There is some confusion over when The Beatles' lead guitarist was born, with George Harrison himself promoting the story that it was recorded as 25 February 1943 at 12:10 am locally for Liverpool, but because the UK was in an extended British SummerTime from 25 February 1940 to 7 October 1945, this long-term 'daylight-saving time' adjustment was perceived as altering his 'actual' birth date, which to his mind should have been 24 February 1943, considering wartime change as an aberration that
According towas before midnight means that even if the wartime protracted extra hour of DST were invalidated, his birthday would still have been February Twenty-Fourth, only at 10:50 pm locally (an hour earlier); but everyone was following the system, which never
http://www.beatlesfaq.com/2015/09/which-beatle-had-two-birhdays.html
<< The official time-of-birth is recorded as 23.50, February 24. >>
So the family story of his birth must have inverted whether it was ten minutes before or after midnight 24/25 February 1943, causing him to incorrectly believe it was after, and that 25 February was his dubiously official birthdate. The fact that it
Astrologers are interested in synchronizing official times with celestial calculations, so it was intriguing to discover, by plugging in the Liverpool coordinates and official natal time of 24 February 11:50 pm BST (UTC with imposed DST), that Georgewas born at the moment the Moon was precisely at the Ascendant, meaning it was the lunar dawning on the horizon, local Moonrise - consequently the Sun was simultaneously conjoined with the Part of Fortune.
Ironically, while this feature in his natal chart would have played into the lyrics of such hit original songs as "Here Comes The Sun" and "Here Comes The Moon," it is obvious Harrison never saw the proper chart, looking instead at 25 February 12:10 amBST and thinking it should be UTC instead of an hour off (because it was not summer yet).
It is typical to acknowledge John Lennon's 9 October 1940 birth was close to the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, occurring roughly every twenty years, while the generated chart shows the Moon unexpectedly participating in an Earth-sign Grand Trinewith two planets, one known for eccentric behavior, the other associated with the subconscious and intuition.
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:Time from 25 February 1940 to 7 October 1945, this long-term 'daylight-saving time' adjustment was perceived as altering his 'actual' birth date, which to his mind should have been 24 February 1943, considering wartime change as an aberration that
There is some confusion over when The Beatles' lead guitarist was born, with George Harrison himself promoting the story that it was recorded as 25 February 1943 at 12:10 am locally for Liverpool, but because the UK was in an extended British Summer
was before midnight means that even if the wartime protracted extra hour of DST were invalidated, his birthday would still have been February Twenty-Fourth, only at 10:50 pm locally (an hour earlier); but everyone was following the system, which never
According to
http://www.beatlesfaq.com/2015/09/which-beatle-had-two-birhdays.html
<< The official time-of-birth is recorded as 23.50, February 24. >>
So the family story of his birth must have inverted whether it was ten minutes before or after midnight 24/25 February 1943, causing him to incorrectly believe it was after, and that 25 February was his dubiously official birthdate. The fact that it
was born at the moment the Moon was precisely at the Ascendant, meaning it was the lunar dawning on the horizon, local Moonrise - consequently the Sun was simultaneously conjoined with the Part of Fortune.
Astrologers are interested in synchronizing official times with celestial calculations, so it was intriguing to discover, by plugging in the Liverpool coordinates and official natal time of 24 February 11:50 pm BST (UTC with imposed DST), that George
am BST and thinking it should be UTC instead of an hour off (because it was not summer yet).
Ironically, while this feature in his natal chart would have played into the lyrics of such hit original songs as "Here Comes The Sun" and "Here Comes The Moon," it is obvious Harrison never saw the proper chart, looking instead at 25 February 12:10
with two planets, one known for eccentric behavior, the other associated with the subconscious and intuition.
It is typical to acknowledge John Lennon's 9 October 1940 birth was close to the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, occurring roughly every twenty years, while the generated chart shows the Moon unexpectedly participating in an Earth-sign Grand Trine
There was a Full Moon on 20 February 1943, so Moonrise a few nights later would have been impressive.ambiguity.
For summer during the wartime period there was BDST (British Double Summer Time), putting the UK two hours off UTC; Ringo Starr was also born during the same war time-shift, and apparently close to midnight (7 July 1940, 12:05 am BST), without citing
The regular DST did not apply when Ringo was born, but BST (one-hour offset) was being imposed long-term - DST did not return until May 1941, when BDST began, adding it in for a two-hour offset.hours before the Moon near the latter pair in Leo reached Mercury. For McCartney, Mars and Pluto again conjoined the day after, coinciding with Jupiter making an aspect within an adjacent sign - and around 2:22 pm BDST, Neptune was at the Ascendant and
The only Beatle born during BDST was Paul McCartney on 18 June 1942 (at 2 pm). There were various aspects and conjunctions close to the respective births of Paul and Ringo. Starr was born the day before the Ceres-Neptune and Mars-Pluto conjuncts,
On 17/08/2021 10:37 am, Curtis Eagal wrote:Time from 25 February 1940 to 7 October 1945, this long-term 'daylight-saving time' adjustment was perceived as altering his 'actual' birth date, which to his mind should have been 24 February 1943, considering wartime change as an aberration that
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
There is some confusion over when The Beatles' lead guitarist was born, with George Harrison himself promoting the story that it was recorded as 25 February 1943 at 12:10 am locally for Liverpool, but because the UK was in an extended British Summer
was before midnight means that even if the wartime protracted extra hour of DST were invalidated, his birthday would still have been February Twenty-Fourth, only at 10:50 pm locally (an hour earlier); but everyone was following the system, which never
According to
http://www.beatlesfaq.com/2015/09/which-beatle-had-two-birhdays.html
<< The official time-of-birth is recorded as 23.50, February 24. >>
So the family story of his birth must have inverted whether it was ten minutes before or after midnight 24/25 February 1943, causing him to incorrectly believe it was after, and that 25 February was his dubiously official birthdate. The fact that it
George was born at the moment the Moon was precisely at the Ascendant, meaning it was the lunar dawning on the horizon, local Moonrise - consequently the Sun was simultaneously conjoined with the Part of Fortune.
Astrologers are interested in synchronizing official times with celestial calculations, so it was intriguing to discover, by plugging in the Liverpool coordinates and official natal time of 24 February 11:50 pm BST (UTC with imposed DST), that
am BST and thinking it should be UTC instead of an hour off (because it was not summer yet).
Ironically, while this feature in his natal chart would have played into the lyrics of such hit original songs as "Here Comes The Sun" and "Here Comes The Moon," it is obvious Harrison never saw the proper chart, looking instead at 25 February 12:10
Trine with two planets, one known for eccentric behavior, the other associated with the subconscious and intuition.
It is typical to acknowledge John Lennon's 9 October 1940 birth was close to the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, occurring roughly every twenty years, while the generated chart shows the Moon unexpectedly participating in an Earth-sign Grand
ambiguity.There was a Full Moon on 20 February 1943, so Moonrise a few nights later would have been impressive.
For summer during the wartime period there was BDST (British Double Summer Time), putting the UK two hours off UTC; Ringo Starr was also born during the same war time-shift, and apparently close to midnight (7 July 1940, 12:05 am BST), without citing
hours before the Moon near the latter pair in Leo reached Mercury. For McCartney, Mars and Pluto again conjoined the day after, coinciding with Jupiter making an aspect within an adjacent sign - and around 2:22 pm BDST, Neptune was at the Ascendant andThe regular DST did not apply when Ringo was born, but BST (one-hour offset) was being imposed long-term - DST did not return until May 1941, when BDST began, adding it in for a two-hour offset.
The only Beatle born during BDST was Paul McCartney on 18 June 1942 (at 2 pm). There were various aspects and conjunctions close to the respective births of Paul and Ringo. Starr was born the day before the Ceres-Neptune and Mars-Pluto conjuncts,
Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoff
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:Summer Time from 25 February 1940 to 7 October 1945, this long-term 'daylight-saving time' adjustment was perceived as altering his 'actual' birth date, which to his mind should have been 24 February 1943, considering wartime change as an aberration that
On 17/08/2021 10:37 am, Curtis Eagal wrote:
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
There is some confusion over when The Beatles' lead guitarist was born, with George Harrison himself promoting the story that it was recorded as 25 February 1943 at 12:10 am locally for Liverpool, but because the UK was in an extended British
it was before midnight means that even if the wartime protracted extra hour of DST were invalidated, his birthday would still have been February Twenty-Fourth, only at 10:50 pm locally (an hour earlier); but everyone was following the system, which never
According to
http://www.beatlesfaq.com/2015/09/which-beatle-had-two-birhdays.html
<< The official time-of-birth is recorded as 23.50, February 24. >>
So the family story of his birth must have inverted whether it was ten minutes before or after midnight 24/25 February 1943, causing him to incorrectly believe it was after, and that 25 February was his dubiously official birthdate. The fact that
George was born at the moment the Moon was precisely at the Ascendant, meaning it was the lunar dawning on the horizon, local Moonrise - consequently the Sun was simultaneously conjoined with the Part of Fortune.
Astrologers are interested in synchronizing official times with celestial calculations, so it was intriguing to discover, by plugging in the Liverpool coordinates and official natal time of 24 February 11:50 pm BST (UTC with imposed DST), that
10 am BST and thinking it should be UTC instead of an hour off (because it was not summer yet).
Ironically, while this feature in his natal chart would have played into the lyrics of such hit original songs as "Here Comes The Sun" and "Here Comes The Moon," it is obvious Harrison never saw the proper chart, looking instead at 25 February 12:
Trine with two planets, one known for eccentric behavior, the other associated with the subconscious and intuition.
It is typical to acknowledge John Lennon's 9 October 1940 birth was close to the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, occurring roughly every twenty years, while the generated chart shows the Moon unexpectedly participating in an Earth-sign Grand
citing ambiguity.There was a Full Moon on 20 February 1943, so Moonrise a few nights later would have been impressive.
For summer during the wartime period there was BDST (British Double Summer Time), putting the UK two hours off UTC; Ringo Starr was also born during the same war time-shift, and apparently close to midnight (7 July 1940, 12:05 am BST), without
hours before the Moon near the latter pair in Leo reached Mercury. For McCartney, Mars and Pluto again conjoined the day after, coinciding with Jupiter making an aspect within an adjacent sign - and around 2:22 pm BDST, Neptune was at the Ascendant andThe regular DST did not apply when Ringo was born, but BST (one-hour offset) was being imposed long-term - DST did not return until May 1941, when BDST began, adding it in for a two-hour offset.
The only Beatle born during BDST was Paul McCartney on 18 June 1942 (at 2 pm). There were various aspects and conjunctions close to the respective births of Paul and Ringo. Starr was born the day before the Ceres-Neptune and Mars-Pluto conjuncts,
Lennon's birth is again an astronomical fact that merely exists for that day.Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoffWhat I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.
No, it was more of a judicial astrology analysis of the natal charts in their specific circumstantial contexts. The documentation discovered for Harrison's birth matches the Moonrise condition, as a factual matter. The Grand Trine observation about
But the coincidence of Paul and Ringo eventually even meeting with parallel-complementary aspects attending their respective births exceeds normal probability. It could perhaps make sense that Mars and Pluto conjoin with the correct frequency so thatCeres and Neptune would be together in one instance and in opposition during another, but only a higher power could be 'staging' the planetary positions around various births. Sometimes celestial bodies retrograde, seeming to appear going backwards from
McCartney had a friend named Ivan Vaughn with whom he went to fairgrounds around the time he had first learned to play the guitar, after the death of his mother who had purchased one for him - Paul's brother said it was like he lost his mother andgained the guitar. Vaughn was born on the exact same day as McCartney himself, so they were astrological twins.
History marked the day of Stuart Sutcliffe's birth, since it was the day Hitler paraded into Paris as its conqueror, but in tandem with that reality is the day had another Grand Trine, between the Moon, Node and Juno in the air signs. There werespecific aspects activated during recent events like the Haiti quake (14 August) occurring just as Pluto and Pallas were retrograding to the same relative position for a 60-degree angle; the Miami condominium collapse (24 June) arrived as Chiron and
So I suppose the value of building towards a consensus of those who think there is no correlation between the planetary influences and the daily lives we live is directly proportional to the amount of pertinent research the people whose opinions arevalues have actually done, with particular attention to the issue of probability, which your post demonstrates has gone completely over your head.
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:49:27 PM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:Summer Time from 25 February 1940 to 7 October 1945, this long-term 'daylight-saving time' adjustment was perceived as altering his 'actual' birth date, which to his mind should have been 24 February 1943, considering wartime change as an aberration that
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
On 17/08/2021 10:37 am, Curtis Eagal wrote:
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
There is some confusion over when The Beatles' lead guitarist was born, with George Harrison himself promoting the story that it was recorded as 25 February 1943 at 12:10 am locally for Liverpool, but because the UK was in an extended British
that it was before midnight means that even if the wartime protracted extra hour of DST were invalidated, his birthday would still have been February Twenty-Fourth, only at 10:50 pm locally (an hour earlier); but everyone was following the system, which
According to
http://www.beatlesfaq.com/2015/09/which-beatle-had-two-birhdays.html >>
<< The official time-of-birth is recorded as 23.50, February 24. >> >>
So the family story of his birth must have inverted whether it was ten minutes before or after midnight 24/25 February 1943, causing him to incorrectly believe it was after, and that 25 February was his dubiously official birthdate. The fact
George was born at the moment the Moon was precisely at the Ascendant, meaning it was the lunar dawning on the horizon, local Moonrise - consequently the Sun was simultaneously conjoined with the Part of Fortune.
Astrologers are interested in synchronizing official times with celestial calculations, so it was intriguing to discover, by plugging in the Liverpool coordinates and official natal time of 24 February 11:50 pm BST (UTC with imposed DST), that
12:10 am BST and thinking it should be UTC instead of an hour off (because it was not summer yet).
Ironically, while this feature in his natal chart would have played into the lyrics of such hit original songs as "Here Comes The Sun" and "Here Comes The Moon," it is obvious Harrison never saw the proper chart, looking instead at 25 February
Trine with two planets, one known for eccentric behavior, the other associated with the subconscious and intuition.
It is typical to acknowledge John Lennon's 9 October 1940 birth was close to the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, occurring roughly every twenty years, while the generated chart shows the Moon unexpectedly participating in an Earth-sign Grand
citing ambiguity.There was a Full Moon on 20 February 1943, so Moonrise a few nights later would have been impressive.
For summer during the wartime period there was BDST (British Double Summer Time), putting the UK two hours off UTC; Ringo Starr was also born during the same war time-shift, and apparently close to midnight (7 July 1940, 12:05 am BST), without
hours before the Moon near the latter pair in Leo reached Mercury. For McCartney, Mars and Pluto again conjoined the day after, coinciding with Jupiter making an aspect within an adjacent sign - and around 2:22 pm BDST, Neptune was at the Ascendant andThe regular DST did not apply when Ringo was born, but BST (one-hour offset) was being imposed long-term - DST did not return until May 1941, when BDST began, adding it in for a two-hour offset.
The only Beatle born during BDST was Paul McCartney on 18 June 1942 (at 2 pm). There were various aspects and conjunctions close to the respective births of Paul and Ringo. Starr was born the day before the Ceres-Neptune and Mars-Pluto conjuncts,
Lennon's birth is again an astronomical fact that merely exists for that day.Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoffWhat I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.
No, it was more of a judicial astrology analysis of the natal charts in their specific circumstantial contexts. The documentation discovered for Harrison's birth matches the Moonrise condition, as a factual matter. The Grand Trine observation about
Ceres and Neptune would be together in one instance and in opposition during another, but only a higher power could be 'staging' the planetary positions around various births. Sometimes celestial bodies retrograde, seeming to appear going backwards fromBut the coincidence of Paul and Ringo eventually even meeting with parallel-complementary aspects attending their respective births exceeds normal probability. It could perhaps make sense that Mars and Pluto conjoin with the correct frequency so that
gained the guitar. Vaughn was born on the exact same day as McCartney himself, so they were astrological twins.McCartney had a friend named Ivan Vaughn with whom he went to fairgrounds around the time he had first learned to play the guitar, after the death of his mother who had purchased one for him - Paul's brother said it was like he lost his mother and
specific aspects activated during recent events like the Haiti quake (14 August) occurring just as Pluto and Pallas were retrograding to the same relative position for a 60-degree angle; the Miami condominium collapse (24 June) arrived as Chiron andHistory marked the day of Stuart Sutcliffe's birth, since it was the day Hitler paraded into Paris as its conqueror, but in tandem with that reality is the day had another Grand Trine, between the Moon, Node and Juno in the air signs. There were
values have actually done, with particular attention to the issue of probability, which your post demonstrates has gone completely over your head.So I suppose the value of building towards a consensus of those who think there is no correlation between the planetary influences and the daily lives we live is directly proportional to the amount of pertinent research the people whose opinions are
I admit to inferring the planets involved in the lunar Grand Trine for John Lennon's birth did inform his personality to some extent. The Moon only takes about 2.5 days to travel through a sign, so it is occasionally in position to make a perfectequilateral triangular configuration with two other celestial bodies in a corresponding trine; the Part of Fortune calculation and the Vertex also move quickly within their own parameters; and the Nodes are where the Moon meets the Ecliptic during
For 9 October 1940 in Britain, over about an hour pre-dawn the Capricorn Moon was passing through the positions putting it in the Grand Trine, from slightly beyond 25.5 degrees (position of the planet in Taurus whose name translates to 'Heaven') toabout 26 degrees (position of the planet in Virgo depicted by a Pitchfork, with an oceanic connotation). The planetary associations with various tendencies can be debated, yet the positions of the celestial bodies themselves are incontrovertible.
Unfortunately, Harrison could have gone to the most skilled astrologer and gotten disappointing results because he was unknowingly giving false information passed on, rather than having found the proper documentation (which is purported to exist); hisprejudice against the British long-term imposed wartime DST brought him further from the truth, that issue is inconsequential once the correction is made using the available records. It was a case of garbage in, garbage out, whereas if George had sought
Adding prophecy into the mix with astrology makes things more complicated -verses. The Taurean Alignment of May 2000 had a peak on 4 May, cryptically described in a verse that predicted hail falling larger than an egg - on 18 May 2000 hail of that size indeed did fall in the Chicago area. We are only now beginning to see what
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/5BwPhZMpovY/m/-nJSr25uo-AJ
16 September 2001:
<< The Moon moving into Cancer in the aftermath fits IV.24's calamitous
war under Cancer, ready for fulfillment... the verse
seems to require the sceptre-like planetary alignment of May 2000. >>
I wrote that a few days after the 9-11 attacks, after noticing the Moon subsequently moved into Cancer - but there was the same lunar Cancer situation on 8 October 2001, the day after the Afghan war commenced, key facts of which are encoded in other
When Newton developed calculus, he did not take a poll over whether it was popular, understood, and widely accepted, he simply manifested his theorized truth based on logic. Rationally combining world events and celestial conditions is a game societyat large never wanted to play, because it isn't easy.
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoff
What I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.
On 17/08/2021 6:49 pm, Curtis Eagal wrote:
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoff
What I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.Yes 'could'. On a statistically equal chance as those born in any other 'astrological periods.
geoff
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:58:11 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:objective fact by the way certain aspects recurred with variations. I have not dealt with the synastry, which I think is extremely subjective.
On 17/08/2021 6:49 pm, Curtis Eagal wrote:
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoff
What I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.Yes 'could'. On a statistically equal chance as those born in any other 'astrological periods.
geoffBut I haven't been doing normal astrology, which is subjective in ascribing qualities and attributes to various influences: what I presented was judicial astrology, which unexpectedly showed that the group in halves had parallel natal conditions, as an
I can look at McCartney's natal chart and some Moon phase records to surmise there was the sliver of a crescent Moon visible in the daytime sky then. A thing like that is not a matter of debate: I am merely extending that undisputed knowledge into thearea of celestial movements, and explaining how their aspects might speak for themselves.
The element of the Grand Trines is most unusual.conjunct) - one point of the triangle at the Ascendant makes it appear pointing to the left.
Ringo was born Late-night with a dark, empty sky, then as the 'Heavens' planet rose on the horizon it formed a Grand Trine with the Midheaven point and the Ceres-Neptune pair near conjoining (which happened the next day, along with a Mars-Pluto
John was born a few minutes after Sunset, whereas that morning the Moon (waxing from a Half Moon) was involved in a majestic Grand Trine with the 'Heavens' planet and the 'Ocean' planet (Yoko Ono's name translates to 'Ocean Child'): by the time of hisbirth the Moon had progressed about 8 degrees out of the Grand Trine position - the orientation of the triangle in the chart is askew, like John would pull his tie askew as a small rebellion to Epstein's management of their image.
Paul would have a reprise of the Mars-Pluto conjunct also happening the day after his birth, then with Ceres and Neptune in opposition instead of conjoining. About twenty minutes after his Mid-Day birth, the Ceres-Neptune opposition aligned with theEcliptic; Paul emerged unable to breathe since the umbilical cord was around his neck strangling him. Then an hour after his birth, a seemingly perfectly symmetrical and centered Grand Trine was formed with the Juno-South Node trine as its horizontal
George's nativity had a reprise of the trine relationship between the 'Heavens' and 'Ocean' planets that was significant for John's natal chart; his birth at Moonrise contrasts John's at Sunset. However, Mercury is placed so that it mimics where theMoon was post-Grand Trine for John's birth time, about 8 degrees from the ideal spot. The recurring trine appears as a horizontal base, but in a position to be at the top, as if the triangle would have been inverted to point downwards had it been
Those are objective observations that justify the study of astrology, simply because those four people found each other, while having so many similarities and contrasts within their charts, particularly when considering the pairing of Paul and Ringo,as distinct from John and George. Of course fans do not need an astrological analysis to appreciate the collaborative dynamic between Lennon and McCartney: Paul would write the lyric, 'It's getting better all the time," and John would counter with, "It
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 7:04:30 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:an objective fact by the way certain aspects recurred with variations. I have not dealt with the synastry, which I think is extremely subjective.
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:58:11 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
On 17/08/2021 6:49 pm, Curtis Eagal wrote:But I haven't been doing normal astrology, which is subjective in ascribing qualities and attributes to various influences: what I presented was judicial astrology, which unexpectedly showed that the group in halves had parallel natal conditions, as
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:Yes 'could'. On a statistically equal chance as those born in any other
Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoff
What I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.
'astrological periods.
geoff
area of celestial movements, and explaining how their aspects might speak for themselves.
I can look at McCartney's natal chart and some Moon phase records to surmise there was the sliver of a crescent Moon visible in the daytime sky then. A thing like that is not a matter of debate: I am merely extending that undisputed knowledge into the
conjunct) - one point of the triangle at the Ascendant makes it appear pointing to the left.
The element of the Grand Trines is most unusual.
Ringo was born Late-night with a dark, empty sky, then as the 'Heavens' planet rose on the horizon it formed a Grand Trine with the Midheaven point and the Ceres-Neptune pair near conjoining (which happened the next day, along with a Mars-Pluto
birth the Moon had progressed about 8 degrees out of the Grand Trine position - the orientation of the triangle in the chart is askew, like John would pull his tie askew as a small rebellion to Epstein's management of their image.
John was born a few minutes after Sunset, whereas that morning the Moon (waxing from a Half Moon) was involved in a majestic Grand Trine with the 'Heavens' planet and the 'Ocean' planet (Yoko Ono's name translates to 'Ocean Child'): by the time of his
Ecliptic; Paul emerged unable to breathe since the umbilical cord was around his neck strangling him. Then an hour after his birth, a seemingly perfectly symmetrical and centered Grand Trine was formed with the Juno-South Node trine as its horizontal
Paul would have a reprise of the Mars-Pluto conjunct also happening the day after his birth, then with Ceres and Neptune in opposition instead of conjoining. About twenty minutes after his Mid-Day birth, the Ceres-Neptune opposition aligned with the
Moon was post-Grand Trine for John's birth time, about 8 degrees from the ideal spot. The recurring trine appears as a horizontal base, but in a position to be at the top, as if the triangle would have been inverted to point downwards had it been
George's nativity had a reprise of the trine relationship between the 'Heavens' and 'Ocean' planets that was significant for John's natal chart; his birth at Moonrise contrasts John's at Sunset. However, Mercury is placed so that it mimics where the
as distinct from John and George. Of course fans do not need an astrological analysis to appreciate the collaborative dynamic between Lennon and McCartney: Paul would write the lyric, 'It's getting better all the time," and John would counter with, "It
Those are objective observations that justify the study of astrology, simply because those four people found each other, while having so many similarities and contrasts within their charts, particularly when considering the pairing of Paul and Ringo,
Another oddity is the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of the era, that is to say there were THREE conjunctions between them over 1940-41happening.
https://www.astropro.com/features/tables/geo/ju-sa/ju000sa.html
|AUG 08, 1940 | 01:21 AM | 000 | 14TA27 | 14TA27 |
|OCT 20, 1940 | 04:38 AM | 000 | 12TA28R | 12TA28R|
|FEB 15, 1941 | 06:38 AM | 000 | 09TA07 | 09TA07 |
This is extremely rare, compared to the 7 BCE conditions thought to have manifested the Bethlehem Star that the Magi linked to Messianic prophecies by Daniel from the Babylonian Captivity, prompting their journey to locate Christ's Nativity as it was
|MAY 29, -6 | 09:13 AM | 000 | 20PI56 | 20PI56 |planet at the Ascendant that activated the Grand Trine pointing leftward, at itself - so it is not so much pointing towards the Left, but instead to 'The Heavens.'
|OCT 01, -6 | 06:02 AM | 000 | 17PI25R | 17PI25R|
|DEC 05, -6 | 02:46 PM | 000 | 15PI34 | 15PI34 |
Yet it was repeated 1980-81:
|DEC 31, 1980 | 09:17 PM | 000 | 09LI30 | 09LI30 |
|MAR 04, 1981 | 06:55 PM | 000 | 08LI06R | 08LI06R|
|JUL 24, 1981 | 04:13 AM | 000 | 04LI56 | 04LI56 |
The next recurrence of the triple conjunction won't be until 2238-39!
Taking the uniquely individual symbolism in the context of each of the natal Grand Trines coalescing, their implicit character could gain clarity: while Jupiter and Saturn rose into the dark, empty sky shortly after Starr's birth, it was the 'Heavens'
The subsequent birth conditions for Lennon introduced the 'Ocean' planet with the 'Heavens' planet into a significant lunar Grand Trine [3:33 am BST], and I detected a hint of nautical cosmic wit in that three minutes after his 6:30 pm BST birth, Venus,positioned under the remaining triangle base [also near the 'Ocean' planet with it in Virgo] of the disintegrated Grand Trine had a trine aspect itself with the fast-moving Part of Fortune accelerating towards the Midheaven point - this gives the visual
With McCartney the natal Grand Trine appearing an hour after his Mid-Day birth looking like a flawless pyramid could also be seen as a fountain, with the non-leaning Prime Vertical as a conceptually endless stream of fresh water shooting from the top.had returned to a trine relationship (the potential horizontal top-base of an inverted Grand Trine), being less than forty minutes (two-thirds) of a degree apart in relative locations; Mercury is definitively placed with an offset of about 8 degrees from
As explained, there is no Grand Trine for Harrison's nativity, instead displaying some homage to the Lennon birth by mimicking the post-lunar Grand Trine condition of John's actual birth time - it was years later, but the 'Ocean' and 'Heavens' planets
So the separate birth sequences, through some quirk of Fate, each coalesced with Grand Trine implications that respectively connoted with contextual symbolism for The Heavens, Ocean, Fountain and Earth. Far from being something anyone could plan, ittakes some sleuthing of the judicial astrology sort to even be aware of these Grand Trines: none of them occur at the exact time of birth, two of them rely on the conceptual Midheaven point, and one is not a Grand Trine at all - only the one for John was
On 19/08/2021 9:10 am, Curtis Eagal wrote:an objective fact by the way certain aspects recurred with variations. I have not dealt with the synastry, which I think is extremely subjective.
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 7:04:30 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:58:11 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
On 17/08/2021 6:49 pm, Curtis Eagal wrote:But I haven't been doing normal astrology, which is subjective in ascribing qualities and attributes to various influences: what I presented was judicial astrology, which unexpectedly showed that the group in halves had parallel natal conditions, as
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:Yes 'could'. On a statistically equal chance as those born in any other >>> 'astrological periods.
Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoff
What I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.
geoff
the area of celestial movements, and explaining how their aspects might speak for themselves.
I can look at McCartney's natal chart and some Moon phase records to surmise there was the sliver of a crescent Moon visible in the daytime sky then. A thing like that is not a matter of debate: I am merely extending that undisputed knowledge into
conjunct) - one point of the triangle at the Ascendant makes it appear pointing to the left.
The element of the Grand Trines is most unusual.
Ringo was born Late-night with a dark, empty sky, then as the 'Heavens' planet rose on the horizon it formed a Grand Trine with the Midheaven point and the Ceres-Neptune pair near conjoining (which happened the next day, along with a Mars-Pluto
his birth the Moon had progressed about 8 degrees out of the Grand Trine position - the orientation of the triangle in the chart is askew, like John would pull his tie askew as a small rebellion to Epstein's management of their image.
John was born a few minutes after Sunset, whereas that morning the Moon (waxing from a Half Moon) was involved in a majestic Grand Trine with the 'Heavens' planet and the 'Ocean' planet (Yoko Ono's name translates to 'Ocean Child'): by the time of
Ecliptic; Paul emerged unable to breathe since the umbilical cord was around his neck strangling him. Then an hour after his birth, a seemingly perfectly symmetrical and centered Grand Trine was formed with the Juno-South Node trine as its horizontal
Paul would have a reprise of the Mars-Pluto conjunct also happening the day after his birth, then with Ceres and Neptune in opposition instead of conjoining. About twenty minutes after his Mid-Day birth, the Ceres-Neptune opposition aligned with the
Moon was post-Grand Trine for John's birth time, about 8 degrees from the ideal spot. The recurring trine appears as a horizontal base, but in a position to be at the top, as if the triangle would have been inverted to point downwards had it been
George's nativity had a reprise of the trine relationship between the 'Heavens' and 'Ocean' planets that was significant for John's natal chart; his birth at Moonrise contrasts John's at Sunset. However, Mercury is placed so that it mimics where the
as distinct from John and George. Of course fans do not need an astrological analysis to appreciate the collaborative dynamic between Lennon and McCartney: Paul would write the lyric, 'It's getting better all the time," and John would counter with, "It
Those are objective observations that justify the study of astrology, simply because those four people found each other, while having so many similarities and contrasts within their charts, particularly when considering the pairing of Paul and Ringo,
happening.Another oddity is the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of the era, that is to say there were THREE conjunctions between them over 1940-41
https://www.astropro.com/features/tables/geo/ju-sa/ju000sa.html
|AUG 08, 1940 | 01:21 AM | 000 | 14TA27 | 14TA27 |
|OCT 20, 1940 | 04:38 AM | 000 | 12TA28R | 12TA28R|
|FEB 15, 1941 | 06:38 AM | 000 | 09TA07 | 09TA07 |
This is extremely rare, compared to the 7 BCE conditions thought to have manifested the Bethlehem Star that the Magi linked to Messianic prophecies by Daniel from the Babylonian Captivity, prompting their journey to locate Christ's Nativity as it was
planet at the Ascendant that activated the Grand Trine pointing leftward, at itself - so it is not so much pointing towards the Left, but instead to 'The Heavens.'|MAY 29, -6 | 09:13 AM | 000 | 20PI56 | 20PI56 |
|OCT 01, -6 | 06:02 AM | 000 | 17PI25R | 17PI25R|
|DEC 05, -6 | 02:46 PM | 000 | 15PI34 | 15PI34 |
Yet it was repeated 1980-81:
|DEC 31, 1980 | 09:17 PM | 000 | 09LI30 | 09LI30 |
|MAR 04, 1981 | 06:55 PM | 000 | 08LI06R | 08LI06R|
|JUL 24, 1981 | 04:13 AM | 000 | 04LI56 | 04LI56 |
The next recurrence of the triple conjunction won't be until 2238-39!
Taking the uniquely individual symbolism in the context of each of the natal Grand Trines coalescing, their implicit character could gain clarity: while Jupiter and Saturn rose into the dark, empty sky shortly after Starr's birth, it was the 'Heavens'
Venus, positioned under the remaining triangle base [also near the 'Ocean' planet with it in Virgo] of the disintegrated Grand Trine had a trine aspect itself with the fast-moving Part of Fortune accelerating towards the Midheaven point - this gives theThe subsequent birth conditions for Lennon introduced the 'Ocean' planet with the 'Heavens' planet into a significant lunar Grand Trine [3:33 am BST], and I detected a hint of nautical cosmic wit in that three minutes after his 6:30 pm BST birth,
With McCartney the natal Grand Trine appearing an hour after his Mid-Day birth looking like a flawless pyramid could also be seen as a fountain, with the non-leaning Prime Vertical as a conceptually endless stream of fresh water shooting from the top.
planets had returned to a trine relationship (the potential horizontal top-base of an inverted Grand Trine), being less than forty minutes (two-thirds) of a degree apart in relative locations; Mercury is definitively placed with an offset of about 8As explained, there is no Grand Trine for Harrison's nativity, instead displaying some homage to the Lennon birth by mimicking the post-lunar Grand Trine condition of John's actual birth time - it was years later, but the 'Ocean' and 'Heavens'
takes some sleuthing of the judicial astrology sort to even be aware of these Grand Trines: none of them occur at the exact time of birth, two of them rely on the conceptual Midheaven point, and one is not a Grand Trine at all - only the one for John wasSo the separate birth sequences, through some quirk of Fate, each coalesced with Grand Trine implications that respectively connoted with contextual symbolism for The Heavens, Ocean, Fountain and Earth. Far from being something anyone could plan, it
And meanwhile, in the real world ....
geoff
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:Summer Time from 25 February 1940 to 7 October 1945, this long-term 'daylight-saving time' adjustment was perceived as altering his 'actual' birth date, which to his mind should have been 24 February 1943, considering wartime change as an aberration that
On 17/08/2021 10:37 am, Curtis Eagal wrote:
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:19:41 PM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
There is some confusion over when The Beatles' lead guitarist was born, with George Harrison himself promoting the story that it was recorded as 25 February 1943 at 12:10 am locally for Liverpool, but because the UK was in an extended British
it was before midnight means that even if the wartime protracted extra hour of DST were invalidated, his birthday would still have been February Twenty-Fourth, only at 10:50 pm locally (an hour earlier); but everyone was following the system, which never
According to
http://www.beatlesfaq.com/2015/09/which-beatle-had-two-birhdays.html
<< The official time-of-birth is recorded as 23.50, February 24. >>
So the family story of his birth must have inverted whether it was ten minutes before or after midnight 24/25 February 1943, causing him to incorrectly believe it was after, and that 25 February was his dubiously official birthdate. The fact that
George was born at the moment the Moon was precisely at the Ascendant, meaning it was the lunar dawning on the horizon, local Moonrise - consequently the Sun was simultaneously conjoined with the Part of Fortune.
Astrologers are interested in synchronizing official times with celestial calculations, so it was intriguing to discover, by plugging in the Liverpool coordinates and official natal time of 24 February 11:50 pm BST (UTC with imposed DST), that
10 am BST and thinking it should be UTC instead of an hour off (because it was not summer yet).
Ironically, while this feature in his natal chart would have played into the lyrics of such hit original songs as "Here Comes The Sun" and "Here Comes The Moon," it is obvious Harrison never saw the proper chart, looking instead at 25 February 12:
Trine with two planets, one known for eccentric behavior, the other associated with the subconscious and intuition.
It is typical to acknowledge John Lennon's 9 October 1940 birth was close to the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, occurring roughly every twenty years, while the generated chart shows the Moon unexpectedly participating in an Earth-sign Grand
citing ambiguity.There was a Full Moon on 20 February 1943, so Moonrise a few nights later would have been impressive.
For summer during the wartime period there was BDST (British Double Summer Time), putting the UK two hours off UTC; Ringo Starr was also born during the same war time-shift, and apparently close to midnight (7 July 1940, 12:05 am BST), without
hours before the Moon near the latter pair in Leo reached Mercury. For McCartney, Mars and Pluto again conjoined the day after, coinciding with Jupiter making an aspect within an adjacent sign - and around 2:22 pm BDST, Neptune was at the Ascendant andThe regular DST did not apply when Ringo was born, but BST (one-hour offset) was being imposed long-term - DST did not return until May 1941, when BDST began, adding it in for a two-hour offset.
The only Beatle born during BDST was Paul McCartney on 18 June 1942 (at 2 pm). There were various aspects and conjunctions close to the respective births of Paul and Ringo. Starr was born the day before the Ceres-Neptune and Mars-Pluto conjuncts,
Lennon's birth is again an astronomical fact that merely exists for that day.Do people actually BELIEVE all that astro shite ?!!!
geoffWhat I wrote about was not astrology in the sense of believing being born with certain planets in certain signs would result in corresponding personality traits, which at some level a majority of western society probably accepts.
No, it was more of a judicial astrology analysis of the natal charts in their specific circumstantial contexts. The documentation discovered for Harrison's birth matches the Moonrise condition, as a factual matter. The Grand Trine observation about
But the coincidence of Paul and Ringo eventually even meeting with parallel-complementary aspects attending their respective births exceeds normal probability. It could perhaps make sense that Mars and Pluto conjoin with the correct frequency so thatCeres and Neptune would be together in one instance and in opposition during another, but only a higher power could be 'staging' the planetary positions around various births. Sometimes celestial bodies retrograde, seeming to appear going backwards from
McCartney had a friend named Ivan Vaughn with whom he went to fairgrounds around the time he had first learned to play the guitar, after the death of his mother who had purchased one for him - Paul's brother said it was like he lost his mother andgained the guitar. Vaughn was born on the exact same day as McCartney himself, so they were astrological twins.
History marked the day of Stuart Sutcliffe's birth, since it was the day Hitler paraded into Paris as its conqueror, but in tandem with that reality is the day had another Grand Trine, between the Moon, Node and Juno in the air signs. There werespecific aspects activated during recent events like the Haiti quake (14 August) occurring just as Pluto and Pallas were retrograding to the same relative position for a 60-degree angle; the Miami condominium collapse (24 June) arrived as Chiron and
So I suppose the value of building towards a consensus of those who think there is no correlation between the planetary influences and the daily lives we live is directly proportional to the amount of pertinent research the people whose opinions arevalues have actually done, with particular attention to the issue of probability, which your post demonstrates has gone completely over your head.
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:49:27 PM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
On 17/08/2021 10:37 am, Curtis Eagal wrote:
What, no vicious rejoinder? Could it be that you possibly had the mental capacity to add up your deficient thoughts and relented to continue your attack?
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