Tina Turner has died aged 83 in Switzerlanddoed 9in Swiitzerland
Details to follow
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
... Too frenetic.
Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
On Wed, 24 May 2023 19:09:14 GMT, mariabus@bblueyonder.co.uk (RogerBARD said:
Ford) wrote:
Tina Turner has died aged 83 in Switzerland
Details to follow
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff af= >ter she left Ike.
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.Nobody asked you.
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff after she left Ike.
On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:=20 >> > https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-73=18783/=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff af=
ter she left Ike.
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:01:25 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:And nobody asked you to object.
Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.Nobody asked you.
On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff after she left Ike.I agree with that. I once saw the Ike and Tina Turner Reviiew at
Basiin Street West, San Francisco in 1969. It was a great show.
Someone on the news was telling a story about an interview Ike gave
later in his life. Ike said that in the 1950s he was writing songs he
needed someone like Little Richard to sing. When he met Tina, he said,
"Tina was my Little Richard."
This struck me as an extremely odd thing to say, but I guess it makes
sense from a business point of view. Maybe. I don't know.
On May 25, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM CDT, "DianeE" <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:
Someone on the news was telling a story about an interview Ike gave
later in his life. Ike said that in the 1950s he was writing songs he needed someone like Little Richard to sing. When he met Tina, he said, "Tina was my Little Richard."
This struck me as an extremely odd thing to say, but I guess it makes sense from a business point of view. Maybe. I don't know.I can see a comparison between Tina and Little Richard as performers. Rough voices, turning the volume up, shouting as a form of singing, lots of body movement, a grounding in the rough edges and near-hysteria of a lot of the emotional highs gospel often reaches for, etc. I'm sure Ike telling Tina to imitate Little Richard (plus the live gospel she would have heard in church) had a lot to do with Tina's singular "frenetic" early style. As a CCR fan, I think her verson of "Rollin' On The River"
On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:53:38=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20te:=20
wrote:=20
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ote:=3D20=20On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC-4, Bruce wr=
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after she left Ike.=2018783/=3D20=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans
It's nothing special.My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" but
"River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves
following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions
I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that well
on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights it achieved here in UK
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.Pale shadow of the classic original
On May 25, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM CDT, "DianeE" <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:
Someone on the news was telling a story about an interview Ike gave
later in his life. Ike said that in the 1950s he was writing songs he
needed someone like Little Richard to sing. When he met Tina, he said,
"Tina was my Little Richard."
This struck me as an extremely odd thing to say, but I guess it makes
sense from a business point of view. Maybe. I don't know.
I can see a comparison between Tina and Little Richard as performers. Rough >voices, turning the volume up, shouting as a form of singing, lots of body >movement, a grounding in the rough edges and near-hysteria of a lot of the >emotional highs gospel often reaches for, etc. I'm sure Ike telling Tina to >imitate Little Richard (plus the live gospel she would have heard in church) >had a lot to do with Tina's singular "frenetic" early style. As a CCR fan, I >think her verson of "Rollin' On The River" is a very distant second to the >original. And I also think "Mountain High, River Low" is a work of >genius--Spector's not Tina's. There, I've paid my respects.
On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead-obituary-7318783/
Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic.
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff after she left Ike.
I agree with that. I once saw the Ike and Tina Turner Reviiew at
Basiin Street West, San Francisco in 1969. It was a grest show.
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:53:38=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20after she left Ike.=20
wrote:=20
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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC-4, Bruce wr= >ote:=3D20=2018783/=3D20=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop stuff
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans
It's nothing special.
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:25:08=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20Bruce wr=3D=20
wrote:=20
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On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:53:38=3DE2=3D80=3DAFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford = >wrote:=20
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wrote:=3D20=20
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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DAFPM UTC-4,=
ote:=3D3D20=3D20=20My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" but=20
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after she left Ike.=3D2018783/=3D3D20=3D20=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic=20
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop st= >uff
=20
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar=20=20
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one=20=20
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans=20
It's nothing special.
"River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves=20
following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=20
=20
I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that well=20
on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights it=20
achieved here in UK
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.Pale shadow of the classic original
Not according to American record buyers
On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:25:08=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20wrote:=20
wrote:=20
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ill B wro=3D=20On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=3D20= >=20
wrote:=3D20=20
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Bruce wr=3D=20te:=3D20=20
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ary=3D=20ote:=3D3D20=3D20=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic=20
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop st=
after she left Ike.=3D20My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" but=20 >> "River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves=20
=20
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar=20=20
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one=20 >> >> that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans=20=20
It's nothing special.
following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=20
=20
I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that well=20 >> on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights it=20
achieved here in UK
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.Pale shadow of the classic original
Not according to American record buyersWhy should the actions of American record buyers have any bearing on
my opinion?
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
On May 25, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM CDT, "DianeE" <Dia...@NoSpam.net> wrote:
Someone on the news was telling a story about an interview Ike gaveI can see a comparison between Tina and Little Richard as performers. Rough >> voices, turning the volume up, shouting as a form of singing, lots of body >> movement, a grounding in the rough edges and near-hysteria of a lot of the >> emotional highs gospel often reaches for, etc. I'm sure Ike telling Tina to >> imitate Little Richard (plus the live gospel she would have heard in church) >> had a lot to do with Tina's singular "frenetic" early style. As a CCR fan, I >> think her verson of "Rollin' On The River"
later in his life. Ike said that in the 1950s he was writing songs he
needed someone like Little Richard to sing. When he met Tina, he said,
"Tina was my Little Richard."
This struck me as an extremely odd thing to say, but I guess it makes
sense from a business point of view. Maybe. I don't know.
I assume you know that "Rollin On The River" is not the actual title, but just
part of the chorus?
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:42:25=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20UTC-4, B=3D=20
wrote:=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic=3D20=20
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=20after she left Ike.=3D3D20=20My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" but= >=3D20=20
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I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar=3D20=20=3D20=20
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one= >=3D20=20=3D20=20
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans=3D20=20
It's nothing special.=20
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following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=3D20= >=20
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I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that well= >=3D20=20
on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights it= >=3D20
achieved here in UK=20
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.=20Pale shadow of the classic original=20
Not according to American record buyers
my opinion?
Did somebody say it should?
On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:42:25=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic=3D20=20
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop=
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=20after she left Ike.=3D3D20=20My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" but= >=3D20=20
=3D20=20
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar=3D20=20 >> >> >=3D20=20=3D20=20
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one= >=3D20=20
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans=3D20=20
It's nothing special.=20
"River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves=3D20=20 >> >> following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=3D20= >=20
=3D20=20
I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that well= >=3D20=20
on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights it= >=3D20
achieved here in UK=20
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.=20Pale shadow of the classic original=20
Not according to American record buyers
my opinion?
Did somebody say it should?Nope
Which makes your original statement doubly irrelevant to the
discussion
On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:42:25=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20wrote:=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic=3D20=20
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later pop=
uff=20Why should the actions of American record buyers have any bearing on=20
=20after she left Ike.=3D3D20=20My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" but= >=3D20=20
=3D20=20
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar=3D20=20 >> >> >=3D20=20=3D20=20
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the one= >=3D20=20
that usually causes the most arguments amongst fans=3D20=20
It's nothing special.=20
"River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves=3D20=20 >> >> following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=3D20= >=20
=3D20=20
I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that well= >=3D20=20
on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights it= >=3D20
achieved here in UK=20
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.=20Pale shadow of the classic original=20
Not according to American record buyers
my opinion?
Did somebody say it should?Nope
Which makes your original statement doubly irrelevant to the
discussion
On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 1:41:25=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic=3D3D20=3D20=20
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later = >pop=3D=20
=3D3D20=3D20=20uff=3D20=20
after she left Ike.=3D3D3D20=3D20=20
=3D3D20=3D20=20
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar=3D3D= >20=3D20=20=3D3D20=3D20
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the = >one=3D
=3D3D20=3D20=20My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" b= >ut=3Dthat usually causes the most arguments amongst fans=3D3D20=3D20= >=20=3D3D20=3D20=20
It's nothing special.=3D20
=3D20=20"River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves=3D3D2= >0=3D20=20
following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=3D= >3D20=3D=20
=3D3D20=3D20=3D3D20=3D20
I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that we= >ll=3D
=3D3D20=20on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights i= >t=3D
=20Why should the actions of American record buyers have any bearing on= >=3D20achieved here in UK=3D20=20=3D20
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.=3D20=20Pale shadow of the classic original=3D20=20
Not according to American record buyers
my opinion?=20
Did somebody say it should?
=20
Which makes your original statement doubly irrelevant to the=20
discussion
Why would your opinion, as one person, be relevant, but the opinion of the = >entire American public not be relevant?
On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 1:41:25=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
wrote:=20
=20
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:42:25=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford = >wrote:=20Nope=20
On Thu, 25 May 2023 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=3D20= >=20wrote:=3D20=20
wrote:=3D20=20
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On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:25:08=3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3DAFPM UTC-4, Ro= >ger Ford =3D=20
=3D20=20On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=3D= >3D20=3D=20
ger Ford =3D3D=3D20=20wrote:=3D3D20=3D20=20
=3D3D20=3D20=20
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:53:38=3D3D3DE2=3D3D3D80=3D3D3DAFAM = >UTC-4, Ro=3D=20
3D20=3D3D=3D20=20wrote:=3D3D20=3D20=20
On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>= >=3D3D=3D=20
UTC-4, B=3D3D=3D20=20=3D3D20=3D20=20
wrote:=3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20=20
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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:37:30=3D3D3D3DE2=3D3D3D3D80=3D3= >D3D3DAFPM=3D=20
PM UTC-4,=3D3D=3D20=20ill B wro=3D3D3D=3D3D20=3D20=20
te:=3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20=20
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:34:55=3D3D3D3DE2=3D3D3D3D80= >=3D3D3D3DAF=3D=20
itu=3D3D=3D20=20Bruce wr=3D3D3D=3D3D20=3D20=20
ote:=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20=3D20=20
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/tina-turner-dead= >-ob=3D=20
st=3D3D=3D20=20ary=3D3D3D=3D3D20=3D20=20
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Never one of my favorites. Too frenetic=3D3D20=3D20=20
I only liked the real frenetic records, did not like the later = >pop=3D=20
=3D3D20=3D20=20uff=3D20=20
after she left Ike.=3D3D3D20=3D20=20
=3D3D20=3D20=20
I guess my feelings about Tina on record are pretty similar=3D3D= >20=3D20=20=3D3D20=3D20
But what's your take on "River Deep Mountain High" which is the = >one=3D
=3D3D20=3D20=20My all time favorite Ike & Tina is the scorching "A Fool In Love" b= >ut=3Dthat usually causes the most arguments amongst fans=3D3D20=3D20= >=20=3D3D20=3D20=20
It's nothing special.=3D20
=3D20=20"River Deep...." is well up there in my bunch of I & T ffaves=3D3D2= >0=3D20=20
following that one and is also one of Spector's best productions=3D= >3D20=3D=20
=3D3D20=3D20=3D3D20=3D20
I can understand him being miffed when the record didn't do that we= >ll=3D
=3D3D20=20on the US charts failing to reach anywhere near the chart heights i= >t=3D
=20Why should the actions of American record buyers have any bearing on= >=3D20achieved here in UK=3D20=20=3D20
even like the Supremes/Tops hit version a little better.=3D20=20Pale shadow of the classic original=3D20=20
Not according to American record buyers
my opinion?=20
Did somebody say it should?
=20
Which makes your original statement doubly irrelevant to the=20
discussion
My original statement was (answering Bill)
I was referring to your original statement to me
On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:44:13=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
I was referring to your original statement to me
"Not according to American record buyers."
So again, why are our individual feelings about the record relevant but not=
followups about the record's popularity in various countries?
Because in the case of the Ike & Tina record I am voicing my (long
held) opinion that the Supremes/Temps version is a pale shadow
compared to the original which IMO is an excellent record
On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:44:13=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
I was referring to your original statement to me
"Not according to American record buyers."
So again, why are our individual feelings about the record relevant but not=
followups about the record's popularity in various countries?
To me the Spector version is totally overdone and over the top, trying too = >hard to make something new and different and dazzling.
Some people feel the ame way about "Good Vibrations." Given your major preference
for the oldr sound, I would think you might be among those who frowned on attempts to
make real progressive music and get away from that older sound. Frankie C i= >s like that, not a big fan of either record, and he was very against the la= >te 60s and early 70s Motown sound when they went progressive and socially c= >onscious with things like "War" and "Cloud Nine" and the "What's Going On" = >album.
Why would your opinion, as one person, be relevant, but the opinion of the entire American public not be relevant?
On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Why would your opinion, as one person, be relevant, but the opinion of the entire American public not be relevant?Probably for the same reason why you put a personal 1-10 rating next to the songs you hear instead of simply checking how they charted.
On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:35:41=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2023 08:50:21 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>=20
wrote:
On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 2:44:13=3DE2=3D80=3DAFAM UTC-4, Roger Ford wr= >ote:=20Because in the case of the Ike & Tina record I am voicing my (long=20
=20=20I was referring to your original statement to me=20
"Not according to American record buyers."=20
So again, why are our individual feelings about the record relevant but = >not=3D
followups about the record's popularity in various countries?=20
held) opinion that the Supremes/Temps version is a pale shadow=20
compared to the original which IMO is an excellent record=20
So once you voice your opinion nobody else as permitted to mention any othe= >r facts or opinions about the record?
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