• John's Glasses after he was shot

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 15:38:39 2023
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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Feb 13 05:10:16 2023
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been killed.
    That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Wed Feb 15 05:29:06 2023
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been killed.
    That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Fri Feb 17 04:23:59 2023
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been killed.
    That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...

    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio while she
    cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sun Feb 19 10:57:31 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been
    killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio while she
    cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    That too...

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Thu Feb 23 11:22:24 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been
    killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio while she
    cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Thu Feb 23 11:42:07 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been
    killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio while
    she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...

    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Fri Feb 24 04:37:20 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been
    killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio while
    she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Fri Feb 24 08:15:58 2023
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had
    been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio
    while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...

    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her book
    that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sun Feb 26 11:33:43 2023
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had
    been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio
    while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her book that
    John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Tue Mar 7 05:35:51 2023
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had
    been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio
    while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her book
    that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela

    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As Goldman
    cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Wed Mar 8 05:38:42 2023
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he
    had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the
    studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her book
    that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As Goldman
    cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."

    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Wed Mar 8 09:24:21 2023
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he
    had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the
    studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her book
    that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As Goldman
    cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)

    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment -- and that
    this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned that Lennon
    at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Thu Mar 9 13:46:58 2023
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness;
    he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the
    studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her
    book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As Goldman
    cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment -- and that
    this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.

    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned that Lennon
    at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?

    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John gave Chapman
    the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy orangish car in the
    courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a collapsed lung. I have
    always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Fri Mar 10 07:29:12 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness;
    he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the
    studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her
    book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As Goldman
    cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment -- and that
    this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned that
    Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John gave Chapman
    the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy orangish car in the
    courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a collapsed lung. I have
    always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...

    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?

    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sat Mar 11 10:23:35 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or
    illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in
    the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered... Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in
    her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As
    Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment -- and that
    this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned that
    Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John gave
    Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy orangish car
    in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a collapsed lung. I
    have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/

    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/

    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    Pamela

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Sun Mar 12 10:06:26 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or
    illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in
    the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered... Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in
    her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As
    Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment -- and
    that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned that
    Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John gave
    Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy orangish car
    in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a collapsed lung. I
    have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/

    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a catalyst in
    Lennon's return to songwriting.

    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/

    I really like the intricacy of it.

    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...


    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Wed Mar 15 04:39:20 2023
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or
    illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John
    in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered... Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions
    in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As
    Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment -- and
    that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned that
    Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John gave
    Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy orangish car
    in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a collapsed lung. I
    have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a catalyst in
    Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)

    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Wed Mar 15 06:45:33 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or
    illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from
    John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered... Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions
    in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As
    Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment --
    and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned
    that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John gave
    Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy orangish car
    in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a collapsed lung. I
    have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a catalyst in
    Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...

    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Thu Mar 16 07:47:36 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age
    or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from
    John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May
    mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships.
    As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment --
    and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned
    that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John
    gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy
    orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a catalyst in
    Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.

    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Thu Mar 16 08:50:59 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old
    age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from
    John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May
    mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships.
    As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment --
    and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she
    learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John
    gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy
    orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a catalyst
    in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.

    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Fri Mar 17 04:31:02 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of
    old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits
    from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May
    mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and
    ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious
    environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.


    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she
    learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said
    John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy
    orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a
    catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?

    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Fri Mar 17 04:18:12 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old
    age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits
    from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May
    mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and
    ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment
    -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she
    learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John
    gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy
    orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a catalyst
    in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."

    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Wed Mar 22 03:52:52 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of
    old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received
    visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.)
    May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and
    ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious
    environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.


    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she
    learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said
    John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy
    orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a
    catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Wed Mar 22 04:42:46 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:52:54 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died
    of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received
    visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.)
    May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes
    and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious
    environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.


    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when
    she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He
    said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's
    boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a
    catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

    I believe that she loved him and put up with his faults. We've known Lennon was dangerous when inebriated since the Bob Wooler incident, if not earlier.

    When one steps back and takes the two notorious Troubadour incidents (one of which was triggered by Yoko calling to tell John that David Spinozza had earlier given her a "really great fuck"), in context, one sees a by-and-large happy and productive John
    Lennon. Think of his guest stint at the radio station in 1974. His wit and humor -- and his pride in his work -- were in full swing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Fri Mar 24 03:20:40 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:42:48 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:52:54 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died
    of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received
    visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.


    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.)
    May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes
    and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious
    environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.


    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when
    she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He
    said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's
    boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a
    catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
    I believe that she loved him and put up with his faults. We've known Lennon was dangerous when inebriated since the Bob Wooler incident, if not earlier.

    When one steps back and takes the two notorious Troubadour incidents (one of which was triggered by Yoko calling to tell John that David Spinozza had earlier given her a "really great fuck"), in context, one sees a by-and-large happy and productive
    John Lennon. Think of his guest stint at the radio station in 1974. His wit and humor -- and his pride in his work -- were in full swing.

    I have to wonder if May was simply 'putting up with his faults', as she seems comfortable presenting him as a hopelessly dangerous loonie. I think we may find that there is another level of cover-up about what was really going on...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Fri Mar 24 04:47:48 2023
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 3:20:42 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:42:48 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:52:54 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not
    died of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received
    visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was
    pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their
    relationship.) May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow
    airplanes and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious
    environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.


    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko
    when she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He
    said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's
    boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been
    a catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
    I believe that she loved him and put up with his faults. We've known Lennon was dangerous when inebriated since the Bob Wooler incident, if not earlier.

    When one steps back and takes the two notorious Troubadour incidents (one of which was triggered by Yoko calling to tell John that David Spinozza had earlier given her a "really great fuck"), in context, one sees a by-and-large happy and productive
    John Lennon. Think of his guest stint at the radio station in 1974. His wit and humor -- and his pride in his work -- were in full swing.
    I have to wonder if May was simply 'putting up with his faults', as she seems comfortable presenting him as a hopelessly dangerous loonie. I think we may find that there is another level of cover-up about what was really going on...

    I accept May's portrait of John as a man with his share of plusses and minuses. The negatives include the Troubadour incidents, the fear of May's diminutive Chinese mother, and -- worst of all -- susceptibility to Yoko's manipulations.

    The plusses include the focus Lennon was able to bring to his songwriting (with the notebook at his bedside) and studio work (recording Walls and Bridges at astounding speed and having it out in weeks), and the humor and warmth he had for friends when he
    was comfortable, the affection he had for May as a lover, etc. I see a balanced portrait and no reason to suspect any sort of cover-up on May's part.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sun Mar 26 09:34:43 2023
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 6:47:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 3:20:42 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:42:48 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:52:54 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not
    died of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have
    received visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was
    pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their
    relationship.) May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow
    airplanes and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious
    environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.


    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko
    when she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot.
    He said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's
    boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have
    been a catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
    I believe that she loved him and put up with his faults. We've known Lennon was dangerous when inebriated since the Bob Wooler incident, if not earlier.

    When one steps back and takes the two notorious Troubadour incidents (one of which was triggered by Yoko calling to tell John that David Spinozza had earlier given her a "really great fuck"), in context, one sees a by-and-large happy and productive
    John Lennon. Think of his guest stint at the radio station in 1974. His wit and humor -- and his pride in his work -- were in full swing.
    I have to wonder if May was simply 'putting up with his faults', as she seems comfortable presenting him as a hopelessly dangerous loonie. I think we may find that there is another level of cover-up about what was really going on...
    I accept May's portrait of John as a man with his share of plusses and minuses. The negatives include the Troubadour incidents, the fear of May's diminutive Chinese mother, and -- worst of all -- susceptibility to Yoko's manipulations.

    The plusses include the focus Lennon was able to bring to his songwriting (with the notebook at his bedside) and studio work (recording Walls and Bridges at astounding speed and having it out in weeks), and the humor and warmth he had for friends when
    he was comfortable, the affection he had for May as a lover, etc. I see a balanced portrait and no reason to suspect any sort of cover-up on May's part.
    Your choice.

    I don't buy it. In fact, the more of May's statements I read, the more they sound like Yoko's...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Thu Mar 30 07:02:22 2023
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 9:34:45 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 6:47:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 3:20:42 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:42:48 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:52:54 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had
    not died of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have
    received visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was
    pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their
    relationship.) May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow
    airplanes and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict
    religious environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to
    intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko
    when she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot.
    He said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko'
    s boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a
    collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have
    been a catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
    I believe that she loved him and put up with his faults. We've known Lennon was dangerous when inebriated since the Bob Wooler incident, if not earlier.

    When one steps back and takes the two notorious Troubadour incidents (one of which was triggered by Yoko calling to tell John that David Spinozza had earlier given her a "really great fuck"), in context, one sees a by-and-large happy and
    productive John Lennon. Think of his guest stint at the radio station in 1974. His wit and humor -- and his pride in his work -- were in full swing.
    I have to wonder if May was simply 'putting up with his faults', as she seems comfortable presenting him as a hopelessly dangerous loonie. I think we may find that there is another level of cover-up about what was really going on...
    I accept May's portrait of John as a man with his share of plusses and minuses. The negatives include the Troubadour incidents, the fear of May's diminutive Chinese mother, and -- worst of all -- susceptibility to Yoko's manipulations.

    The plusses include the focus Lennon was able to bring to his songwriting (with the notebook at his bedside) and studio work (recording Walls and Bridges at astounding speed and having it out in weeks), and the humor and warmth he had for friends
    when he was comfortable, the affection he had for May as a lover, etc. I see a balanced portrait and no reason to suspect any sort of cover-up on May's part.
    Your choice.

    I don't buy it. In fact, the more of May's statements I read, the more they sound like Yoko's...

    Yoko didn't think so! Why would she have sent Mintz out to deny every single one of May's claims? (Of course, as the years passed, Mintz forgot all this, and admitted that events he had disputed had in fact occurred. That's the thing about habitual
    liars; they can't keep their stories straight.)

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Fri Mar 31 04:01:08 2023
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:02:24 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 9:34:45 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 6:47:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 3:20:42 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:42:48 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:52:54 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had
    not died of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have
    received visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was
    pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their
    relationship.) May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow
    airplanes and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict
    religious environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to
    intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with
    Yoko when she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was
    shot. He said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out
    Yoko's boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died
    of a collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have
    been a catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
    I believe that she loved him and put up with his faults. We've known Lennon was dangerous when inebriated since the Bob Wooler incident, if not earlier.

    When one steps back and takes the two notorious Troubadour incidents (one of which was triggered by Yoko calling to tell John that David Spinozza had earlier given her a "really great fuck"), in context, one sees a by-and-large happy and
    productive John Lennon. Think of his guest stint at the radio station in 1974. His wit and humor -- and his pride in his work -- were in full swing.
    I have to wonder if May was simply 'putting up with his faults', as she seems comfortable presenting him as a hopelessly dangerous loonie. I think we may find that there is another level of cover-up about what was really going on...
    I accept May's portrait of John as a man with his share of plusses and minuses. The negatives include the Troubadour incidents, the fear of May's diminutive Chinese mother, and -- worst of all -- susceptibility to Yoko's manipulations.

    The plusses include the focus Lennon was able to bring to his songwriting (with the notebook at his bedside) and studio work (recording Walls and Bridges at astounding speed and having it out in weeks), and the humor and warmth he had for friends
    when he was comfortable, the affection he had for May as a lover, etc. I see a balanced portrait and no reason to suspect any sort of cover-up on May's part.
    Your choice.

    I don't buy it. In fact, the more of May's statements I read, the more they sound like Yoko's...
    Yoko didn't think so! Why would she have sent Mintz out to deny every single one of May's claims? (Of course, as the years passed, Mintz forgot all this, and admitted that events he had disputed had in fact occurred. That's the thing about habitual
    liars; they can't keep their stories straight.)
    You seem to be referencing May's statements about Yoko.
    I am referencing May's statements about John...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Tue Apr 4 06:24:51 2023
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:01:10 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:02:24 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 9:34:45 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 6:47:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 3:20:42 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:42:48 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:52:54 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:18:14 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 7:47:38 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:39:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.

    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John
    had not died of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
    I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
    I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have
    received visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
    Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
    That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko
    was pregnant.

    May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.

    Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
    May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered...
    Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
    Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their
    relationship.) May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.

    So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
    I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
    I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
    I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Pamela
    I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.

    However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow
    airplanes and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
    I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination....I can't seem to get away from that...

    And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...

    Pamela
    (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
    I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict
    religious environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to
    intervene.

    ***
    I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
    Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with
    Yoko when she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
    ***
    That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...

    Pamela

    P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was
    shot. He said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out
    Yoko's boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died
    of a collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
    Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
    ***
    It could have been. Not unlike this one... https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
    Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may
    have been a catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
    Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
    ***
    It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you...it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
    https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
    I really like the intricacy of it.
    And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...

    And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)
    That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...
    It was the same night as the Kotex-Toubadour incident, and the same night Lennon knocked Jesse Ed Davis unconscious with a bottle. He was out of his mind.

    May mentions in her book that she didn't understand why Lennon was raging against Roman Polanski, since they had met Polanski on a few occasions and Lennon had never showed any animosity towards the Polish director.
    I am starting to think catch phrases about John, such as 'out of his mind' may be a kind of psycho-babble.
    I meant that he was extremely high. He'd started in at Lost on Larrabee, then progressed to guzzling "milkshakes" at the Troubadour.

    His behavior at the Troubadour made the papers. He had the Kotex on his forehead, and their waitress sneered at him. He asked, "Do you know who I am?" She replied, "Yeah, you're some asshole with a Kotex on his head."
    Surely someone asked John follow-up questions about what he said about Polanski?
    Hmm, I can't find any record of such an inquiry. I'll quote May's account of the Polanski incident in a new thread.
    If May is comfortable presenting John as a dangerous loonie that she somehow managed to put up with, rather than taking the time to dig deeper, should we be asking ourselves if this is actual love or 'watered-down love'?
    Pamela
    https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
    I believe that she loved him and put up with his faults. We've known Lennon was dangerous when inebriated since the Bob Wooler incident, if not earlier.

    When one steps back and takes the two notorious Troubadour incidents (one of which was triggered by Yoko calling to tell John that David Spinozza had earlier given her a "really great fuck"), in context, one sees a by-and-large happy and
    productive John Lennon. Think of his guest stint at the radio station in 1974. His wit and humor -- and his pride in his work -- were in full swing.
    I have to wonder if May was simply 'putting up with his faults', as she seems comfortable presenting him as a hopelessly dangerous loonie. I think we may find that there is another level of cover-up about what was really going on...
    I accept May's portrait of John as a man with his share of plusses and minuses. The negatives include the Troubadour incidents, the fear of May's diminutive Chinese mother, and -- worst of all -- susceptibility to Yoko's manipulations.

    The plusses include the focus Lennon was able to bring to his songwriting (with the notebook at his bedside) and studio work (recording Walls and Bridges at astounding speed and having it out in weeks), and the humor and warmth he had for friends
    when he was comfortable, the affection he had for May as a lover, etc. I see a balanced portrait and no reason to suspect any sort of cover-up on May's part.
    Your choice.

    I don't buy it. In fact, the more of May's statements I read, the more they sound like Yoko's...
    Yoko didn't think so! Why would she have sent Mintz out to deny every single one of May's claims? (Of course, as the years passed, Mintz forgot all this, and admitted that events he had disputed had in fact occurred. That's the thing about habitual
    liars; they can't keep their stories straight.)
    You seem to be referencing May's statements about Yoko.
    I am referencing May's statements about John...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Tue Apr 4 06:59:48 2023
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:01:10 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

    You seem to be referencing May's statements about Yoko.
    I am referencing May's statements about John...

    Okay. Which statements of May's sound like Yoko to you?

    I'm struck by the contrasts in Yoko's and May's statements about John. Yoko began hammering away at the theme of John's homo- or bisexuality practically since his murder. Yet when Geraldo Rivera asked May if John was bisexual, May answered emphatically:
    "Not with me." After a night at gay clubs with Sal Mineo and Elliot Mintz, John told May that he wanted people to think he was gay. May responded, "Nobody would consider a man who loves women as much as you do gay."

    Yoko was dismissive of John's and the Beatles' music. May is full of praise for it.

    The two women simply had starkly different attitudes towards Lennon.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Wed Apr 5 03:39:51 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:01:10 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

    You seem to be referencing May's statements about Yoko.
    I am referencing May's statements about John...
    Okay. Which statements of May's sound like Yoko to you?

    I'm struck by the contrasts in Yoko's and May's statements about John. Yoko began hammering away at the theme of John's homo- or bisexuality practically since his murder. Yet when Geraldo Rivera asked May if John was bisexual, May answered emphatically:
    "Not with me." After a night at gay clubs with Sal Mineo and Elliot Mintz, John told May that he wanted people to think he was gay. May responded, "Nobody would consider a man who loves women as much as you do gay."

    Yoko was dismissive of John's and the Beatles' music. May is full of praise for it.

    The two women simply had starkly different attitudes towards Lennon.

    Are you denying that they both claimed they 'loved' John and somehow managed to tolerate him in spite of all his bad behavior?

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Wed Apr 5 03:47:56 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 6:39:53 AM UTC-4, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:01:10 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

    You seem to be referencing May's statements about Yoko.
    I am referencing May's statements about John...
    Okay. Which statements of May's sound like Yoko to you?

    I'm struck by the contrasts in Yoko's and May's statements about John. Yoko began hammering away at the theme of John's homo- or bisexuality practically since his murder. Yet when Geraldo Rivera asked May if John was bisexual, May answered
    emphatically: "Not with me." After a night at gay clubs with Sal Mineo and Elliot Mintz, John told May that he wanted people to think he was gay. May responded, "Nobody would consider a man who loves women as much as you do gay."

    Yoko was dismissive of John's and the Beatles' music. May is full of praise for it.

    The two women simply had starkly different attitudes towards Lennon.
    Are you denying that they both claimed they 'loved' John and somehow managed to tolerate him in spite of all his bad behavior?

    No, I agree with that. However, I believe that May's claim of loving JL was true, while Yoko's was not.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sat Apr 8 10:31:18 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 5:47:58 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 6:39:53 AM UTC-4, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:01:10 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:

    You seem to be referencing May's statements about Yoko.
    I am referencing May's statements about John...
    Okay. Which statements of May's sound like Yoko to you?

    I'm struck by the contrasts in Yoko's and May's statements about John. Yoko began hammering away at the theme of John's homo- or bisexuality practically since his murder. Yet when Geraldo Rivera asked May if John was bisexual, May answered
    emphatically: "Not with me." After a night at gay clubs with Sal Mineo and Elliot Mintz, John told May that he wanted people to think he was gay. May responded, "Nobody would consider a man who loves women as much as you do gay."

    Yoko was dismissive of John's and the Beatles' music. May is full of praise for it.

    The two women simply had starkly different attitudes towards Lennon.
    Are you denying that they both claimed they 'loved' John and somehow managed to tolerate him in spite of all his bad behavior?
    No, I agree with that. However, I believe that May's claim of loving JL was true, while Yoko's was not.

    I don't agree. May's parroting Yoko babble raises a red flag...

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  • From Rich D@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sat Apr 8 11:44:39 2023
    On February 13, Norbert K wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.
    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this?

    Art. The artistry of death.

    Look at 20th century art, the modernists/surrealists/expressionists,
    they did that type of thing. It's supposed to be shocking, "in your face"... punk

    I can imagine Lou Reed doing something like that -

    --
    Rich

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Rich D on Wed Apr 12 05:29:04 2023
    On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 1:44:41 PM UTC-5, Rich D wrote:
    On February 13, Norbert K wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.
    Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this?
    Art. The artistry of death.

    Look at 20th century art, the modernists/surrealists/expressionists,
    they did that type of thing. It's supposed to be shocking, "in your face"... punk

    I can imagine Lou Reed doing something like that -

    --
    Rich
    To me it represents a symbol of victory...a perfect murder....
    He was lured to his doom...

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  • From Joe Mahoney@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Apr 21 08:33:53 2023
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:38:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
    https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg

    Bad taste for sure. What her motive was WTF knows?

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