    excluded from that category. This in no way changes his status as a
    giant of 1950s R&R. I am done with this discussion.

    Honestly, that was a response I was more than half expecting,
    especially the 'keep redefining' and 'I'm done' components.
    I've poorly managed this discussion, in particular by not putting
    sufficient thought/homework into more thoroughly defining 'pioneer'
    early in the piece - not helped by what I consider to be brief and
    inadequate dictionary definitions.

    Instinctively, no matter how great a rock 'n' roll icon he is, I don't
    think JLL was a pioneer, one problem being, ironically, that even if
    he was very unique, which I accept, he continued to be very unique
    *through future time* - nobody famous has come close to emulating
    some of his outstanding attributes.

    Alvino Rey, the slide guitarist and 40s band leader, 'was' a pioneer.
    "Rey was the first to find a way to make a guitar speak and sing,
    setting the stage for Pete Drake {1964} and {mid-70s} Peter Frampton
    and his talkbox, though Rey had a stealthy way of doing it: he had his
    wife {Yvonne King} hide behind a curtain, using a throat contact mic
    to sing (a technique invented in 1939 whereby the words/sounds are
    just mouthed) {while Rey played his connected slide guitar for the
    melody}."
    Here is talking guitar "Stringy" singing "St. Louis Blues" from the
    1944 comedy musical "Jam Session":
    https://youtu.be/6NL4S0e8S90

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Dec 1 07:01:56 2023
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 18:59:43 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 11/30/2023 6:18 PM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 12:34:18 -0500, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote: >-----------
    Jim, would I be wrong if I said JLL was playing boogie woogie but
    without the shuffle beat?

    I think that's right on some of his reacords, others not so much.

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