• Is this the America that the MAGA assholes want to go back to?

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 19 21:21:11 2023
    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in Las Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting area behind the kitchen. Cole's
    road manager was given a room in the hotel because he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other accommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sinatra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing room. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. George explained the facts to
    Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining room at the Sands."

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ever happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatra invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down and eat in the the Garden
    Room at the Sands.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 20 06:31:33 2023
    On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in L= >as Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where = >he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting are= >a behind the kitchen. Cole's road manager was given a room in the hotel bec= >ause he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other a= >ccommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.=20

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sin= >atra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing r= >oom. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. Ge= >orge explained the facts to Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining r= >oom at the Sands."=20

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ev= >er happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatr= >a invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down = >and eat in the the Garden Room at the Sands.

    This reminded me of reading about how Sammy Davis Jr was headlining at
    the New Frontier in Vegas in the 50's and took a swim in the hotel
    pool.

    The hotel had the pool drained completely afterwards and re-filled

    Also when Lena Horne played in Vegas the hotel relented on their
    "whites only" guest policy and let her have a room----but they burned
    all her bedsheets each morning

    From personal experience I was reminded of the very first time I
    visited the USA in 1968---when strolling through W.C Handy Park in
    Memphis and noting the twin drinking water fountains on either side of
    the walkway

    One marked WHITES ONLY the other COLOREDS ONLY

    And before anyone asks,no I wasn't thirsty :)

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  • From Dean F.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 20 00:42:31 2023
    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to soulexpress@gmail.com on Tue Jun 20 14:56:22 2023
    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F."
    <soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

    MAGA?

    To do with Trump I guess....

    His favorite "Make America Great Again" phrase I suppose


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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger Ford on Tue Jun 20 12:05:24 2023
    On 6/20/2023 10:56 AM, Roger Ford wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F."
    <soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

    MAGA?

    To do with Trump I guess....

    His favorite "Make America Great Again" phrase I suppose
    ------
    Yes. They wear it on their ridiculous hats.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 20 15:07:09 2023
    On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in Las Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting area behind the kitchen. Cole's
    road manager was given a room in the hotel because he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other accommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sinatra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing room. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. George explained the facts to
    Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining room at the Sands."

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ever happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatra invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down and eat in the the Garden
    Room at the Sands.

    Bruce, I'm not a fan of the MAGA crowd, but this is misleading
    propaganda that brings to mind Joseph Goebbels.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Jun 20 19:02:40 2023
    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:29:53 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:56:22 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F."
    <soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

    MAGA?

    To do with Trump I guess....

    His favorite "Make America Great Again" phrase I suppose

    Roger, it was only yesterday that I accidentally learnt that for Brits >'trump' is slang for 'fart' :)

    Maybe up north??

    Never heard it used that way down here in London area

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Ford on Tue Jun 20 14:29:53 2023
    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:56:22 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F."
    <soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

    MAGA?

    To do with Trump I guess....

    His favorite "Make America Great Again" phrase I suppose

    Roger, it was only yesterday that I accidentally learnt that for Brits
    'trump' is slang for 'fart' :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Dennis C on Tue Jun 20 12:38:44 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:37:04 PM UTC-4, Dennis C wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:07:13 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
    wrote:
    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in Las Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting area behind the kitchen.
    Cole's road manager was given a room in the hotel because he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other accommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sinatra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing room. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. George explained the facts
    to Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining room at the Sands."

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ever happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatra invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down and eat in the the
    Garden Room at the Sands.
    Bruce, I'm not a fan of the MAGA crowd, but this is misleading
    propaganda that brings to mind Joseph Goebbels.
    Yeah Ole Blue Eyes was a real mensch when it came to the elitist blacks.

    Never heard of him doing dick about the poor blacks on the streets of Newark.

    Wrong as usual. Frank was a huge tipper and he took care of all those folks, doormen, waiters, airport and train guys, etc..

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  • From Dennis C@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Jun 20 12:37:03 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:07:13 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
    wrote:
    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in Las Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting area behind the kitchen. Cole'
    s road manager was given a room in the hotel because he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other accommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sinatra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing room. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. George explained the facts
    to Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining room at the Sands."

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ever happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatra invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down and eat in the the Garden
    Room at the Sands.
    Bruce, I'm not a fan of the MAGA crowd, but this is misleading
    propaganda that brings to mind Joseph Goebbels.

    Yeah Ole Blue Eyes was a real mensch when it came to the elitist blacks.

    Never heard of him doing dick about the poor blacks on the streets of Newark.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Jun 20 16:10:48 2023
    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:07:09 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in Las Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting area behind the kitchen. Cole'
    s road manager was given a room in the hotel because he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other accommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sinatra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing room. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. George explained the facts to
    Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining room at the Sands."

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ever happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatra invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down and eat in the the Garden
    Room at the Sands.

    Bruce, I'm not a fan of the MAGA crowd, but this is misleading
    propaganda that brings to mind Joseph Goebbels.

    'misleading' is meant to refer to the implied future actions
    of MAGA supporters

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Ford on Tue Jun 20 15:46:10 2023
    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 19:02:40 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:29:53 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:56:22 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F." >>><soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

    MAGA?

    To do with Trump I guess....

    His favorite "Make America Great Again" phrase I suppose

    Roger, it was only yesterday that I accidentally learnt that for Brits >>'trump' is slang for 'fart' :)

    Never heard it used that way down here in London area

    Maybe up north??

    Also in middle England such as in the county (state) of Derbyshire.

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  • From Roger Ford@21:1/5 to RWC on Wed Jun 21 13:48:52 2023
    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:46:10 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 19:02:40 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:29:53 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:56:22 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F." >>>><soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

    MAGA?

    To do with Trump I guess....

    His favorite "Make America Great Again" phrase I suppose

    Roger, it was only yesterday that I accidentally learnt that for Brits >>>'trump' is slang for 'fart' :)

    Never heard it used that way down here in London area

    Maybe up north??

    Also in middle England such as in the county (state) of Derbyshire.

    These are pokey out of the way places

    It's London and the South East where things really matter


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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Ford on Wed Jun 21 10:40:04 2023
    On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 13:48:52 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:46:10 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 19:02:40 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:29:53 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:56:22 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger >>>>Ford) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:42:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dean F." >>>>><soulexpress@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you expect nuanced thinking from the MAGA crowd, you're going to be disappointed.

    MAGA?

    To do with Trump I guess....

    His favorite "Make America Great Again" phrase I suppose

    Roger, it was only yesterday that I accidentally learnt that for Brits >>>>'trump' is slang for 'fart' :)

    Never heard it used that way down here in London area

    Maybe up north??

    Also in middle England such as in the county (state) of Derbyshire.

    These are pokey out of the way places

    Like Liverpool (Merseyside), Manchester and Newcastle :)

    It's London and the South East where things really matter

    Well, allegedly that's where Standard British English is spoken, by
    persons born there with middle-class parents :)

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to RWC on Wed Jun 21 11:45:37 2023
    On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:40:04 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 13:48:52 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    It's London and the South East where things really matter

    Well, allegedly that's where Standard British English is spoken, by
    persons born there with middle-class parents :)

    and this accent has been a 'turn on' for many white American females
    :)

    as an aside, young Indian (as in India) women are impressed by young
    Indian men who can speak English

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  • From Dennis C@21:1/5 to RWC on Wed Jun 21 14:39:06 2023
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:45:41 AM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:40:04 -0400, RWC <lets...@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 13:48:52 GMT, mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk (Roger
    Ford) wrote:

    It's London and the South East where things really matter

    Well, allegedly that's where Standard British English is spoken, by >persons born there with middle-class parents :)
    and this accent has been a 'turn on' for many white American females
    :)

    as an aside, young Indian (as in India) women are impressed by young
    Indian men who can speak English

    Poon jabbing sure to ensue, baby!!

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to RWC on Wed Jun 21 22:05:06 2023
    On 6/20/2023 3:07 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in Las Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting area behind the kitchen. Cole'
    s road manager was given a room in the hotel because he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other accommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sinatra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing room. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. George explained the facts
    to Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining room at the Sands."

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ever happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatra invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down and eat in the the Garden
    Room at the Sands.

    Bruce, I'm not a fan of the MAGA crowd, but this is misleading
    propaganda that brings to mind Joseph Goebbels.
    -----------
    You don't think the story is true? Why not?

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Wed Jun 21 23:44:39 2023
    On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 22:05:06 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 6/20/2023 3:07 PM, RWC wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Nat King Cole was an enormously popular crooner, earning $4,500 a week in Las Vegas in 1956. He headlined at the whites-only Thunderbird Hotel, where he wasn't allowed to venture beyond the showroom and the cook's resting area behind the kitchen.
    Cole's road manager was given a room in the hotel because he was white, but the high-paid feature attraction had to find other accommodations. He regularly stayed in a rooming house on the West Side.

    Frank Sinatra was a great fan of Cole's. While performing at the Sands, Sinatra noticed that Cole almost always ate his dinner alone in his dressing room. Sinatra asked his valet, a black man named George, to find out why. George explained the facts
    to Frank. "Coloreds aren't allowed in the dining room at the Sands."

    Sinatra was enraged. He told the maitre d' and the waitresses that if it ever happened again, he'd see that everyone was fired. The next night, Sinatra invited Cole to dinner, making his guest the first black man to sit down and eat in the the Garden
    Room at the Sands.

    Bruce, I'm not a fan of the MAGA crowd, but this is misleading
    propaganda that brings to mind Joseph Goebbels.
    -----------
    You don't think the story is true? Why not?

    I was not referring to historical claims but to implied future racist
    actions by MAGA supporters.

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