On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

https://mjandboys.wordpress.com

Scroll down a bit, there's a lengthy section about MJ and Sean. Elliot Mintz, who delivered Sean to MJ (shades of Ghislaine Maxwell) is in some of the pics.

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On Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, Ray wrote:

On Jul 1, 1:53 pm, P-Dub <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 7/1/2010 9:08 AM, Ray wrote:

On Jun 30, 5:38 pm, Fattuchus<fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Here's the thing for me, John was a genuine innovator who really tried
to push the envelope of popular music, MJ for all his success mostly
just took what other people had done and dumbed it down for mass consumption. I have looked long and hard for an orignal idea in his
work and I have yet to find it.

I am a huge fan of the Beatles and John Lennon. But at the same time, I have to chime in for Michael Jackson. He may have been a wacko, and possibly a child molester. But nobody can deny that he was one amazing songwriter and performer. The Thriller album (and for that matter -
pretty much all he had done) was incredibly creative, and contained infections melodies, rhythms, studio innovations, and excitement. His
stuff was always highly creative, and 'pushing the envelope'.

I do not agree that he 'took what other people had done and dumbed it down'. Nothing could be further from the truth.

IMO, Michael Jackson and John Lennon were on equal footing! They were
both geniuses, both original, and both one-of-a-kind. And they were both incredibly successful. And they both deserved the love and praise of the masses.

P-Dub: I'm Bad

I think Thriller provides a perfect example. Anyone who saw the Alice
Cooper "Welcome to My Nightmare" tour could tell you just how much of thriller was 'borrowed' right down to the dancing and having vincent
price do a voiceover.

I agree that Jackson ripped off other artists. BTW, didn't he use ghostwriters, too?

There is the whole Lennon and Chuck Berry thing, but in Lennon's case it was more of drawing inspiration. If John hadn't used the "ole flat-top" line, nobody would know about "Come Together"'s inspiration.

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On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

It would never have occurred to me to compare Lennon and Jackson.

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On 13/08/2021 1:54 AM, curtis...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

It would never have occurred to me to compare Lennon and Jackson.

+1

geoff

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On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Would John Lennon have trusted Jacko alone with Sean?

I doubt it.

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On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

There's a collection of essays called "Read the Beatles." It includes some important historical articles.

It's also got an essay by Toure' (whomever that is) which compares Beatlemania with "Michaelmania" -- the supposed mania over Michael Jackson. I didn't find it convincing; it's an extended false analogy. The Beatles were musicians and songwriters.
Michael Jackson was...well, I'm not sure what he was.

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On Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, Ray wrote:

On Jul 1, 1:53 pm, P-Dub <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 7/1/2010 9:08 AM, Ray wrote:

On Jun 30, 5:38 pm, Fattuchus<fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Here's the thing for me, John was a genuine innovator who really tried
to push the envelope of popular music, MJ for all his success mostly
just took what other people had done and dumbed it down for mass consumption. I have looked long and hard for an orignal idea in his
work and I have yet to find it.

I am a huge fan of the Beatles and John Lennon. But at the same time, I have to chime in for Michael Jackson. He may have been a wacko, and possibly a child molester. But nobody can deny that he was one amazing songwriter and performer. The Thriller album (and for that matter -
pretty much all he had done) was incredibly creative, and contained infections melodies, rhythms, studio innovations, and excitement. His
stuff was always highly creative, and 'pushing the envelope'.

I do not agree that he 'took what other people had done and dumbed it down'. Nothing could be further from the truth.

IMO, Michael Jackson and John Lennon were on equal footing! They were
both geniuses, both original, and both one-of-a-kind. And they were both incredibly successful. And they both deserved the love and praise of the masses.

P-Dub: I'm Bad

I think Thriller provides a perfect example. Anyone who saw the Alice
Cooper "Welcome to My Nightmare" tour could tell you just how much of thriller was 'borrowed' right down to the dancing and having vincent
price do a voiceover.

I know I'm replying to an old post; it doesn't mean the topic is any less interesting.

Anyway, yes, Alice Cooper used a Vincent Price voiceover on that tour. He also did a video for a song called "Black Widow" in which Price made an appearance. It was a combination of music and camp horror; it must have seemed far out at the time.

Michael Jackson ripped off Alice Cooper's idea, probably assuming his audience was too young to be aware of the AC/Vincent Price video.

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On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 7:27:20 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:

On Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, Ray wrote:

On Jul 1, 1:53 pm, P-Dub <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 7/1/2010 9:08 AM, Ray wrote:

On Jun 30, 5:38 pm, Fattuchus<fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Here's the thing for me, John was a genuine innovator who really tried to push the envelope of popular music, MJ for all his success mostly just took what other people had done and dumbed it down for mass consumption. I have looked long and hard for an orignal idea in his work and I have yet to find it.

I am a huge fan of the Beatles and John Lennon. But at the same time, I have to chime in for Michael Jackson. He may have been a wacko, and possibly a child molester. But nobody can deny that he was one amazing songwriter and performer. The Thriller album (and for that matter - pretty much all he had done) was incredibly creative, and contained infections melodies, rhythms, studio innovations, and excitement. His stuff was always highly creative, and 'pushing the envelope'.

I do not agree that he 'took what other people had done and dumbed it down'. Nothing could be further from the truth.

IMO, Michael Jackson and John Lennon were on equal footing! They were both geniuses, both original, and both one-of-a-kind. And they were both incredibly successful. And they both deserved the love and praise of the masses.

P-Dub: I'm Bad

I think Thriller provides a perfect example. Anyone who saw the Alice Cooper "Welcome to My Nightmare" tour could tell you just how much of thriller was 'borrowed' right down to the dancing and having vincent
price do a voiceover.

I know I'm replying to an old post; it doesn't mean the topic is any less interesting.

Anyway, yes, Alice Cooper used a Vincent Price voiceover on that tour. He also did a video for a song called "Black Widow" in which Price made an appearance. It was a combination of music and camp horror; it must have seemed far out at the time.

Michael Jackson ripped off Alice Cooper's idea, probably assuming his audience was too young to be aware of the AC/Vincent Price vide

Jacko is said to have ripped off from Ricj
K James, though I forget which James song.

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On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Darryl Hall (of Hall & Oates) says that during the "We Are the World" sessions, Jackson said to him: "I hope you don't mind that I stole 'No Can Do.'"

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On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 6:58:11 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Darryl Hall (of Hall & Oates) says that during the "We Are the World" sessions, Jackson said to him: "I hope you don't mind that I stole 'No Can Do.'"

That's hilarious. I believe it.

I think everybody stole 'No Can Do' for a while there. Did H&O invent that? Talk about having an impact with lyrics....

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On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 6:58:11 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:

On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Darryl Hall (of Hall & Oates) says that during the "We Are the World" sessions, Jackson said to him: "I hope you don't mind that I stole 'No Can Do.'"

That's hilarious. I believe it.

I think everybody stole 'No Can Do' for a while there. Did H&O invent that? Talk about having an impact with lyrics....

I was compelled to watch a documentary on the making of the "We Are the World" song once for a music class, and I remember that Darryl Hall had a lot of trouble getting his part down. In fairness, that song is very far afield from Hall & Oates' music.

My instructor thought he was making the point that Quincy Jones was a genius. The only problem for me is that WAtW is nauseating. And repeating endlessly that "We are the children" with Michael Jackson in the room? Not a good idea.

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On Friday, July 2, 2010 at 1:18:23 PM UTC-4, Mistah Charlie wrote:

On Jun 30, 5:38 pm, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

I feel if John was alibe an well, he'd be quite pleased and thrilled
about Michael and Sean spendrin their happy time's and childhood's togetha...Like, Sean was just a lil boy back then...an aint that what
Michael WANTED her Godsakes??? So whats wrong wid dat??
Now the thing is, Michael also had a pet monkey....named
Bubbles....Dont know why he callim that...but the fack is, it was a
monkey and also Michaels "friend'....so mebbe Bubbles played widdem to.....Now John would I feel be O.K. wid dat...just so long as no one
said Sean CAME from Bubbles....Cuz like, John knows its a lie....Cuz
like, he was their....when Sean came from Yoke....So hes knows it aint true...
Say fokes....If as John says we came from fish (not Bubbles) and Sean
came from Yoke...does that make Yoke a fish?? I mean, she IS Chinese,
and they do love Fish....cop....sturgim.....Pike....Goalfish...you
name it, they eat it.
Nuff ssid

Bubbles was a chimpanzee, not a monkey. Whatever happened to that unfortunate creature, I wonder?

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On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Michael Jackson couldn't play an instrument.

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On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

I don't see why anyone would dream of comparing the two. Lennon was murdered by a deranged former fan. Jackson was...actually I'm not so clear on the circumstances of his death. His doctor was irresponsible, it seems. But it was not a violent death.

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On Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 10:43:12 AM UTC-4, Fattuchus wrote:

On Jul 1, 9:08 am, Ray <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jun 30, 5:38 pm, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3

Here's the thing for me, John was a genuine innovator who really tried
to push the envelope of popular music, MJ for all his success mostly
just took what other people had done and dumbed it down for mass consumption. I have looked long and hard for an orignal idea in his
work and I have yet to find it.

The initial premise of the blog--comparing two dead people to see who
we should miss more--troubled me. But I do agree with your observation
that Lennon was a genuine innovator and rebel whereas Michael was more
of a crowd pleaser, although I suspect Michael was an odd-ball, just
in a more secretive way.

Jackson was an "oddball"? That's one way to put it. He was a predator of children.

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