• Re: Beatles Reunion in 1981

    From Edward Jackson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 12 23:07:08 2022
    On Sunday, December 18, 2005 at 1:40:27 PM UTC-8, donz5 wrote:
    Godzilla1 wrote:
    C'mon. The Beatles would have gotten together again at some point if
    John lived. 100% certain.
    More like 100% conjecture. Impossible to prove or disprove.


    George didn't want to tour but would $500 tickets change his mind

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Godzilla on Tue Apr 19 19:00:46 2022
    On Sunday, December 18, 2005 at 1:39:15 PM UTC-8, Godzilla wrote:
    That's actually bullshit. Lennon wavered. In '77, he
    clearly stated that a reunion was possible. Search for the quote.
    Lennon wasn't as "anti-Beatles" as he tried to make himself
    sound at times. As for having to answer the question "When are you
    going to get back together" everywhere he went, of course he would
    get flip and give a clever comeback, as above. _______________________________________________________________
    Just watch Imagine:John Lennon, Elliot Mintz asks him the question on a beach, and Lennon seems like he wants it to happen at some point in the future. Also in the same movie, some dude asks him the question and
    Lennon says "tomorrow". And in the 1980 Playboy interview, he seems
    angry when asked about a Beatles reunion. He always gave different
    answers to the question.

    I included an excerpt of John Lennon's 1980 Playboy interview in the epilogue for my commentary on their debut album in my book "The Comedy Of Eros" (published 21 December 2009) - it is quite a distortion to present his attitude as angry, which is more
    like the reaction of a fan to being denied what they want. The actual emotion was more like frustration, considering the futility of participating in a restart of the Beatle Franchise for a fanbase that was oblivious to the point of their collective
    efforts, likely to take whatever was done as some macho ego trip, when it would actually have to again be about something bigger than themselves (a stretch for any fan to conceive).

    "Why should The Beatles give more?
    Didn't they give everything on God's Earth for ten years?
    Didn't they give THEMSELVES?
    You're like the typical sort of love-hate fan who says, 'Thank you for everything you did for us in the 'Sixties --
    Would you give me another shot?
    Just one more miracle?'...

    If they didn't understand The Beatles and The 'Sixties THEN, what the {expletive} could we do for them NOW?
    Do we have to divide the fish and the loaves for the multitudes AGAIN?
    Do we have to get Crucified again?
    Do we have to do the walking on water AGAIN because a whole pile of dummies didn't see it the first time, or didn't BELIEVE it WHEN they saw it?
    You know, that's what they're asking:

    'Get off The Cross.
    I didn't understand the FIRST bit yet.
    Can you do that AGAIN?'

    NO WAY.
    You can never go 'Home' -
    It doesn't exist."

    As I understand it, the planning of a reunion established The Beatles as an ongoing enterprise so that litigation could be pursued against the Beatlemania stage production.

    John Lennon was quoted as saying he was making his guitar talk, informed Tom Snyder "All our music is subliminal," and mused about how what flowed from his intellect in such a form would be very difficult for someone else to consciously unravel. Having
    focused their entire collective career on The Life of Jesus Christ, diluting it with a muddled rehash would have destroyed what was already too subtle for the average listener to appreciate.

    Their music was taken as straightforward by the public, but the instrumental arrangements, combined with lyrical vocal confirming tricks to the ear, created a dreamlike right-brain experience. Where fans now think 'drum fill,' they should notice those
    percussive moments consist of technically-articulated encapsulated comments, working in tandem with other material as in guitar or piano solos. The conscious mind rejects ascribing verbal meaning to non-vocal tonal information, while the subconscious
    receives a jolt of profound communication built into the otherwise inexplicably emotive musical hooks. The initial reaction of hysterical mania, enthusiastically shouting down whatever they would play live, could have been a manifestation induced by
    profound perplexity. Reporters would marvel at how the screaming was so loud that not only could that half-hour concert scarcely be heard, but it would be another half-hour before anyone's hearing returned to normal.

    Much of John Lennon's songwriting even before the end of touring reflected domestic boredom, as in "Nowhere Man" (further example in "Good Morning Good Morning"). Pressing the hidden religion issue in the Maureen Cleave interview tragically backfired,
    with the British audience crying 'holier than thou,' and the Americans demanding an apology for a misperception of blasphemy. If people had gotten the real message, that "Help!" into "Rubber Soul" was regressing from the Fourteen Stations of The Cross
    into the Agony in the Garden of Gethsemane, perhaps there could have been no end to touring - but since that illumination of awareness did not occur that early in the overall history, John felt no obligation to incessantly pander to a devoted yet
    unenlightened fanbase.

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  • From curtissdubois@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Godzilla on Wed Apr 20 08:59:10 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 11:27:59 PM UTC-5, Godzilla wrote:
    I know this has been talked about here, but I dont remember much what
    was said. Did McCartney ever confirm or deny this claim by Jack
    Douglas? _____________________________________________________________________________ Beatles 'were to come together again'
    By James Bone in New York and Adam Sherwin
    IT WOULD have been the sensational return of the Fab Four. But the
    bullet that killed John Lennon 25 years ago today destroyed plans for a Beatles reunion, according to new claims.
    Lennon was making secret plans to record an album with the other former Beatles when he was killed, Jack Douglas, the producer who was working
    with him until minutes before his death, told The Times.
    He said in an interview in New York: "He and Paul planned to play on
    a Ringo album and that's how they were planning to do it, and George
    had not come aboard yet."
    The sticking point, however, was with Harrison. "George was already
    in a lot of hot water with John because of George releasing his
    autobiography and not really mentioning much of John in it," Mr
    Douglas said. "But I think they assumed that George would come along
    as soon as the thing got going."
    Mr Douglas, who won a Grammy award in 1982 for producing Lennon's
    Double Fantasy album, said that Lennon had already begun sending him
    material "earmarked verbally" on tape for the planned Ringo album.
    But he said that Yoko Ono was unhappy about the proposed reunion.
    "Yoko discouraged Paul coming around," Mr Douglas said. "There
    was a writing session somewhere in the Dakota [the apartment block
    where Lennon and Ono lived] and there was one cancelled which John did
    not know about, cancelled by a third party," he said. "He was
    waiting for Paul to show up. He was told that Paul did not show. Paul
    was told that John was too busy."
    The revelations were given credence by a new claim that a £6 million
    record contract, which McCartney signed with CBS in 1978, contained a
    clause that allowed him to record with the Beatles at any time.
    But Beatles experts said they were unaware of any Lennon reunion plans.
    Ray Connolly, author of The Beatles Complete, said: "John liked to
    help Ringo and this could have been a way he saw to get the guys back together in the studio.
    "But George and Yoko had rows and she would probably have tried to
    stop a reunion."
    Eliot Mintz, Ono's longtime spokesman, confirmed last night that
    Lennon and Ono had planned to go on a limited tour with Double Fantasy,
    but added that he knew knothing about the ex-Beatles playing together
    again.
    Mr Douglas, now 60, said that Lennon spent his final day finishing off
    a track featuring Yoko called Walking on Thin Ice. After weeks of work,
    they finally finished the mix at the Hit Factory studio and agreed to
    meet at 9am the next day to make a master tape.
    "We were all thrilled with it. His [Lennon's] feeling was that this
    was the one that was going to take Yoko over the top and make her
    critically acclaimed, and cut him loose so that he could do his things
    with 'the boys' without Yoko tagging along. She could do her own
    thing," Mr Douglas claimed.


    They needed each other at this point. Lennon needed a real partner, and McCartney wouldn't have had to do those dubious records with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson!

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Godzilla on Thu Apr 21 05:16:56 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 11:27:59 PM UTC-5, Godzilla wrote:
    I know this has been talked about here, but I dont remember much what
    was said. Did McCartney ever confirm or deny this claim by Jack
    Douglas? _____________________________________________________________________________ Beatles 'were to come together again'
    By James Bone in New York and Adam Sherwin
    IT WOULD have been the sensational return of the Fab Four. But the
    bullet that killed John Lennon 25 years ago today destroyed plans for a Beatles reunion, according to new claims.
    Lennon was making secret plans to record an album with the other former Beatles when he was killed, Jack Douglas, the producer who was working
    with him until minutes before his death, told The Times.
    He said in an interview in New York: "He and Paul planned to play on
    a Ringo album and that's how they were planning to do it, and George
    had not come aboard yet."
    The sticking point, however, was with Harrison. "George was already
    in a lot of hot water with John because of George releasing his
    autobiography and not really mentioning much of John in it," Mr
    Douglas said. "But I think they assumed that George would come along
    as soon as the thing got going."
    Mr Douglas, who won a Grammy award in 1982 for producing Lennon's
    Double Fantasy album, said that Lennon had already begun sending him
    material "earmarked verbally" on tape for the planned Ringo album.
    But he said that Yoko Ono was unhappy about the proposed reunion.
    "Yoko discouraged Paul coming around," Mr Douglas said. "There
    was a writing session somewhere in the Dakota [the apartment block
    where Lennon and Ono lived] and there was one cancelled which John did
    not know about, cancelled by a third party," he said. "He was
    waiting for Paul to show up. He was told that Paul did not show. Paul
    was told that John was too busy."
    The revelations were given credence by a new claim that a £6 million
    record contract, which McCartney signed with CBS in 1978, contained a
    clause that allowed him to record with the Beatles at any time.
    But Beatles experts said they were unaware of any Lennon reunion plans.
    Ray Connolly, author of The Beatles Complete, said: "John liked to
    help Ringo and this could have been a way he saw to get the guys back together in the studio.
    "But George and Yoko had rows and she would probably have tried to
    stop a reunion."
    Eliot Mintz, Ono's longtime spokesman, confirmed last night that
    Lennon and Ono had planned to go on a limited tour with Double Fantasy,
    but added that he knew knothing about the ex-Beatles playing together
    again.
    Mr Douglas, now 60, said that Lennon spent his final day finishing off
    a track featuring Yoko called Walking on Thin Ice. After weeks of work,
    they finally finished the mix at the Hit Factory studio and agreed to
    meet at 9am the next day to make a master tape.
    "We were all thrilled with it. His [Lennon's] feeling was that this
    was the one that was going to take Yoko over the top and make her
    critically acclaimed, and cut him loose so that he could do his things
    with 'the boys' without Yoko tagging along. She could do her own
    thing," Mr Douglas claimed.

    The question is: Would Lennon have had the strength to defy Yoko on this? A Beatles or Lennon-McCartney reunion is the last thing she would have wanted.

    Remember, John and May were going to visit McCartney in New Orleans in 1974 before Yoko intervened.

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