• Re: John Discusses Spector's Work on LiB

    From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sat Mar 19 05:06:50 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 7:56:18 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    "He [Spector] was given the shittiest load of badly-recorded shit -- and with a lousy feeling to it -- ever. And he made something out of it. When I heard it, I didn't puke."

    What do people think about these claims of John's?

    I think Lennon was delusional at the time he said these things and that Spector was another of the nuts and grifters (a la "Magic" Alex Mardas, Yoko Ono, and Allen Klein) he was susceptible to through frying his brain on acid.

    Glyn Johns later confronted Lennon about these statements; May Pang witnessed it. Lennon said something like: "Forget about it, Glyn. I was stoned and letting off steam."

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 04:56:16 2022
    "He [Spector] was given the shittiest load of badly-recorded shit -- and with a lousy feeling to it -- ever. And he made something out of it. When I heard it, I didn't puke."

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sat Mar 19 15:51:12 2022
    In article <3c4f1718-bdcd-4288-a145-ed24fd7222b8n@googlegroups.com>,
    Norbert K <norbertkosky69@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 7:56:18 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    "He [Spector] was given the shittiest load of badly-recorded shit -- and with a lousy feeling to it -- ever. And he made something out of it. When I heard it, I didn't puke."

    Sounds like a backhanded compliment to me. <shrug>

    What do people think about these claims of John's?

    I think Lennon was delusional at the time he said these things and that Spector was another of the nuts and grifters (a la "Magic" Alex Mardas, Yoko Ono, and Allen Klein) he was susceptible to through frying his brain on acid.


    Glyn Johns later confronted Lennon about these statements; May Pang
    witnessed it. Lennon said something like: "Forget about it, Glyn. I was stoned and letting off steam."

    Lennon had the closest relationship with Spector than any of the other
    three so Spector wouldn't have been involved if Lennon didn't want him
    or at least objected.

    I think he was the best option at the time considering Martin was
    disgusted with them at that point and all four didn't have the energy or interest to work on the tapes themselves (there's no way three of them
    would have allowed one of the others to self-produce it).

    Glyn Johns could have been a possibility but by 1969 he had only
    produced albums for Steve Miller and minor acts like Family and Johnny Halliday, though he had built quite a resume as an engineer/mixer for
    The Rolling Stones and Small Faces. Of course he would go on later in
    the '70s to produce excellent material for The Who, The Eagles and Eric Clapton.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 20 23:48:38 2022
    On 20/03/2022 9:51 am, super70s wrote:


    Lennon had the closest relationship with Spector than any of the other
    three so Spector wouldn't have been involved if Lennon didn't want him
    or at least objected.

    Kind of prophetic, given Spector's thing about guns ;- (

    geoff

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to geoff on Sun Mar 20 05:04:31 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:48:47 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
    On 20/03/2022 9:51 am, super70s wrote:


    Lennon had the closest relationship with Spector than any of the other three so Spector wouldn't have been involved if Lennon didn't want him
    or at least objected.

    Kind of prophetic, given Spector's thing about guns ;- (

    geoff


    Spector fired a gunshot into the studio wall while working with Lennon. Lennon said, "Phil, if you're going to kill me, kill me. But don't f*ck with my ears. I need them." He was in complete denial as to Spector's dangerousness and assumed
    Spector had shot a blank. Mal Evans later dislodged the slug from the wall.

    May Pang was in no such denial re: Spector. She said in an interview that Spector's murder of Lana Clarkson was not a surprise and that Spector had been a "ticking time-bomb."

    Even before work had begun on the Rock'N'Roll album, Spector gave Lennon ample indication of his paranoia, instability, and obsession with "total control" over the project. Why on earth did Lennon agree to such terms? I believe it's because he was
    used to dealing with such insanity through Yoko.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Mon Mar 21 11:12:32 2022
    On 21/03/2022 1:04 am, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:48:47 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
    On 20/03/2022 9:51 am, super70s wrote:


    Lennon had the closest relationship with Spector than any of the other
    three so Spector wouldn't have been involved if Lennon didn't want him
    or at least objected.

    Kind of prophetic, given Spector's thing about guns ;- (

    geoff


    Spector fired a gunshot into the studio wall while working with Lennon. Lennon said, "Phil, if you're going to kill me, kill me. But don't f*ck with my ears. I need them." He was in complete denial as to Spector's dangerousness and assumed
    Spector had shot a blank. Mal Evans later dislodged the slug from the wall.

    May Pang was in no such denial re: Spector. She said in an interview that Spector's murder of Lana Clarkson was not a surprise and that Spector had been a "ticking time-bomb."

    Even before work had begun on the Rock'N'Roll album, Spector gave Lennon ample indication of his paranoia, instability, and obsession with "total control" over the project. Why on earth did Lennon agree to such terms? I believe it's because he
    was used to dealing with such insanity through Yoko.





    Or that he was usually out of his tree, and decision-making
    incapacitated with whatever he was on at the time.

    geoff

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  • From RJKellog@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Mon Mar 21 08:00:29 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 7:56:18 AM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    "He [Spector] was given the shittiest load of badly-recorded shit -- and with a lousy feeling to it -- ever. And he made something out of it. When I heard it, I didn't puke."

    OK, John liked what Spector did, Paul didn't. What about the other two?

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 21 09:49:14 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:12:44 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
    On 21/03/2022 1:04 am, Norbert K wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:48:47 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
    On 20/03/2022 9:51 am, super70s wrote:


    Lennon had the closest relationship with Spector than any of the other >>> three so Spector wouldn't have been involved if Lennon didn't want him >>> or at least objected.

    Kind of prophetic, given Spector's thing about guns ;- (

    geoff


    Spector fired a gunshot into the studio wall while working with Lennon. Lennon said, "Phil, if you're going to kill me, kill me. But don't f*ck with my ears. I need them." He was in complete denial as to Spector's dangerousness and assumed Spector
    had shot a blank. Mal Evans later dislodged the slug from the wall.

    May Pang was in no such denial re: Spector. She said in an interview that Spector's murder of Lana Clarkson was not a surprise and that Spector had been a "ticking time-bomb."

    Even before work had begun on the Rock'N'Roll album, Spector gave Lennon ample indication of his paranoia, instability, and obsession with "total control" over the project. Why on earth did Lennon agree to such terms? I believe it's because he was
    used to dealing with such insanity through Yoko.




    Or that he was usually out of his tree, and decision-making
    incapacitated with whatever he was on at the time.

    geoff

    Good point. I think that, contrary to Lennon's own propaganda, the so-called "Lost Weekend" was the happiest and most productive part of Lennon's post-Beatles (or even post "eating acid like candy" phase) existence. He was off heroin and methodone and
    used cocaine and acid occasionally. However, even then he managed to have a the Troubadour Incidents and the occasional rampage. Lennon admitted more than once that "I always needed a drug to survive."

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