I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

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On 11/11/2023 3:44 PM, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

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I don't remember that, but Republicans believe that dead people can and
do vote, so a check of the Nashville voter registration rolls should
settle the matter.

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:32:02 -0500, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:44:39 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Are we scraping the barrel for topics in this newsgroup, or what?

Bruce, your recent cover posts seem to be all over the place, and
unfairly as a consequence it's possible that not all have been
listened to and appreciated.

Perhaps you could gather up all these cover posts and re-post
under a centralized new topic.

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:44:39 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Are we scraping the barrel for topics in this newsgroup, or what?

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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:19:13 PM UTC-5, Rick Schubert wrote:

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:44:39 -0800 (PST), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

In this thread:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s/c/Gd9DwVfLv4o/m/7TkWKs3Qb8EJ

you wrote:

And yet he was a Republican.

referring to Fred.

and in this one:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s/c/6SQlnU5B3Rw/m/bi-OR2s0LhgJ

RocketMan wrote this in directed at him:

Typical republican coward.

Thanks Rick. I had forgotten all about Rocky. I just read the entire thread. I don't think we have had any blowups like that since Peneny stopped coming around regularly and since I bounced Pendragon from the group. No trace of that kind of hostility
around here. Just an occasional friendly disagreement here and there.

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:44:39 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

In this thread:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s/c/Gd9DwVfLv4o/m/7TkWKs3Qb8EJ

you wrote:

And yet he was a Republican.

referring to Fred.

and in this one:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s/c/6SQlnU5B3Rw/m/bi-OR2s0LhgJ

RocketMan wrote this in directed at him:

Typical republican coward.

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On 11/11/2023 5:19 PM, Rick Schubert wrote:

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 12:44:39 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com> wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

In this thread:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s/c/Gd9DwVfLv4o/m/7TkWKs3Qb8EJ

you wrote:

And yet he was a Republican.

referring to Fred.

and in this one:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s/c/6SQlnU5B3Rw/m/bi-OR2s0LhgJ

RocketMan wrote this in directed at him:

Typical republican coward.

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Man, that was painful to read.

What a sick fuck that Fred was. (Rocky was a weirdo -- I had completely forgotten about him.)

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He's been dead for about 12 years. Why the necrophilia?

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On 11/12/2023 5:32 AM, Dean F. wrote:

He's been dead for about 12 years. Why the necrophilia?

-----------
Good question, but it's definitely worth remembering what a toxic force
social media can be.

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On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 7:23:06 AM UTC-5, DianeE wrote:

Good question, but it's definitely worth remembering what a toxic force social media can be.

I'm on Facebook. Trust me, I know what a toxic force social media can be!

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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 6:10:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

Thanks Rick. I had forgotten all about Rocky. I just read the entire thread. I don't think we have had any blowups like that since Peneny stopped coming around regularly and since I bounced Pendragon from the
group. No trace of that kind of hostility around here. Just an occasional friendly disagreement here and there.

It also helps that Sharx hasn't been around in several years. Perhaps he finally did the world a favor and dropped dead.

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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Yes, Fred was a Republican. He was a friend of Sam Moore and had a hand in getting Moore to perform "I'm a Dole Man" at Bob Dole rallies (before Isaac Hayes sent a cease and desist order).

Fred was a fiscal conservative, and I don't think he would have been a Trump supporter. He commented negatively on the crazy wing of his party even in those relatively less crazy times. He was a reach-across-the-aisle pragmatist and did not participate
in culture war nonsense.

--
BR

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 06:31:05 -0800 (PST), Bob Roman
<robertjroman@gmail.com> wrote:

{Fred} was a reach-across-the-aisle pragmatist and did not participate in culture war nonsense.

A reputation Biden brought to the Presidency.

Perhaps this is old news but anyway, despite the recent adverse polls
in the swing states and despite concerns about his age, Biden would
likely beat Trump in '24 if there were no other left-wing candidates,
but we have Kennedy and another guy who could draw sufficient votes
away from Biden to hand Trump the Presidency (subject to legal
proceedings perhaps?)

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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:31:08 AM UTC-5, Bob Roman wrote:

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Yes, Fred was a Republican.

As if we needed ANOTHER reason to hate him!

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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:31:08 AM UTC-5, Bob Roman wrote:

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Fred was a fiscal conservative,

Figures that DOPE fell for the GOP's bullshit. The party only PRETENDS to be fiscally conservative when they are not in charge. During Trump's 4 years they spent like drunken sailors and added 7.8 TRILLION to the national debt. That's 25% of the entire
national debt all from Trump's 4 years. Trump added almost as much to the debt in 4 years as Obama did in 8 years.The only president in the last 40 years who actually REDUCED the debt was Clinton, who was also the only one to balance the budget.

President Reagan increased the debt by $1.86 trillion, or by 186%. Reagan's supply-side economics didn't grow the economy enough to offset the lost revenue from its tax cuts. Reagan also increased the defense budget by 35%.

Debt held by the public reached a high of 49.5% of GDP at the beginning of President Clinton's first term. However, it fell to 34.5% of GDP by the end of Clinton's presidency due in part to decreased military spending, increased taxes (in 1990, 1993 and
1997), and increased tax revenue resulting from the 1990s boom. The budget controls instituted in the 1990s successfully restrained fiscal action by the Congress and the President and together with economic growth contributed to the budget surpluses at
the end of the decade. The surpluses led to a decline in the public debt from about 43% of GDP in 1998 to about 33% by 2001.

George W. Bush (2001-2009)

President Bush added $5.85 trillion to the national debt. That's a 101% increase, putting him in fourth. Bush launched the War on Terror in response to the 9/11 attacks, which led to multi-trillion-dollar spending on the War in Afghanistan and the War in
Iraq. Bush also dealt with the 2001 recession and the 2008 financial crisis.

Barack Obama (2009-2017)

Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most in dollar terms ($8.6 trillion) and was fifth by percentage at 74%. Obama fought the Great Recession with an $831 billion economic stimulus package and added $858 billion through tax cuts. Even
though the fiscal year 2009 budget was set by President Bush, Obama added to it with the Economic Stimulus Act in 2009.

At the end of fiscal year 2020, the debt was $26.9 trillion. Trump added $6.7 trillion to the debt between fiscal year 2017 and fiscal year 2020, a 33.1% increase, largely due to the effects of the coronavirus pandemic and 2020 recession.

In his FY 2021 budget, Trump's budget included a $966 billion deficit. However, the national debt actually grew by $1.5 trillion between October 1, 2020, and October 1, 2021.

Once again, Republican are full of shit. And the disparity between jobs created from the Democrats and Republicans over the past 35 years is even bigger, since Daddy Bush.



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On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 16:15:24 UTC, Bruce wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:31:08 AM UTC-5, Bob Roman wrote:

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Yes, Fred was a Republican.

As if we needed ANOTHER reason to hate him!

Since I suppose I lean gently to the right of politics over here I guess I'd be classed as a (mild) Republican over there

However I'd never vote for Trump but nor would I for Biden. The mere thought of either of them with their finger on that nuke button fills me with dread (and a lot of other folk in the other countries allied to the USA too)

On Fred I have been trying to locate the (quite lengthy as I recall) to-and-fro battle of words he and I had on here some years back when he practically called me (yes me!) a "racist" (!) over some white doowop record that I mentioned. Very amusing. But
I can't recall what record it was nor any other details.. Anybody else here remember this altercation?

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On 11/13/2023 3:42 PM, Roger Ford wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 16:15:24 UTC, Bruce wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:31:08 AM UTC-5, Bob Roman wrote:

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:44:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican.

Anybody know if he was?

Yes, Fred was a Republican.

As if we needed ANOTHER reason to hate him!

Since I suppose I lean gently to the right of politics over here I

guess I'd be classed as a (mild) Republican over there
-------------
At this point there are no "mild" Republicans. They have become the
far-right party. There was a time when I even voted for some of them.
You would be considered a "moderate" (read: conservative) Democrat. -------------->

However I'd never vote for Trump but nor would I for Biden. The mere

thought of either of them with their finger on that nuke button fills me
with dread (and a lot of other folk in the other countries allied to the
USA too)
------------
Don't listen to Rupert Murdoch's people. Biden is quite sane. At least
for now.
-------------->

On Fred I have been trying to locate the (quite lengthy as I recall)

to-and-fro battle of words he and I had on here some years back when he practically called me (yes me!) a "racist" (!) over some white doowop
record that I mentioned. Very amusing. But I can't recall what record it
was nor any other details.. Anybody else here remember this altercation? -----------
I don't, but I was rather shocked yesterday when I realized I had no recollection of "Rocky" at all. It took a while before I vaguely
remembered who he was.

Anyhow, I wouldn't have read your argument with Fred because I finally
threw in the towel and blocked all of his posts. I felt it was cowardly
to do that, but I had enough problems in my life at that time without
adding more grief and rage from his relentless personal attacks.

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:44:13 -0800 (PST), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:31:08?AM UTC-5, Bob Roman wrote:

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:44:41?PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Fred was a fiscal conservative,

Figures that DOPE fell for the GOP's bullshit. The party only PRETENDS to be fiscally conservative when they are not in charge. During Trump's 4 years they spent like drunken sailors and added 7.8 TRILLION to the national debt. That's 25% of the entire

national debt all from Trump's 4 years. Trump added almost as much to the debt in 4 years as Obama did in 8 years.The only president in the last 40 years who actually REDUCED the debt was Clinton, who was also the only one to balance the budget.

...
Debt held by the public reached a high of 49.5% of GDP at the beginning of President Clinton's first term. However, it fell to 34.5% of GDP by the end of Clinton's presidency due in part to decreased military spending, increased taxes (in 1990, 1993 and

1997), and increased tax revenue resulting from the 1990s boom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt

"Publicly held debt is the gross debt minus intra-governmental
obligations (such as the money that the government owes to the two
Social Security Trust Funds, the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability
Insurance program, and the Social Security Disability Insurance
program)."

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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:11:52 PM UTC-5, DianeE wrote:

On 11/13/2023 3:42 PM, Roger Ford wrote:

Since I suppose I lean gently to the right of politics over here I

guess I'd be classed as a (mild) Republican over there
-------------
At this point there are no "mild" Republicans. They have become the far-right party. There was a time when I even voted for some of them.
You would be considered a "moderate" (read: conservative) Democrat.

That's what I was thinking. As I recall, Roger checks a lot of Democratic boxes. I believe he's pro-choice and that he believes in climate change, and that he's not anti gay or trans, so that's 3 of them right there.
I don't think he go along with Republicans who don't want black history to be taught in schools anymore. I THINK he's with us DEMS on gun control.

However I'd never vote for Trump but nor would I for Biden. The mere

thought of either of them with their finger on that nuke button fills me with dread (and a lot of other folk in the other countries allied to the
USA too)

What's your problem with Biden?

I think he's done a great job, but is maybe getting too old for another term. He was the most experienced person ever to be sworn in as president, and that has guided him to 3 very good years so far. He got infrastructure done which Trump couldn't. He
finished up the Covid job much better than Trump did with it. He's added many millions of jobs after Trump had a net loss of jobs for his 4 years. He passed our first anti-gun legislation in decades. It did not go near far enough IMO, but it's something.
He's restore our foreign policy away from sucking the dicks of dictators that Trump was doing.

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:42:10 -0800 (PST), Roger Ford <mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 16:15:24 UTC, Bruce wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:31:08?AM UTC-5, Bob Roman wrote:

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:44:41?PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

I think I remember him once mentioning that he was a republican. Anybody know if he was?

Yes, Fred was a Republican.

As if we needed ANOTHER reason to hate him!

Since I suppose I lean gently to the right of politics over here I guess I'd be classed as a (mild) Republican over there

Does that mean you don't support yesterday's Home Secretary
(approx = Secretary of Homeland Security + overseeing Police)
Suella Braverman (of the ruling Conservative/Tory political party)?

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On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 22:20:26 UTC, Bruce wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:11:52 PM UTC-5, DianeE wrote:

On 11/13/2023 3:42 PM, Roger Ford wrote:

Since I suppose I lean gently to the right of politics over here I

guess I'd be classed as a (mild) Republican over there
-------------
At this point there are no "mild" Republicans. They have become the far-right party. There was a time when I even voted for some of them.
You would be considered a "moderate" (read: conservative) Democrat.

That's what I was thinking. As I recall, Roger checks a lot of Democratic boxes. I believe he's pro-choice and that he believes in climate change, and that he's not anti gay or trans, so that's 3 of them right there.

For the record yes he is pro-choice and he's not anti-gay or anti-trans as long as neither of them is pushed in my face and as long as I don't have to join in with any connected activities

As for climate change,yes its real but as I've said several times before the answer is for us to come up with workable nuclear fusion that will provide clean unlimited power for the foreseeable future and since it should run on water as its fuel that
means it will last as long as the Earth has oceans

I don't think he go along with Republicans who don't want black history to be taught in schools anymore.

I don't think so either

I THINK he's with us DEMS on gun control.

Change "THINK" to "KNOW". I have always had high regard for the USA and its people and I hate to criticize but one really GLARING thing that is wrong with the USA is the proliferation of guns and lack of proper control of same

However I'd never vote for Trump but nor would I for Biden. The mere

thought of either of them with their finger on that nuke button fills me with dread (and a lot of other folk in the other countries allied to the USA too)

What's your problem with Biden?

Again I hate to criticize but my problem with Biden is Biden.

He is surely too stumbling.too forgetful---and just simply just too OLD to run again. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's wrong as a future leader

Especially with his finger on by far the biggest nuclear button in the Western world

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On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:22:53 AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:

On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 22:20:26 UTC, Bruce wrote:

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:11:52 PM UTC-5, DianeE wrote:

On 11/13/2023 3:42 PM, Roger Ford wrote:

Since I suppose I lean gently to the right of politics over here I

guess I'd be classed as a (mild) Republican over there
-------------
At this point there are no "mild" Republicans. They have become the far-right party. There was a time when I even voted for some of them. You would be considered a "moderate" (read: conservative) Democrat.

That's what I was thinking. As I recall, Roger checks a lot of Democratic boxes. I believe he's pro-choice and that he believes in climate change, and that he's not anti gay or trans, so that's 3 of them right there.

For the record yes he is pro-choice and he's not anti-gay or anti-trans as long as neither of them is pushed in my face and as long as I don't have to join in with any connected activities

You won't find many pro-choice Republicans in American politics. Lots of them want a national abortion ban with no expections.

As for climate change,yes its real but as I've said several times before the answer is for us to come up with workable nuclear fusion that will provide clean unlimited power for the foreseeable future and since it should run on water as its fuel that

means it will last as long as the Earth has oceans

A large percentage of our Republicans say that climate change is a hoax.

I don't think he go along with Republicans who don't want black history to be taught in schools anymore.

I don't think so either

I THINK he's with us DEMS on gun control.

Change "THINK" to "KNOW". I have always had high regard for the USA and its people and I hate to criticize but one really GLARING thing that is wrong with the USA is the proliferation of guns and lack of proper control of same

Not one Republican in congress will even vote for universal background checks, let alone for a ban on assault weapons. They are fine with the public being able to buy an AR-15.

However I'd never vote for Trump but nor would I for Biden. The mere

thought of either of them with their finger on that nuke button fills me with dread (and a lot of other folk in the other countries allied to the USA too)

What's your problem with Biden?

Again I hate to criticize but my problem with Biden is Biden.

He is surely too stumbling.too forgetful---and just simply just too OLD to run again. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's wrong as a future leader

I took your "nor would I vote for Biden" to mean that you would not have voted for him in 2020.

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On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:22:53 AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:

Again I hate to criticize but my problem with Biden is Biden.

He is surely too stumbling.too forgetful---and just simply just too OLD to run again. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's wrong as a future leader

I see you've bought into the propaganda.

As a young man, Biden overcame a horrific stutter--an accomplishment of which he is entitled to be proud. So if Biden stumbles over a word here and there, I cut him some slack.

Are you aware that The Former Guy is less than four years younger than Biden? And if you've subjected yourself to even one of his rants or speeches, he couldn't possibly strike you as cognizant.

Finally, here are but a few of Biden's many achievements as president. These statistic are from last June.

- The US has the highest economic growth of all the leading world economies since the pandemic.
- Under 2.5 years of Biden, 13 million jobs have been created in the US--more than any FOUR-year presidential term in history.
- 750,000 of those jobs are in manufacturing, which Biden is bringing back to the US.
- America has the lowest inflation rate in the G7, and it's down 40% from a year ago.
- Unemployment has been at less than 4% for the last 16 months, a record streak.

I would much rather have four more years of this than a president who calls his political opponents "vermin" and and assures his base that he will "crush" them once he's back in office. And let us not forget all the loathsome, juvenile rhetoric; the two
impeachments; the 91 felony charges; the numerous allegations of sexual assault; thee lewd comments he made about his own daughter; and that he tried to overthrow our democracy and led an assault on the Capitol.

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On Tuesday, 14 November 2023 at 07:55:24 UTC, Dean F. wrote:

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:22:53 AM UTC-5, Roger Ford wrote:

Again I hate to criticize but my problem with Biden is Biden.

He is surely too stumbling.too forgetful---and just simply just too OLD to run again. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's wrong as a future leader

I see you've bought into the propaganda.

Not at all. The gentleman has been here to England and I've seen him here on our TV. I base my opinion on what I see

I would much rather have four more years of this than a president who calls his political opponents "vermin" etc

I've already said several times that if I were an American I'd never vote for Trump

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 23:55:22 -0800 (PST), "Dean F."
<soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you aware that {Trump} is less than four years younger than Biden?
And if you've subjected yourself to even one of his rants or speeches, he couldn't possibly strike you as cognizant.

I think you mean hinged, as in unhinged

I would much rather have four more years of {Biden} than a president who calls his political opponents "vermin" and and assures his base that he will "crush" them once he's back in office. And let us not forget all the loathsome, juvenile rhetoric; the

two impeachments; the 91 felony charges; the numerous allegations of sexual assault; thee lewd comments he made about his own daughter; and that he tried to overthrow our democracy and led an assault on the Capitol.

a concisely worded description of Trump's past and future crimes
against a mostly decent and democratic society; I absolutely agree
with you, Dean

I say mostly because Trump's cult-like base apparently supports
Nazi-like fascism

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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:30:35 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

Then WHY would he be a Republican? You mean he fell for their bullshit that they were fiscally conservative?

Who the hell cares? The man has been dead for 11+ years!

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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:31:08 AM UTC-5, Bob Roman wrote:

Yes, Fred was a Republican.

Fred was a fiscal conservative,

Then WHY would he be a Republican? You mean he fell for their bullshit that they were fiscally conservative?

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/401732169_7127387737281935_4762401550412687994_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=vHKxpchlpbgAX_gSPm0&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&cb_e2o_trans=t&oh=00_
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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:39:56 AM UTC-5, Dean F. wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:30:35 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

Then WHY would he be a Republican? You mean he fell for their bullshit that they were fiscally conservative?

Who the hell cares? The man has been dead for 11+ years!

Hey, we talk all the time here about people who have been dead for a lot longer than 11 years....and we did not even know those people.

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