REVIEW - Bill Haley & The Comets - "Real Rock Drive" - ESSEX 310;OCTOBER 1952
https://www.spontaneouslunacy.net/bill-haley-the-comets-real-rock-drive-essex-310/#more-94205
YOUTUBE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w77xXbch__o
"You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two year old country record called Tennessee Jive
by Buck Turner’s group, almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever originality we want
to credit him for. His only crucial addition was the new title and the emphasis on rock in the lyrics"
4 Bill Haley & His Comets – Real Rock Drive – Essex 310
15 Tommy Ridgley - Looped - Imperial 5203
SPONTANEOUS LUNACY VERDICT: 2/10
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group, almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever originality we want to credit him for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group,
wrote:
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group, almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever originality we want to credit him for.Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group, almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever originality we want to credit him for.Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 19:04:48 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group,
wrote:
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever
originality we want to credit him for.
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock
Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
The timeline here as I understand it :-
Dave Miller was still promoting the Haley "Real Rock Drive" single with big ads in both BB and CB in late January 1953
(no doubt financed by the huge then-current chart success of Miller's great hit---Don Howard's "Oh Happy Day" ).
It was April 1953 before "Crazy Man Crazy" appeared (with an ad in the April 25 BB proclaiming "100,000 sold in 15 days")
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group, almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever originality we want to credit him for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
On 11/28/2023 7:36 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 19:04:48 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group, >> almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever
wrote:
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
originality we want to credit him for.
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and >> see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock >> Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
The timeline here as I understand it :-
Dave Miller was still promoting the Haley "Real Rock Drive" single with big ads in both BB and CB in late January 1953
(no doubt financed by the huge then-current chart success of Miller's great hit---Don Howard's "Oh Happy Day" ).
It was April 1953 before "Crazy Man Crazy" appeared (with an ad in the April 25 BB proclaiming "100,000 sold in 15 days")
------------
Hmm, I guess Bullet "instantly recognized it" but it took a few months
to take it to court.
On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 15:05:43 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/28/2023 7:36 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 19:04:48 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>originality we want to credit him for.
wrote:
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two >> year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group, >> almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock >> Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
The timeline here as I understand it :-
Dave Miller was still promoting the Haley "Real Rock Drive" single with big ads in both BB and CB in late January 1953
(no doubt financed by the huge then-current chart success of Miller's great hit---Don Howard's "Oh Happy Day" ).
It was April 1953 before "Crazy Man Crazy" appeared (with an ad in the April 25 BB proclaiming "100,000 sold in 15 days")
------------But DID it actually get to court?
Hmm, I guess Bullet "instantly recognized it" but it took a few months
to take it to court.
I'm sure Jim Bulleit complained about the situation to Dave Miller but I can find no record of any proper litigation taking place.
The Swenson Haley biography doesn't mention the matter at all nor is there any mention of it in Billboard or Cash Box or at any online source as far as I can see
Anybody have anything more substantial in this matter?
On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 20:11:15 UTC, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 15:05:43 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/28/2023 7:36 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 19:04:48 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> >>> wrote:year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group,
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever
originality we want to credit him for.
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their >> Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock
Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
The timeline here as I understand it :-
Dave Miller was still promoting the Haley "Real Rock Drive" single with big ads in both BB and CB in late January 1953
(no doubt financed by the huge then-current chart success of Miller's great hit---Don Howard's "Oh Happy Day" ).
It was April 1953 before "Crazy Man Crazy" appeared (with an ad in the April 25 BB proclaiming "100,000 sold in 15 days")
to go after.------------But DID it actually get to court?
Hmm, I guess Bullet "instantly recognized it" but it took a few months to take it to court.
I'm sure Jim Bulleit complained about the situation to Dave Miller but I can find no record of any proper litigation taking place.
The Swenson Haley biography doesn't mention the matter at all nor is there any mention of it in Billboard or Cash Box or at any online source as far as I can see
Anybody have anything more substantial in this matter?What Diane said:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
seems to be what happened. When you sue somebody most of the time there is no litigation. The matter gets settled before any trial ever takes place. Looks like Essex stopped selling the item, and doubtful that there were any real proceeds for Bullet
That last bit doesn't sit well with my earlier statement that Miller was still taking out big ads in BB and CB in late January 1953 plugging the "Real Rock Drive" single so it was obviously still very much on sale at least into February. I guess mostof its regular sales would be over by then anyway
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 15:05:43 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/28/2023 7:36 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 19:04:48 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group,
wrote:
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever >> originality we want to credit him for.
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized >> it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock
Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
The timeline here as I understand it :-
Dave Miller was still promoting the Haley "Real Rock Drive" single with big ads in both BB and CB in late January 1953
(no doubt financed by the huge then-current chart success of Miller's great hit---Don Howard's "Oh Happy Day" ).
It was April 1953 before "Crazy Man Crazy" appeared (with an ad in the April 25 BB proclaiming "100,000 sold in 15 days")
go after.------------But DID it actually get to court?
Hmm, I guess Bullet "instantly recognized it" but it took a few months to take it to court.
I'm sure Jim Bulleit complained about the situation to Dave Miller but I can find no record of any proper litigation taking place.
The Swenson Haley biography doesn't mention the matter at all nor is there any mention of it in Billboard or Cash Box or at any online source as far as I can see
Anybody have anything more substantial in this matter?What Diane said:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
seems to be what happened. When you sue somebody most of the time there is no litigation. The matter gets settled before any trial ever takes place. Looks like Essex stopped selling the item, and doubtful that there were any real proceeds for Bullet to
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 3:34:05 PM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 20:11:15 UTC, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 15:05:43 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/28/2023 7:36 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 19:04:48 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> >>> wrote:year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group,
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two
almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever
originality we want to credit him for.
https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their >> Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock
Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
The timeline here as I understand it :-
Dave Miller was still promoting the Haley "Real Rock Drive" single with big ads in both BB and CB in late January 1953
(no doubt financed by the huge then-current chart success of Miller's great hit---Don Howard's "Oh Happy Day" ).
It was April 1953 before "Crazy Man Crazy" appeared (with an ad in the April 25 BB proclaiming "100,000 sold in 15 days")
Bullet to go after.------------But DID it actually get to court?
Hmm, I guess Bullet "instantly recognized it" but it took a few months
to take it to court.
I'm sure Jim Bulleit complained about the situation to Dave Miller but I can find no record of any proper litigation taking place.
The Swenson Haley biography doesn't mention the matter at all nor is there any mention of it in Billboard or Cash Box or at any online source as far as I can see
Anybody have anything more substantial in this matter?What Diane said:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
seems to be what happened. When you sue somebody most of the time there is no litigation. The matter gets settled before any trial ever takes place. Looks like Essex stopped selling the item, and doubtful that there were any real proceeds for
of its regular sales would be over by then anywayThat last bit doesn't sit well with my earlier statement that Miller was still taking out big ads in BB and CB in late January 1953 plugging the "Real Rock Drive" single so it was obviously still very much on sale at least into February. I guess most
I think that all depends on the word "instantly." It looks like the law suit was filed later than it would appear from that word. Probably more like late February or early March.
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:to go after.
On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 15:05:43 UTC, DianeE wrote:
On 11/28/2023 7:36 AM, Roger Ford wrote:But DID it actually get to court?
On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 19:04:48 UTC, DianeE wrote:------------
On 11/27/2023 10:04 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 06:17:27 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>https://hillbillycountry.blogspot.com/2022/04/tani-allen-and-his-tennessee-pals.html
wrote:
Samp:
You won’t be surprised to find that Haley ripped it off from a two >>>>> year old country record called Tennessee Jive by Buck Turner’s group, >>>>> almost word for word in fact, which obviously detracts from whatever >>>>> originality we want to credit him for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk23vaaZA8
More on the "Jive" record here:
-------------
Thanks Jim. Here's the most interesting part:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized >>>>> it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and >>>>> see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock >>>>> Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
The timeline here as I understand it :-
Dave Miller was still promoting the Haley "Real Rock Drive" single with big ads in both BB and CB in late January 1953
(no doubt financed by the huge then-current chart success of Miller's great hit---Don Howard's "Oh Happy Day" ).
It was April 1953 before "Crazy Man Crazy" appeared (with an ad in the April 25 BB proclaiming "100,000 sold in 15 days")
Hmm, I guess Bullet "instantly recognized it" but it took a few months
to take it to court.
I'm sure Jim Bulleit complained about the situation to Dave Miller but I can find no record of any proper litigation taking place.
The Swenson Haley biography doesn't mention the matter at all nor is there any mention of it in Billboard or Cash Box or at any online source as far as I can see
Anybody have anything more substantial in this matter?
What Diane said:
...when the Haley single hit the market, Bullet instantly recognized
it was actually a song from their own catalog (published by their
Volunteer firm) and sued Essex (despite Buck Turner's advice to wait and
see if Haley's version show signs of success). Essex removed "Real Rock Drive" from the market and instead released "Crazy Man, Crazy".
seems to be what happened. When you sue somebody most of the time there is no litigation. The matter gets settled before any trial ever takes place. Looks like Essex stopped selling the item, and doubtful that there were any real proceeds for Bullet
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