Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed up.
According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to
leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He
sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for
everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside
at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed
sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

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On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:56:26 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed up.

According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to leave

soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded just as
he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything." We

had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside at

the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

Jesse Ed Davis' girlfriend was Patti Daley. Last time I checked, she was still alive -- and in possession of a box full of momentoes from that time. It includes Lennon letters and lyrcs; photographs of McCartney playing piano at John's borrowed Santa
Monica beach home; and photographs of the various interesting R&R characters Lennon was hanging out with, including Keith Moon.

I wish she'd tell her story and include these images in a book.

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On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed up.

According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to leave

soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded just as
he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything." We

had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside at

the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

The house John trashed was Peter Lawford's beach cottage. This is a place where JFK and Marilyn Monroe were said to have had trysts...ironically, Peter Lawford may have been the last person Marilyn spoke to before her death. Not to minimize John's bad
behavior, but there could have been a few ghosts hanging around...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/john-lennon-destroyed-home-fit-rage-roman-polanski.html/

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On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed up.

According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything."

We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside at

the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

The house John trashed was Peter Lawford's beach cottage. This is a place where JFK and Marilyn Monroe were said to have had trysts...ironically, Peter Lawford may have been the last person Marilyn spoke to before her death. Not to minimize John's bad

behavior, but there could have been a few ghosts hanging around...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/john-lennon-destroyed-home-fit-rage-roman-polanski.html/

Oh, I thought the rampage had occurred at Harold Seider's apartment in Hollywood.

Yeah, Peter Lawford's beach house was where a lot of rich & famous people carried out their trysts. "Getting to Peter Lawford's house" meant "Having sex with an A-list performer" of one sort of another.

Lawford's the guy who led the charge to expel Lennon from the Troubadour when Lennon heckled the Smothers Brothers. Lawford himself was in a bad way at the time, and tried to sell cocaine to Dominick Dunne -- who couldn't afford it. "It was a moment of
terrible shame for both of us," Dunne wrote.

I don't know if I ever saw this particular house from the street, but I've been to Santa Monica many times. What a beautiful city. At least it used to be.

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On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed up.

According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to leave

soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded just as
he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything." We

had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside at

the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 2:53:05 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed

up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything."

We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside

at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

The house John trashed was Peter Lawford's beach cottage. This is a place where JFK and Marilyn Monroe were said to have had trysts...ironically, Peter Lawford may have been the last person Marilyn spoke to before her death. Not to minimize John's

bad behavior, but there could have been a few ghosts hanging around...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/john-lennon-destroyed-home-fit-rage-roman-polanski.html/

Oh, I thought the rampage had occurred at Harold Seider's apartment in Hollywood.

Yeah, Peter Lawford's beach house was where a lot of rich & famous people carried out their trysts. "Getting to Peter Lawford's house" meant "Having sex with an A-list performer" of one sort of another.

Lawford's the guy who led the charge to expel Lennon from the Troubadour when Lennon heckled the Smothers Brothers. Lawford himself was in a bad way at the time, and tried to sell cocaine to Dominick Dunne -- who couldn't afford it. "It was a moment of

terrible shame for both of us," Dunne wrote.

I don't know if I ever saw this particular house from the street, but I've been to Santa Monica many times. What a beautiful city. At least it used to be.

I have family in LA, so spent some time there, but never went to that house. Next time, though!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed up.

According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything."

We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside at

the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those things
about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:29:51 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 2:53:05 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed

up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was

outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

The house John trashed was Peter Lawford's beach cottage. This is a place where JFK and Marilyn Monroe were said to have had trysts...ironically, Peter Lawford may have been the last person Marilyn spoke to before her death. Not to minimize John's

bad behavior, but there could have been a few ghosts hanging around...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/john-lennon-destroyed-home-fit-rage-roman-polanski.html/

Oh, I thought the rampage had occurred at Harold Seider's apartment in Hollywood.

Yeah, Peter Lawford's beach house was where a lot of rich & famous people carried out their trysts. "Getting to Peter Lawford's house" meant "Having sex with an A-list performer" of one sort of another.

Lawford's the guy who led the charge to expel Lennon from the Troubadour when Lennon heckled the Smothers Brothers. Lawford himself was in a bad way at the time, and tried to sell cocaine to Dominick Dunne -- who couldn't afford it. "It was a moment

of terrible shame for both of us," Dunne wrote.

I don't know if I ever saw this particular house from the street, but I've been to Santa Monica many times. What a beautiful city. At least it used to be.

I have family in LA, so spent some time there, but never went to that house. Next time, though!

Cool. Santa Monica is a fun city to explore anyway. I remember a great Japanese restaurant on one of the main streets, and an excellent, full-sized Trader Joe's on (I think) Pico Boulevard.

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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed

up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything."

We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside

at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those things

about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 8:24:16 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed

up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything."

We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside

at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

*** Oh no, I did not intend to imply that. I think her statements about Yoko are stunning. No wonder Yoko was upset!

My point is that May was under Yoko's thumb all that time, constantly being ordered around. It was an arrangement, and John knew that, and at times seemed to rebel against it...

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those things

about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."
*** Yes, I see Mintz as two-faced.
(Odd that he also has a connection to Bob Dylan who is getting ready to start the next leg of his tour...in Japan...)

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On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 2:53:05 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed

up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything."

We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside

at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

The house John trashed was Peter Lawford's beach cottage. This is a place where JFK and Marilyn Monroe were said to have had trysts...ironically, Peter Lawford may have been the last person Marilyn spoke to before her death. Not to minimize John's

bad behavior, but there could have been a few ghosts hanging around...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/john-lennon-destroyed-home-fit-rage-roman-polanski.html/

Oh, I thought the rampage had occurred at Harold Seider's apartment in Hollywood.

Yeah, Peter Lawford's beach house was where a lot of rich & famous people carried out their trysts. "Getting to Peter Lawford's house" meant "Having sex with an A-list performer" of one sort of another.

Lawford's the guy who led the charge to expel Lennon from the Troubadour when Lennon heckled the Smothers Brothers. Lawford himself was in a bad way at the time, and tried to sell cocaine to Dominick Dunne -- who couldn't afford it. "It was a moment of

terrible shame for both of us," Dunne wrote.

I don't know if I ever saw this particular house from the street, but I've been to Santa Monica many times. What a beautiful city. At least it used to be.

Any chance John met Sharon Tate? Ringo did...

https://arrivewithouttravelling.com/blog/f/manson-blog-draft

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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:32:34 PM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 2:53:05 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed

up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was

outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

The house John trashed was Peter Lawford's beach cottage. This is a place where JFK and Marilyn Monroe were said to have had trysts...ironically, Peter Lawford may have been the last person Marilyn spoke to before her death. Not to minimize John's

bad behavior, but there could have been a few ghosts hanging around...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/john-lennon-destroyed-home-fit-rage-roman-polanski.html/

Oh, I thought the rampage had occurred at Harold Seider's apartment in Hollywood.

Yeah, Peter Lawford's beach house was where a lot of rich & famous people carried out their trysts. "Getting to Peter Lawford's house" meant "Having sex with an A-list performer" of one sort of another.

Lawford's the guy who led the charge to expel Lennon from the Troubadour when Lennon heckled the Smothers Brothers. Lawford himself was in a bad way at the time, and tried to sell cocaine to Dominick Dunne -- who couldn't afford it. "It was a moment

of terrible shame for both of us," Dunne wrote.

I don't know if I ever saw this particular house from the street, but I've been to Santa Monica many times. What a beautiful city. At least it used to be.

Any chance John met Sharon Tate? Ringo did...

https://arrivewithouttravelling.com/blog/f/manson-blog-draft

I don't know of such a meeting. I know, from a bio of Tate, that she loved London.

She also liked to *occasionally* take LSD. Some of the dream and flashback scenes in Rosemary's Baby are Polanski's attempts at depicting Sharon's dreams and LSD experiences.

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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed

up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to

leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was

outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those things

about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police

showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided

to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded
just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was

outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed

sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those

things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police

showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti

decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He
sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was

outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon

observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those

things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

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On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police

showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti

decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He
sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was

outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon

observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those

things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

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On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the

police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti

decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He
sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz

was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon

observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say

those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

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On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the

police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti

decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He
sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for

everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz

was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon

observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say

those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his failure to
go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

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On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:20:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the

police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend]

Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and
anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame

for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!"

Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon

observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say

those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his failure to

go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

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On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:20:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the

police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend]

Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and
anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame

for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!"

Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop,

Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you

say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his failure

to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

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On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:47:10 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:20:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually,

the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend]

Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and
anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to

blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!"

Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop,

Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was

untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you

say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his failure

to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

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On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:03:22 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:47:10 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:20:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually,

the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend]

Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and
anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to

blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!"

Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop,

Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was

untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do

you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his

failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that relationship
was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star. Nobody else
was in the Brentwood house.

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On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:03:22 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:47:10 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:20:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture.

Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's

girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of
anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to

blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the

door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop,

Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was

untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do

you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil)

.

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his

failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that relationship

was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star. Nobody else

was in the Brentwood house.
That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

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Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture.

Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's

girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of
anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is

to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the

door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief

stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was

untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why

do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'

Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his

failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that

relationship was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star. Nobody

else was in the Brentwood house.

That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:38:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

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On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:03:22 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:47:10 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

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On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture.

Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's

girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of
anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk

is to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the

door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief

stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book*

was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why

do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'

Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his

failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that

relationship was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star. Nobody

else was in the Brentwood house.

That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.

I don't think Marilyn was drunk that night...and I think Jackie gave JFK an ultimatum...

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 7:33:46 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:38:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 8:14:02 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

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On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:20:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture.

Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's

girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of
anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk

is to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through

the door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's

brief stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book*

was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "

Why do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom

O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at

his failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that

relationship was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star.

Nobody else was in the Brentwood house.

That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.

I don't think Marilyn was drunk that night...and I think Jackie gave JFK an ultimatum...

It was the prescription meds that did her in. She passed out while attempting to speak to a telephone operator.

Do you have the Reelz channel, Pamela? There's a great episode on Monroe's death in their "Autopsy: The Last Hours of..." series.

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:43:15 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 7:33:46 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:38:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 8:14:02 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:03:22 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:47:10 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

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On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

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On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:

Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture.

Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's

girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of
anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman

Polansk is to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through

the door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's

brief stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her

book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "

Why do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by

Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at

his failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that

relationship was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star.

Nobody else was in the Brentwood house.

That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.

I don't think Marilyn was drunk that night...and I think Jackie gave JFK an ultimatum...

It was the prescription meds that did her in. She passed out while attempting to speak to a telephone operator.

Do you have the Reelz channel, Pamela? There's a great episode on Monroe's death in their "Autopsy: The Last Hours of..." series.

Your opinion. You are entitled. I don't agree.
I haven't watched that show, but I have read Noguchi's book...I think he leaves some things out...
https://www.amazon.com/Coroner-Noguchi/dp/0671624938

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Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture.

Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse'

s girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of
anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman

Polansk is to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes

through the door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's

brief stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her

book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded,

"Why do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by

Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt

at his failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that

relationship was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star.

Nobody else was in the Brentwood house.

That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.

I don't think Marilyn was drunk that night...and I think Jackie gave JFK an ultimatum...

It was the prescription meds that did her in. She passed out while attempting to speak to a telephone operator.

Do you have the Reelz channel, Pamela? There's a great episode on Monroe's death in their "Autopsy: The Last Hours of..." series.

Your opinion. You are entitled. I don't agree.
I haven't watched that show, but I have read Noguchi's book...I think he leaves some things out...
https://www.amazon.com/Coroner-Noguchi/dp/0671624938

And Noguchi later changed his position regarding Marilyn's death... https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/31/Noguchi-says-Monroe-case-should-be-reopened/5453499582800/

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Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing

furniture. Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [

Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal
parts of anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman

Polansk is to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes

through the door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz'

s brief stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her

book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May

demanded, "Why do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos

by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with

guilt at his failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that

relationship was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star.

Nobody else was in the Brentwood house.

That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.

I don't think Marilyn was drunk that night...and I think Jackie gave JFK an ultimatum...

It was the prescription meds that did her in. She passed out while attempting to speak to a telephone operator.

Do you have the Reelz channel, Pamela? There's a great episode on Monroe's death in their "Autopsy: The Last Hours of..." series.

Your opinion. You are entitled. I don't agree.
I haven't watched that show, but I have read Noguchi's book...I think he leaves some things out...
https://www.amazon.com/Coroner-Noguchi/dp/0671624938

And Noguchi later changed his position regarding Marilyn's death... https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/31/Noguchi-says-Monroe-case-should-be-reopened/5453499582800/

IMO, unaccounted-for bruises don't imply murder. A person as over-drugged on prescription meds and who regularly topped them off with hard liquor will stumble into objects.

Marilyn's housekeeper was there that night to keep an eye on the troubled actress. You'd have to postulate that the housekeeper was in on any conspiracy against Monroe. But if she were participating in some sinister scheme against Marilyn, why would
she have called the star's psychiatrist and summon him to the home?

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Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing

furniture. Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:

The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [

Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal
parts of anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.

I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman

Polansk is to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.

[Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]

May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes

through the door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.

Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about

Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."

It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.

Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.

However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in

her book* was untrue?

Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May

demanded, "Why do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."

So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!

I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/

I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?

Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos

by Tom O'Neil).

To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...

Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.

(Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")

Good points...

RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...

So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...

Makes sense to me...

Pamela

Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with

guilt at his failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.

Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...

If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.

Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient...

I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that

relationship was enough to send her over the edge.

Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled

star. Nobody else was in the Brentwood house.

That is all part of the coverup.
Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
Bobby may have been at he house that last day.

That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.

I don't think Marilyn was drunk that night...and I think Jackie gave JFK an ultimatum...

It was the prescription meds that did her in. She passed out while attempting to speak to a telephone operator.

Do you have the Reelz channel, Pamela? There's a great episode on Monroe's death in their "Autopsy: The Last Hours of..." series.

Your opinion. You are entitled. I don't agree.
I haven't watched that show, but I have read Noguchi's book...I think he leaves some things out...
https://www.amazon.com/Coroner-Noguchi/dp/0671624938

And Noguchi later changed his position regarding Marilyn's death... https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/31/Noguchi-says-Monroe-case-should-be-reopened/5453499582800/

IMO, unaccounted-for bruises don't imply murder. A person as over-drugged on prescription meds and who regularly topped them off with hard liquor will stumble into objects.

Marilyn's housekeeper was there that night to keep an eye on the troubled actress. You'd have to postulate that the housekeeper was in on any conspiracy against Monroe. But if she were participating in some sinister scheme against Marilyn, why would

she have called the star's psychiatrist and summon him to the home?
You are the one who brought up Noguchi's autopsy...

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