• Keith Haring Recalls Dinner "At Yoko's"

    From Norbert K@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 06:59:19 2022
    "It was like, incredible to go, you know, to meet Michael Jackson backstage with Andy [Warhol]. When he brought me to Yoko's apartment the first time, it was incredible. You can't believe that you're there. The ultimate one was a dinner at Yoko's. I
    brought Madonna and the artist Martin Burgoyne. Andy was already there. Bob Dylan was there. David Bowie was there And Iggy Pop. Just sort of in the kitchen. At first you are more in awe of things like that, but you adapt really quickly.

    -- Haring, quoted from a 1989 interview w/ David Sheff

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Sun Jun 19 12:02:19 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:53:03 PM UTC-4, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:59:21 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    "It was like, incredible to go, you know, to meet Michael Jackson backstage with Andy [Warhol]. When he brought me to Yoko's apartment the first time, it was incredible. You can't believe that you're there. The ultimate one was a dinner at Yoko's. I
    brought Madonna and the artist Martin Burgoyne. Andy was already there. Bob Dylan was there. David Bowie was there And Iggy Pop. Just sort of in the kitchen. At first you are more in awe of things like that, but you adapt really quickly.

    -- Haring, quoted from a 1989 interview w/ David Sheff
    Interesting that Bob Dylan was there.
    Not surprising, however, as I think Bob has attempted to insinuate himself into just about everything connected to the Beatles...especially John Lennon...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

    Lennon had some sort of falling out with Dylan at some point; maybe it was Dylan's attempt to warn Lennon that Yoko had "bad vibes."

    Fred Seaman has an interesting anecdote about Lennon's reaction to Dylan's song "You Gotta Serve Somebody." IIRC, Seaman said that Lennon sneered at the notion and asked: "What is Dylan now -- a waiter?" And of course Lennon penned "Serve Yerself."

    What was Dylan doing at Yoko's party? I suspect it's the Mintz connection that resulted in his being there. Both Ono and Dylan had Elliot Mintz as a spokesman.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sun Jun 19 11:52:59 2022
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:59:21 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    "It was like, incredible to go, you know, to meet Michael Jackson backstage with Andy [Warhol]. When he brought me to Yoko's apartment the first time, it was incredible. You can't believe that you're there. The ultimate one was a dinner at Yoko's. I
    brought Madonna and the artist Martin Burgoyne. Andy was already there. Bob Dylan was there. David Bowie was there And Iggy Pop. Just sort of in the kitchen. At first you are more in awe of things like that, but you adapt really quickly.

    -- Haring, quoted from a 1989 interview w/ David Sheff
    Interesting that Bob Dylan was there.
    Not surprising, however, as I think Bob has attempted to insinuate himself into just about everything connected to the Beatles...especially John Lennon...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sun Jun 19 12:48:23 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:02:22 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:53:03 PM UTC-4, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:59:21 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    "It was like, incredible to go, you know, to meet Michael Jackson backstage with Andy [Warhol]. When he brought me to Yoko's apartment the first time, it was incredible. You can't believe that you're there. The ultimate one was a dinner at Yoko's.
    I brought Madonna and the artist Martin Burgoyne. Andy was already there. Bob Dylan was there. David Bowie was there And Iggy Pop. Just sort of in the kitchen. At first you are more in awe of things like that, but you adapt really quickly.

    -- Haring, quoted from a 1989 interview w/ David Sheff
    Interesting that Bob Dylan was there.
    Not surprising, however, as I think Bob has attempted to insinuate himself into just about everything connected to the Beatles...especially John Lennon...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/
    Lennon had some sort of falling out with Dylan at some point; maybe it was Dylan's attempt to warn Lennon that Yoko had "bad vibes."

    Fred Seaman has an interesting anecdote about Lennon's reaction to Dylan's song "You Gotta Serve Somebody." IIRC, Seaman said that Lennon sneered at the notion and asked: "What is Dylan now -- a waiter?" And of course Lennon penned "Serve Yerself."

    What was Dylan doing at Yoko's party? I suspect it's the Mintz connection that resulted in his being there. Both Ono and Dylan had Elliot Mintz as a spokesman.
    I did not know that there was a Dylan connection to Yoko with Elliot Mintz.
    I think Lennon and Dylan kind of went to war over Gotta Serve Somebody. Lennon probably realized that Dylan could be playing everyone and was, as Keith Richards called him, a 'prophet of profit'. However, I think that tiff, if there was one, was just
    the tip of the iceberg. I think Dylan intended to insinuate himself as much as possible into the lives of the Beatles...especially John. I think Dylan was an invisible man in their breakup. And I think Dylan would have encouraged John in regards to Yoko.
    ..
    just my 2 cents...

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Mon Jun 20 04:18:54 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:48:26 PM UTC-4, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:02:22 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:53:03 PM UTC-4, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:59:21 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    "It was like, incredible to go, you know, to meet Michael Jackson backstage with Andy [Warhol]. When he brought me to Yoko's apartment the first time, it was incredible. You can't believe that you're there. The ultimate one was a dinner at Yoko's.
    I brought Madonna and the artist Martin Burgoyne. Andy was already there. Bob Dylan was there. David Bowie was there And Iggy Pop. Just sort of in the kitchen. At first you are more in awe of things like that, but you adapt really quickly.

    -- Haring, quoted from a 1989 interview w/ David Sheff
    Interesting that Bob Dylan was there.
    Not surprising, however, as I think Bob has attempted to insinuate himself into just about everything connected to the Beatles...especially John Lennon...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/
    Lennon had some sort of falling out with Dylan at some point; maybe it was Dylan's attempt to warn Lennon that Yoko had "bad vibes."

    Fred Seaman has an interesting anecdote about Lennon's reaction to Dylan's song "You Gotta Serve Somebody." IIRC, Seaman said that Lennon sneered at the notion and asked: "What is Dylan now -- a waiter?" And of course Lennon penned "Serve Yerself."

    What was Dylan doing at Yoko's party? I suspect it's the Mintz connection that resulted in his being there. Both Ono and Dylan had Elliot Mintz as a spokesman.
    I did not know that there was a Dylan connection to Yoko with Elliot Mintz. I think Lennon and Dylan kind of went to war over Gotta Serve Somebody. Lennon probably realized that Dylan could be playing everyone and was, as Keith Richards called him, a 'prophet of profit'. However, I think that tiff, if there was one, was just
    the tip of the iceberg. I think Dylan intended to insinuate himself as much as possible into the lives of the Beatles...especially John. I think Dylan was an invisible man in their breakup. And I think Dylan would have encouraged John in regards to Yoko..
    .
    just my 2 cents...

    My sense is that Dylan's Christian phase was sincere but delusional. It persisted through several years and at least three albums. I remember hearing about Dylan preaching to his audiences and asking them how many of them had been born again -- and
    cringing.

    Was there a specific event that led to Lennon's turning against Dylan? He sung, "I don't believe in Zimmerman" in the song "God." Goldman suggests that it was Lennon's associates' attitudes towards Dylan that changed his mind. He had been hanging out
    with AJ Weberman and David Peel at that time. Both of these characters had grown hostile to Dylan.

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Mon Jun 20 06:16:20 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:48:26 PM UTC-4, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:02:22 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:53:03 PM UTC-4, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:59:21 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
    "It was like, incredible to go, you know, to meet Michael Jackson backstage with Andy [Warhol]. When he brought me to Yoko's apartment the first time, it was incredible. You can't believe that you're there. The ultimate one was a dinner at Yoko's.
    I brought Madonna and the artist Martin Burgoyne. Andy was already there. Bob Dylan was there. David Bowie was there And Iggy Pop. Just sort of in the kitchen. At first you are more in awe of things like that, but you adapt really quickly.

    -- Haring, quoted from a 1989 interview w/ David Sheff
    Interesting that Bob Dylan was there.
    Not surprising, however, as I think Bob has attempted to insinuate himself into just about everything connected to the Beatles...especially John Lennon...
    https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/
    Lennon had some sort of falling out with Dylan at some point; maybe it was Dylan's attempt to warn Lennon that Yoko had "bad vibes."

    Fred Seaman has an interesting anecdote about Lennon's reaction to Dylan's song "You Gotta Serve Somebody." IIRC, Seaman said that Lennon sneered at the notion and asked: "What is Dylan now -- a waiter?" And of course Lennon penned "Serve Yerself."

    What was Dylan doing at Yoko's party? I suspect it's the Mintz connection that resulted in his being there. Both Ono and Dylan had Elliot Mintz as a spokesman.
    I did not know that there was a Dylan connection to Yoko with Elliot Mintz. I think Lennon and Dylan kind of went to war over Gotta Serve Somebody. Lennon probably realized that Dylan could be playing everyone and was, as Keith Richards called him, a 'prophet of profit'. However, I think that tiff, if there was one, was just
    the tip of the iceberg. I think Dylan intended to insinuate himself as much as possible into the lives of the Beatles...especially John. I think Dylan was an invisible man in their breakup. And I think Dylan would have encouraged John in regards to Yoko..
    .
    just my 2 cents...

    DA Pennebaker created a short movie of Lennon & Dylan being driven around in a Taxi; it's on Youtube as "Dylan and Lennon Share a Taxi Ride" or somesuch. If Pennebaker had hoped to capture a great meeting of the minds, he must have been disappointed.
    Lennon looks unhappy, and Dylan babbles away incoherently in a stoner's drawl. At one point Dylan pitches forward as if to vomit. Later, he talks about how he might throw up on the camera; he might have been serious.

    If I were Lennon, I'd have told the cab driver to pull over & escaped.

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