My father got a twinkle in his eye. "Dianne," he said dramatically, "it is time for you to know more about who you are." The pronouncement, especially coming from him, was mysterious, but I figured nothing could be worse than our sex discussion.us if we needed his help. I had no idea what to expect, but my father's obvious concern made the expectation exhilarating. I felt a buzz even before the drug took effect.
My father walked around the table passing out tabs of acid to the guests and giving out smaller tabs to me, [and her friends] Jan, and Joan.
"Put the tab on your tongue," he said. "I have some surprises for you."
I was already surprised, but since my father was giving us the drugs, I didn't hesitate to accept. He told us he would be right in the next room and that it would be best if we didn't leave the house. He beseeched us to stay inside where he could see
My father put on the new Beatles album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, and at first I didn't feel anything. Then I started to feel the music. I laughed and had to lie down. I couldn't imagine wanting to leave the house. I had a realization ofbeing a me that was more than me. I would never be able to put it into words, but somehow I knew in that moment that everything I would ever need was with me and inside me. When the song "Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite" came on, I was enthralled.
"Jan, Joan, do you see the notes?" I asked. They had to see them. They were everywhere. They were alive. Then I heard the calliope. It took up the entire room and filled me with ecstasy. I never heard anything so beautiful; it penetrated me from myfingers to my toes."
-- from Member of the Family by Dianne Lake. Lake went on to join Manson's group with the blessing of her increasingly drug-fried parents."Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:01:57 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:us if we needed his help. I had no idea what to expect, but my father's obvious concern made the expectation exhilarating. I felt a buzz even before the drug took effect.
My father got a twinkle in his eye. "Dianne," he said dramatically, "it is time for you to know more about who you are." The pronouncement, especially coming from him, was mysterious, but I figured nothing could be worse than our sex discussion.
My father walked around the table passing out tabs of acid to the guests and giving out smaller tabs to me, [and her friends] Jan, and Joan.
"Put the tab on your tongue," he said. "I have some surprises for you."
I was already surprised, but since my father was giving us the drugs, I didn't hesitate to accept. He told us he would be right in the next room and that it would be best if we didn't leave the house. He beseeched us to stay inside where he could see
of being a me that was more than me. I would never be able to put it into words, but somehow I knew in that moment that everything I would ever need was with me and inside me. When the song "Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite" came on, I was enthralled.My father put on the new Beatles album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, and at first I didn't feel anything. Then I started to feel the music. I laughed and had to lie down. I couldn't imagine wanting to leave the house. I had a realization
fingers to my toes.""Jan, Joan, do you see the notes?" I asked. They had to see them. They were everywhere. They were alive. Then I heard the calliope. It took up the entire room and filled me with ecstasy. I never heard anything so beautiful; it penetrated me from my
-- from Member of the Family by Dianne Lake. Lake went on to join Manson's group with the blessing of her increasingly drug-fried parents."Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:45:20 AM UTC-7, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:see us if we needed his help. I had no idea what to expect, but my father's obvious concern made the expectation exhilarating. I felt a buzz even before the drug took effect.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:01:57 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
My father got a twinkle in his eye. "Dianne," he said dramatically, "it is time for you to know more about who you are." The pronouncement, especially coming from him, was mysterious, but I figured nothing could be worse than our sex discussion.
My father walked around the table passing out tabs of acid to the guests and giving out smaller tabs to me, [and her friends] Jan, and Joan.
"Put the tab on your tongue," he said. "I have some surprises for you."
I was already surprised, but since my father was giving us the drugs, I didn't hesitate to accept. He told us he would be right in the next room and that it would be best if we didn't leave the house. He beseeched us to stay inside where he could
of being a me that was more than me. I would never be able to put it into words, but somehow I knew in that moment that everything I would ever need was with me and inside me. When the song "Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite" came on, I was enthralled.My father put on the new Beatles album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, and at first I didn't feel anything. Then I started to feel the music. I laughed and had to lie down. I couldn't imagine wanting to leave the house. I had a realization
fingers to my toes.""Jan, Joan, do you see the notes?" I asked. They had to see them. They were everywhere. They were alive. Then I heard the calliope. It took up the entire room and filled me with ecstasy. I never heard anything so beautiful; it penetrated me from my
murderer go.Yes, indeed. I learned a lot about Bugliosi from Chaos -- all of it bad. I also found that Roman Polanski was scummier (especially in his treatment of his wife Sharon) than I already knew he was.-- from Member of the Family by Dianne Lake. Lake went on to join Manson's group with the blessing of her increasingly drug-fried parents."Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
The much-needed reappraisal of Vincent Bugliosi (as a lawyer and as a person) is underway. Tom Bucy's book Final Argument exposes the dishonesty of Bugliosi's defense of Stephanie Stearns in the Palmyra murders. Bugliosi duped the jurors into letting a
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 9:16:14 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:see us if we needed his help. I had no idea what to expect, but my father's obvious concern made the expectation exhilarating. I felt a buzz even before the drug took effect.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:45:20 AM UTC-7, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:01:57 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
My father got a twinkle in his eye. "Dianne," he said dramatically, "it is time for you to know more about who you are." The pronouncement, especially coming from him, was mysterious, but I figured nothing could be worse than our sex discussion.
My father walked around the table passing out tabs of acid to the guests and giving out smaller tabs to me, [and her friends] Jan, and Joan.
"Put the tab on your tongue," he said. "I have some surprises for you."
I was already surprised, but since my father was giving us the drugs, I didn't hesitate to accept. He told us he would be right in the next room and that it would be best if we didn't leave the house. He beseeched us to stay inside where he could
realization of being a me that was more than me. I would never be able to put it into words, but somehow I knew in that moment that everything I would ever need was with me and inside me. When the song "Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite" came on, I wasMy father put on the new Beatles album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, and at first I didn't feel anything. Then I started to feel the music. I laughed and had to lie down. I couldn't imagine wanting to leave the house. I had a
my fingers to my toes.""Jan, Joan, do you see the notes?" I asked. They had to see them. They were everywhere. They were alive. Then I heard the calliope. It took up the entire room and filled me with ecstasy. I never heard anything so beautiful; it penetrated me from
a murderer go.Yes, indeed. I learned a lot about Bugliosi from Chaos -- all of it bad. I also found that Roman Polanski was scummier (especially in his treatment of his wife Sharon) than I already knew he was.-- from Member of the Family by Dianne Lake. Lake went on to join Manson's group with the blessing of her increasingly drug-fried parents."Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
The much-needed reappraisal of Vincent Bugliosi (as a lawyer and as a person) is underway. Tom Bucy's book Final Argument exposes the dishonesty of Bugliosi's defense of Stephanie Stearns in the Palmyra murders. Bugliosi duped the jurors into letting
I agree. I had no idea how badly Polanski treated Sharon.
I will check out the Palmyra murders. That is a new one to me...
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 7:48:44 AM UTC-7, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 9:16:14 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:45:20 AM UTC-7, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:01:57 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
My father got a twinkle in his eye. "Dianne," he said dramatically, "it is time for you to know more about who you are." The pronouncement, especially coming from him, was mysterious, but I figured nothing could be worse than our sex discussion.
could see us if we needed his help. I had no idea what to expect, but my father's obvious concern made the expectation exhilarating. I felt a buzz even before the drug took effect.My father walked around the table passing out tabs of acid to the guests and giving out smaller tabs to me, [and her friends] Jan, and Joan.
"Put the tab on your tongue," he said. "I have some surprises for you."
I was already surprised, but since my father was giving us the drugs, I didn't hesitate to accept. He told us he would be right in the next room and that it would be best if we didn't leave the house. He beseeched us to stay inside where he
realization of being a me that was more than me. I would never be able to put it into words, but somehow I knew in that moment that everything I would ever need was with me and inside me. When the song "Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite" came on, I wasMy father put on the new Beatles album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, and at first I didn't feel anything. Then I started to feel the music. I laughed and had to lie down. I couldn't imagine wanting to leave the house. I had a
from my fingers to my toes.""Jan, Joan, do you see the notes?" I asked. They had to see them. They were everywhere. They were alive. Then I heard the calliope. It took up the entire room and filled me with ecstasy. I never heard anything so beautiful; it penetrated me
letting a murderer go.Yes, indeed. I learned a lot about Bugliosi from Chaos -- all of it bad. I also found that Roman Polanski was scummier (especially in his treatment of his wife Sharon) than I already knew he was.-- from Member of the Family by Dianne Lake. Lake went on to join Manson's group with the blessing of her increasingly drug-fried parents."Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
The much-needed reappraisal of Vincent Bugliosi (as a lawyer and as a person) is underway. Tom Bucy's book Final Argument exposes the dishonesty of Bugliosi's defense of Stephanie Stearns in the Palmyra murders. Bugliosi duped the jurors into
events; the book And the Sea Will Tell, by Bruce Henderson and Vincent Bugliosi; and Final Argument by Thomas Bucy, which soundly rebuts Bugliosi's account but is rough in style.I agree. I had no idea how badly Polanski treated Sharon.If you're into true crime, the Palmyra Murders are a must!
I will check out the Palmyra murders. That is a new one to me...
There is an FBI Files episode called "Deadly Paradise" on Youtube; an ID Channel show called Dark Waters: Murder in the Deep: "Lost Paradise"; a made-for-TV miniseries called "And the Sea Will Tell," which tells Bugliosi's (false, I contend) version of
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:48:49 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:discussion.
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 7:48:44 AM UTC-7, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 9:16:14 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:45:20 AM UTC-7, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:01:57 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
My father got a twinkle in his eye. "Dianne," he said dramatically, "it is time for you to know more about who you are." The pronouncement, especially coming from him, was mysterious, but I figured nothing could be worse than our sex
could see us if we needed his help. I had no idea what to expect, but my father's obvious concern made the expectation exhilarating. I felt a buzz even before the drug took effect.My father walked around the table passing out tabs of acid to the guests and giving out smaller tabs to me, [and her friends] Jan, and Joan.
"Put the tab on your tongue," he said. "I have some surprises for you."
I was already surprised, but since my father was giving us the drugs, I didn't hesitate to accept. He told us he would be right in the next room and that it would be best if we didn't leave the house. He beseeched us to stay inside where he
realization of being a me that was more than me. I would never be able to put it into words, but somehow I knew in that moment that everything I would ever need was with me and inside me. When the song "Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite" came on, I wasMy father put on the new Beatles album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, and at first I didn't feel anything. Then I started to feel the music. I laughed and had to lie down. I couldn't imagine wanting to leave the house. I had a
from my fingers to my toes.""Jan, Joan, do you see the notes?" I asked. They had to see them. They were everywhere. They were alive. Then I heard the calliope. It took up the entire room and filled me with ecstasy. I never heard anything so beautiful; it penetrated me
letting a murderer go.Yes, indeed. I learned a lot about Bugliosi from Chaos -- all of it bad. I also found that Roman Polanski was scummier (especially in his treatment of his wife Sharon) than I already knew he was.-- from Member of the Family by Dianne Lake. Lake went on to join Manson's group with the blessing of her increasingly drug-fried parents."Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
The much-needed reappraisal of Vincent Bugliosi (as a lawyer and as a person) is underway. Tom Bucy's book Final Argument exposes the dishonesty of Bugliosi's defense of Stephanie Stearns in the Palmyra murders. Bugliosi duped the jurors into
of events; the book And the Sea Will Tell, by Bruce Henderson and Vincent Bugliosi; and Final Argument by Thomas Bucy, which soundly rebuts Bugliosi's account but is rough in style.I agree. I had no idea how badly Polanski treated Sharon.If you're into true crime, the Palmyra Murders are a must!
I will check out the Palmyra murders. That is a new one to me...
There is an FBI Files episode called "Deadly Paradise" on Youtube; an ID Channel show called Dark Waters: Murder in the Deep: "Lost Paradise"; a made-for-TV miniseries called "And the Sea Will Tell," which tells Bugliosi's (false, I contend) version
Thanks for the info. I did watch And the Sea Will Tell, and found it puzzling.
If you're into true crime, the Palmyra Murders are a must!events; the book And the Sea Will Tell, by Bruce Henderson and Vincent Bugliosi; and Final Argument by Thomas Bucy, which soundly rebuts Bugliosi's account but is rough in style.
There is an FBI Files episode called "Deadly Paradise" on Youtube; an ID Channel show called Dark Waters: Murder in the Deep: "Lost Paradise"; a made-for-TV miniseries called "And the Sea Will Tell," which tells Bugliosi's (false, I contend) version of
"Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 8:45:20 AM UTC-4, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
"Chaos" gives new insights to the events surrounding Charles Manson and his group...pretty much demolishes Bugliosi's Helter Skelter theories...There's a lot of stuff in "Chaos" - really good book. I hear Tom O'Neil is writing a follow up.
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
Amid the many issues raised I was/am really intrigued by the guy who goes by the name of "Jolly" West. When O'Neil related that West was Jack Ruby's psychologist just before Ruby went insane my Jaw dropped.
I have since learned that Jolly West was somehow involved with Timothy McVeigh after the Murrah building.
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 11:48:49 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:.of events; the book And the Sea Will Tell, by Bruce Henderson and Vincent Bugliosi; and Final Argument by Thomas Bucy, which soundly rebuts Bugliosi's account but is rough in style.
If you're into true crime, the Palmyra Murders are a must!
There is an FBI Files episode called "Deadly Paradise" on Youtube; an ID Channel show called Dark Waters: Murder in the Deep: "Lost Paradise"; a made-for-TV miniseries called "And the Sea Will Tell," which tells Bugliosi's (false, I contend) version
I have copies on dvd of The Sea Will Tell and Deadly Paradise. Never Lost Paradise though. I'll have to check it out.
Thanks.
It is ludicrous to contend, as Bugliosi did, that Buck Walker murdered both of the Graham's and stole their boat without Stearns having any idea what was going on.
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:36:30 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
It is ludicrous to contend, as Bugliosi did, that Buck Walker murdered both of the Graham's and stole their boat without Stearns having any idea what was going on.
So what do you think about this guy's take on things. It's a two part video: the first recaps events, the second discusses why he thinks Bugliosi was right.
I also find it hard to believe Stearns was innocent -- why would she agree to paint over the boat and change the name if there were nothing amiss?
But I am having trouble with the first question; although it's all mere speculation. But the second, (about why Buck Walker wouldn't have turned on her), that indeed has me stumped. The guy was no Sir Galahad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_0DmVIVVpQ
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 9:30:53 PM UTC-7, Laughing Jaw wrote:What this meant for Buck is that Stephanie was as pathological as he was.
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:36:30 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
It is ludicrous to contend, as Bugliosi did, that Buck Walker murdered both of the Graham's and stole their boat without Stearns having any idea what was going on.
So what do you think about this guy's take on things. It's a two part video: the first recaps events, the second discusses why he thinks Bugliosi was right.
I also find it hard to believe Stearns was innocent -- why would she agree to paint over the boat and change the name if there were nothing amiss?
But I am having trouble with the first question; although it's all mere speculation. But the second, (about why Buck Walker wouldn't have turned on her), that indeed has me stumped. The guy was no Sir Galahad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_0DmVIVVpQThanks for continuing to discuss this, Laughing Jaw. This case is one that fascinates the hell out of me.
So why didn't Buck turn on Stephanie? My suspicions are that (1) they were soulmates in psychopathy. Buck boasted to one of his fellow prison inmates that Stephanie would never talk about what had occurred on Palmyra because she was a "stand-up girl."
And (2) blaming the murders on Stephanie, even if they were her idea (as most of the participants believed they were) wouldn't have helped him. Buck had a deep criminal history -- that's why he fled to Palmyra in the first place. Stephanie joined himon th3e Palmyra jaunt because she was crazy and murderous, too.
Stephanie's first post-Buck boyfriend was another murderer, BTW.
Stearns is still alive, BTW, and she runs a senior center in Hawaii.
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