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    From Rich D@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 24 17:34:16 2021
    I read something, can't recall where, that the group
    was fascinated by Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds". And
    I've seen some similar references, that other Brit bands
    were also so influenced, at that time.

    I don't hear it, whether Beatles or anybody else. The
    album was a typical Beach Boys product, primarily vocal
    harmonies, including a few hits.

    Anyone care to elaborate on this?

    --
    Rich

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  • From Laughing Jaw@21:1/5 to Rich D on Sat Jul 24 18:38:30 2021
    On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-4, Rich D wrote:


    Anyone care to elaborate on this?


    Standard stuff in The Beatles lexicon. Pet Sounds did not do well in the US but it was big in England. McCartney repeats the narrative of the influence in the first episode of McCartney 3,2,1.

    I have never understood the appeal of Pet Sounds. I like some of the songs, but otherwise just don’t get it. Today the LP is considered one of the best albums ever recorded, but that is in retrospect, and I suspect it is because of the influence it had
    on the Beatles.

    It is a good example of the difference in musical taste of the British public vs the US public. Another example is Pink Floyd’s “Piper’s at the Gates of Dawn”. That album was popular in Britain but went nowhere in the US. But, of course, once
    Floyd achieved renown with their later stuff there was a reevaluation of the earlier stuff and Piper’s has a following and is held in greater esteem.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Rich D on Sun Jul 25 16:59:53 2021
    On 25/07/2021 12:34 pm, Rich D wrote:
    I read something, can't recall where, that the group
    was fascinated by Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds". And
    I've seen some similar references, that other Brit bands
    were also so influenced, at that time.

    I don't hear it, whether Beatles or anybody else. The
    album was a typical Beach Boys product, primarily vocal
    harmonies, including a few hits.

    Anyone care to elaborate on this?

    --
    Rich


    Pet Sounds leaves me cold.

    geoff

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Rich D on Sun Jul 25 03:31:33 2021
    On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-4, Rich D wrote:
    I read something, can't recall where, that the group
    was fascinated by Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds". And
    I've seen some similar references, that other Brit bands
    were also so influenced, at that time.

    I don't hear it, whether Beatles or anybody else. The
    album was a typical Beach Boys product, primarily vocal
    harmonies, including a few hits.

    Anyone care to elaborate on this?

    --
    Rich

    McCartney has been expressing his admiration of Pet Sounds for years. His stories have evolved, and some versions of his "Pet Sounds inspired Sgt. Pepper" tale strike me as far-fetched. I don't detect any Beach Boys influence on Pepper.

    Pete Townshend wrote a song called "Goin' Fishin'" around the same time which he claimed had some Beach Boys influence. It's a great little song (with fine drumming by Pete) but I'm not sure about the supposed BB influence.

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Rich D on Sun Jul 25 10:55:42 2021
    On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-4, Rich D wrote:
    I read something, can't recall where, that the group
    was fascinated by Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds". And
    I've seen some similar references, that other Brit bands
    were also so influenced, at that time.

    I don't hear it, whether Beatles or anybody else. The
    album was a typical Beach Boys product, primarily vocal
    harmonies, including a few hits.

    Anyone care to elaborate on this?

    --
    Rich

    BTW, while McCartney has cited the Beach Boys' "God Only Knows" as his favorite song of all time, Brian Wilson claimed that song was inspired by the Beatles' Revolver. The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson
    made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.

    It looks as if there's some mutual back-patting and revisionist history going on between McCartney & Wilson.

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  • From Dennis Rowan@21:1/5 to Laughing Jaw on Sun Jul 25 17:15:01 2021
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 7:24:43 PM UTC-4, Laughing Jaw wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 1:55:43 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.


    I think McCartney was influenced by “God Only Knows” in his writing and singing of “Here, There and Everywhere”.
    And I think " Wonderful" on the "Smile" album was Brian's attempt to match "She's Leaving Home"

    He fell short.

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  • From Laughing Jaw@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Sun Jul 25 16:24:41 2021
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 1:55:43 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.


    I think McCartney was influenced by “God Only Knows” in his writing and singing of “Here, There and Everywhere”.

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  • From cuppajoe2go@21:1/5 to dennis...@gmail.com on Sun Jul 25 19:02:39 2021
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 5:15:03 PM UTC-7, dennis...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 7:24:43 PM UTC-4, Laughing Jaw wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 1:55:43 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.


    I think McCartney was influenced by “God Only Knows” in his writing and singing of “Here, There and Everywhere”.
    And I think " Wonderful" on the "Smile" album was Brian's attempt to match "She's Leaving Home"

    He fell short.
    Inspiration can manifest in many forms.

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  • From Rich D@21:1/5 to dennis...@gmail.com on Mon Jul 26 17:47:48 2021
    On July 25, 2021, dennis...@gmail.com wrote:
    And I think " Wonderful" on the "Smile" album was Brian's attempt to match "She's Leaving Home"
    He fell short.

    Never heard this song before, but I Youtubed it today.
    What a snoozer!

    And a wayyyyyy stretch to compare those songs -

    --
    Rich

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Tue Jul 27 01:16:56 2021
    In article <b98b9959-a2ac-4d63-8aec-d4889ee3889fn@googlegroups.com>,
    Norbert K <norbertkosky69@gmail.com> wrote:

    McCartney has been expressing his admiration of Pet Sounds for years. His stories have evolved, and some versions of his "Pet Sounds inspired Sgt. Pepper" tale strike me as far-fetched. I don't detect any Beach Boys influence on Pepper.

    Well there are some pet sounds in the intro of "Good Morning, Good
    Morning."

    Or maybe it's about the use of orchestral instruments not normally heard
    in pop songs like the harp in the intro of "She's Leaving Home." Wilson conducted a full orchestra for Pet Sounds as I remember (with some
    bizarre anecdotes).

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  • From RJKellog@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to dennis...@gmail.com on Thu Jul 29 11:04:54 2021
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, dennis...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 7:24:43 PM UTC-4, Laughing Jaw wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 1:55:43 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.


    I think McCartney was influenced by “God Only Knows” in his writing and singing of “Here, There and Everywhere”.
    And I think " Wonderful" on the "Smile" album was Brian's attempt to match "She's Leaving Home"

    He fell short.

    He sure did. "Wonderful" sounds like a parody of the Beach Boys.

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  • From Dennis Rowan@21:1/5 to RJKe...@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 29 17:05:07 2021
    On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-4, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, dennis...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 7:24:43 PM UTC-4, Laughing Jaw wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 1:55:43 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.


    I think McCartney was influenced by “God Only Knows” in his writing and singing of “Here, There and Everywhere”.
    And I think " Wonderful" on the "Smile" album was Brian's attempt to match "She's Leaving Home"

    He fell short.
    He sure did. "Wonderful" sounds like a parody of the Beach Boys.

    Van Dyke Parks was by far Brian's worst lyricist.

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  • From Mack A. Damia@21:1/5 to dennisrowan1@gmail.com on Thu Jul 29 18:09:17 2021
    On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:05:07 -0700 (PDT), Dennis Rowan
    <dennisrowan1@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-4, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, dennis...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 7:24:43 PM UTC-4, Laughing Jaw wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 1:55:43 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.


    I think McCartney was influenced by God Only Knows in his writing and singing of Here, There and Everywhere.
    And I think " Wonderful" on the "Smile" album was Brian's attempt to match "She's Leaving Home"

    He fell short.
    He sure did. "Wonderful" sounds like a parody of the Beach Boys.

    Van Dyke Parks was by far Brian's worst lyricist.

    Photo taken in the last few days.

    https://ibb.co/nfPmDCQ

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  • From Norbert K@21:1/5 to Mack A. Damia on Fri Jul 30 04:50:01 2021
    On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 9:09:29 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 17:05:07 -0700 (PDT), Dennis Rowan
    <dennis...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-4, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, dennis...@gmail.com wrote: >> > On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 7:24:43 PM UTC-4, Laughing Jaw wrote:
    On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 1:55:43 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
    The problem is, "God Only Knows" doesn't sound like anything on Revolver, and Wilson made this statement just a couple of years ago, in 2017.


    I think McCartney was influenced by “God Only Knows” in his writing and singing of “Here, There and Everywhere”.
    And I think " Wonderful" on the "Smile" album was Brian's attempt to match "She's Leaving Home"

    He fell short.
    He sure did. "Wonderful" sounds like a parody of the Beach Boys.

    Van Dyke Parks was by far Brian's worst lyricist.
    Photo taken in the last few days.

    https://ibb.co/nfPmDCQ

    He looks okay there.

    I remember that when Wilson re-emerged in the late 80s to promote his first (sllegedly co-produced by Eugene Landy) solo album, half of his face seemed paralyzed, as if he'd had a stroke. I thought, "That's why only half of his face is shown on the
    album cover."

    This condition was eventually recognized as an effect of the excessive prescription drug regimen Landy had him on.

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  • From Rich D@21:1/5 to Norbert K on Mon Aug 2 17:45:54 2021
    On July 25, Norbert K wrote:
    I read something, can't recall where, that the group
    was fascinated by Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds". And
    I've seen some similar references, that other Brit bands
    were also so influenced, at that time.
    I don't hear it, whether Beatles or anybody else. The
    album was a typical Beach Boys product, primarily vocal
    harmonies, including a few hits.

    McCartney has been expressing his admiration of Pet Sounds for years. His stories have evolved,
    and some versions of his "Pet Sounds inspired Sgt. Pepper" tale strike me as far-fetched. I don't
    detect any Beach Boys influence on Pepper.

    First, to me, the album sounds like their others, nothing special.

    Duke Ellington, who famously denigrated rock, was asked about
    the Beatles. He replied, "At least they sing in key." Which was sort of a lukewarm compliment.

    It's true, they were more attuned to voice than the other rock screamers.
    So it's possible McC is talking about the Beach Boys vocalizations, as something worth studying, rather than the melodies.


    --
    Rich

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  • From Matt@21:1/5 to Rich D on Tue Aug 3 09:23:31 2021
    On 25 Jul 2021 at 02:34:16 CEST, "Rich D" <rdelaney2001@gmail.com> wrote:

    I read something, can't recall where, that the group
    was fascinated by Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds". And
    I've seen some similar references, that other Brit bands
    were also so influenced, at that time.

    I don't hear it, whether Beatles or anybody else. The
    album was a typical Beach Boys product, primarily vocal
    harmonies, including a few hits.

    Anyone care to elaborate on this?

    --
    Rich

    When I lived in Malibu (California) one day I saw Paul driving a convertible and when I caught up with him and was stopped waiting for another car to
    cross,
    I could hear a Beach Boys song coming from his sound equipment, later I heard in an
    interview that they did on a LA radio to Paul himself commenting that he liked driving
    down Mullholland Drive listening to Beach Boys at full volume.

    At that moment it occurred to me that The Beatles did not have the perception of The Beatles
    as it shook us, and surely they were looking for their own idols all the time.

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