On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems by Ono
it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971, though
McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things
Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool" to
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
With regard to the book that Dick Gregory gave him -- the book which inspired "Imagine" --, Lennon said this in the Playboy interview: "The concept of positive prayer...if you can imagine a world at peace, with no denominations of religion -- notwithout religion but without this 'My God is bigger than your God' thing -- then it can be true."
"The World Church called me once and asked, 'Can we use the lyrics to "Imagine" and just change it to "Imagine one religion"? That showed me that they didn't understand it at all. It would defeat the whole purpose of the song, the whole idea."religion.
I understand Lennon's song better now. However, Ono's claim that her so-called poems in Grapefruit inspired "Imagine" is becoming more tenuous by the minute. Nowhere in that creepy book does Ono call for peace through an absence of denominations of
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert KOno from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems by
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things >> > Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool" to
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World. Oh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after theybroke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and
buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone,
and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I
have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
without religion but without this 'My God is bigger than your God' thing -- then it can be true."With regard to the book that Dick Gregory gave him -- the book which inspired "Imagine" --, Lennon said this in the Playboy interview: "The concept of positive prayer...if you can imagine a world at peace, with no denominations of religion -- not
religion."The World Church called me once and asked, 'Can we use the lyrics to "Imagine" and just change it to "Imagine one religion"? That showed me that they didn't understand it at all. It would defeat the whole purpose of the song, the whole idea."
I understand Lennon's song better now. However, Ono's claim that her so-called poems in Grapefruit inspired "Imagine" is becoming more tenuous by the minute. Nowhere in that creepy book does Ono call for peace through an absence of denominations of
It's funny, when I was younger ( before I was a beatles/lennon fan) I ALWAYS interpreted that line (and the rest of the song, for that matter) like how John states it, and I never read that interview till pretty recently. I never understood peoplefuzzing over the lyrics so much.
Ono does call the reader to "kill every men you slept with"
I read her book. A LOT of her later concepts like Fly, Coffin Car and Listen the snow is falling etc. originate from that.
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:Ono from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems by
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things
Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool" to
the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there would beMost George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.Oh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they
broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and
buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone,
and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I
have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
without religion but without this 'My God is bigger than your God' thing -- then it can be true."With regard to the book that Dick Gregory gave him -- the book which inspired "Imagine" --, Lennon said this in the Playboy interview: "The concept of positive prayer...if you can imagine a world at peace, with no denominations of religion -- not
religion."The World Church called me once and asked, 'Can we use the lyrics to "Imagine" and just change it to "Imagine one religion"? That showed me that they didn't understand it at all. It would defeat the whole purpose of the song, the whole idea."
I understand Lennon's song better now. However, Ono's claim that her so-called poems in Grapefruit inspired "Imagine" is becoming more tenuous by the minute. Nowhere in that creepy book does Ono call for peace through an absence of denominations of
It's funny, when I was younger ( before I was a beatles/lennon fan) I ALWAYS interpreted that line (and the rest of the song, for that matter) like how John states it, and I never read that interview till pretty recently. I never understood peoplefuzzing over the lyrics so much.
Ono does call the reader to "kill every men you slept with"
I read her book. A LOT of her later concepts like Fly, Coffin Car and Listen the snow is falling etc. originate from that.
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:57:36 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:by Ono from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
to McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things
Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool"
the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there would beOh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and
buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone,
and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I
have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
I meant to type "A Paul song would be followed by a John song," etc.
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Norbert Kby Ono from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:57:36 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
to McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things
Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool"
be the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there wouldOh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and
buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone,
and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I >> > have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
I meant to type "A Paul song would be followed by a John song," etc.I never really enjoyed John's songs after he teamed up with Yoko. I
can think of "Imagine", and that's about all.
He had ten years by himself with Yoko. I don't think his compositions
were "outstanding", not like Paul's and some of George's. "Imagine"
is the exception.
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems by Ono
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971, though it
I'm in a minority on this, but I believe Walls & Bridges is John's best solo album. It's got a wide variety of musical styles. It addresses a diversity of themes. "#9 Dream" is John's best post-Beatles song, in my opinion, and there are several othergood ones on the record.
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Norbert KOno from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
<norbertkosky69@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:57:36 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems by
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
to McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things >>>>>>> Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool"
be the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there wouldOh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and
buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone,
and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I
have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
I meant to type "A Paul song would be followed by a John song," etc.
I never really enjoyed John's songs after he teamed up with Yoko. I
can think of "Imagine", and that's about all.
He had ten years by himself with Yoko. I don't think his compositions
were "outstanding", not like Paul's and some of George's. "Imagine"
is the exception.
On 8/06/2021 10:51 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:Ono from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbertkosky69@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:57:36 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems by
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
to McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things >>>>>>>> Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool"
be the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there wouldOh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and >>>>> buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone,
and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I >>>>> have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
I meant to type "A Paul song would be followed by a John song," etc.
I never really enjoyed John's songs after he teamed up with Yoko. I
can think of "Imagine", and that's about all.
He had ten years by himself with Yoko. I don't think his compositions
were "outstanding", not like Paul's and some of George's. "Imagine"
is the exception.
Surely everything off Double Fantasy, apart from Yoko's 'contributions',
are worthy ?
On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 11:19:47 +1200, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>by Ono from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
wrote:
On 8/06/2021 10:51 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbertkosky69@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:57:36 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
to McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things
Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool"
be the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there wouldOh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they >>>>>> broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and >>>>>> buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone, >>>>>> and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I >>>>>> have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
I meant to type "A Paul song would be followed by a John song," etc.
I never really enjoyed John's songs after he teamed up with Yoko. I
can think of "Imagine", and that's about all.
He had ten years by himself with Yoko. I don't think his compositions
were "outstanding", not like Paul's and some of George's. "Imagine"
is the exception.
Surely everything off Double Fantasy, apart from Yoko's 'contributions',
are worthy ?
I have the impression that it only became worthy after John was
murdered.
"Starting Over" isn't bad. "Woman", too What else?
I wouldn't call any of the songs "outstanding", but that is only my
opinion.
good ones on the record.I'm in a minority on this, but I believe Walls & Bridges is John's best solo album. It's got a wide variety of musical styles. It addresses a diversity of themes. "#9 Dream" is John's best post-Beatles song, in my opinion, and there are several other
Hallelujah!
I disagree about Imagine though. I think it's a pretty good record, although I wouldn't call it his best. Isn't it a pity he's "defined" by it, however?
I don't like "Cleanup Time" or "Dear Yoko."
There's audio on Youtube of Jack Douglas discussing the demo tape of DF songs John sent him. He says that, after each song, Lennon would say something like, "That's not very good. I should send it to Ringo."
It sounds to me as if John was just getting warmed up again with the DF songs. If I had been his producer, I'd have urged him to keep writing for a while before making a record. I'd have done a few other things differently, too...
On 8/06/2021 10:51 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:by Ono from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:57:36 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
to McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things
Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool"
be the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there wouldOh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they >>>> broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and >>>> buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone, >>>> and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I >>>> have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
I meant to type "A Paul song would be followed by a John song," etc.
I never really enjoyed John's songs after he teamed up with Yoko. I
can think of "Imagine", and that's about all.
He had ten years by himself with Yoko. I don't think his compositions
were "outstanding", not like Paul's and some of George's. "Imagine"
is the exception.
Surely everything off Double Fantasy, apart from Yoko's 'contributions',
are worthy ?
geoff
I don't like "Cleanup Time" or "Dear Yoko."
There's audio on Youtube of Jack Douglas discussing the demo tape of DF songs John sent him. He says that, after each song, Lennon would say something like, "That's not very good. I should send it to Ringo."
It sounds to me as if John was just getting warmed up again with the DF songs. If I had been his producer, I'd have urged him to keep writing for a while before making a record. I'd have done a few other things differently, too...This is how I would rank DF:
1. Watching The Wheels
2 I'm Losing You
3 Beautiful Boy
4 Woman
5 Starting Over
6 Dear Yoko
7 Cleanup Time
Re: Ya Ya, yeah he did that as a present for Julian.
I don't like "Cleanup Time" or "Dear Yoko."
There's audio on Youtube of Jack Douglas discussing the demo tape of DF songs John sent him. He says that, after each song, Lennon would say something like, "That's not very good. I should send it to Ringo."
It sounds to me as if John was just getting warmed up again with the DF songs. If I had been his producer, I'd have urged him to keep writing for a while before making a record. I'd have done a few other things differently, too...
This is how I would rank DF:
1. Watching The Wheels
2 I'm Losing You
3 Beautiful Boy
4 Woman
5 Starting Over
6 Dear Yoko
On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 04:03:02 -0700 (PDT), Emma Smulders
<emma.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't like "Cleanup Time" or "Dear Yoko."
There's audio on Youtube of Jack Douglas discussing the demo tape of DF songs John sent him. He says that, after each song, Lennon would say something like, "That's not very good. I should send it to Ringo."
It sounds to me as if John was just getting warmed up again with the DF songs. If I had been his producer, I'd have urged him to keep writing for a while before making a record. I'd have done a few other things differently, too...
This is how I would rank DF:
1. Watching The WheelsNow this one I like:
2 I'm Losing You
3 Beautiful Boy
4 Woman
5 Starting Over
6 Dear Yoko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itk-ndTnNWc
Good beat, I could dance to it. I give it a 95.
(Thanks for the memories, Dick)
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 11:04:23 AM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 04:03:02 -0700 (PDT), Emma Smulders <emma.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't like "Cleanup Time" or "Dear Yoko."
There's audio on Youtube of Jack Douglas discussing the demo tape of DF songs John sent him. He says that, after each song, Lennon would say something like, "That's not very good. I should send it to Ringo."
It sounds to me as if John was just getting warmed up again with the DF songs. If I had been his producer, I'd have urged him to keep writing for a while before making a record. I'd have done a few other things differently, too...
This is how I would rank DF:
1. Watching The WheelsNow this one I like:
2 I'm Losing You
3 Beautiful Boy
4 Woman
5 Starting Over
6 Dear Yoko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itk-ndTnNWc
Good beat, I could dance to it. I give it a 95.
(Thanks for the memories, Dick)I think "Oh, Yoko" is pleasant enough. It could have used another section -- a change in feel, a middle eight. Same with "Give Me Some Truth," though that at least has the good solo courtesy of George.
Yoko should have claimed co-writing credit for "Oh, Yoko." "In the middle of a dream," "In the middle of a cloud," etc. That's Yokoesque imagery. Of course, this song isn't famous as "Imagine."
I don't like "Cleanup Time" or "Dear Yoko."
There's audio on Youtube of Jack Douglas discussing the demo tape of DF songs John sent him. He says that, after each song, Lennon would say something like, "That's not very good. I should send it to Ringo."
It sounds to me as if John was just getting warmed up again with the DF songs. If I had been his producer, I'd have urged him to keep writing for a while before making a record. I'd have done a few other things differently, too...
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:27:19 AM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:good ones on the record.
I'm in a minority on this, but I believe Walls & Bridges is John's best solo album. It's got a wide variety of musical styles. It addresses a diversity of themes. "#9 Dream" is John's best post-Beatles song, in my opinion, and there are several other
Hallelujah!
I disagree about Imagine though. I think it's a pretty good record, although I wouldn't call it his best. Isn't it a pity he's "defined" by it, however?
I guess I'd "keep" the title song, "How Do You Sleep?", "
On 9/06/2021 10:22 pm, Norbert K wrote:other good ones on the record.
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:27:19 AM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
I'm in a minority on this, but I believe Walls & Bridges is John's best solo album. It's got a wide variety of musical styles. It addresses a diversity of themes. "#9 Dream" is John's best post-Beatles song, in my opinion, and there are several
Hallelujah!
I disagree about Imagine though. I think it's a pretty good record, although I wouldn't call it his best. Isn't it a pity he's "defined" by it, however?
I guess I'd "keep" the title song, "How Do You Sleep?", "Ah yes, 'How Do You Sleep'. Precursor to 'Jealous Guy'.
geoff
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Norbert Kby Ono from her 1964 book Grapefruit."
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:57:36 PM UTC-4, Norbert K wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:47:57 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2021 3:10 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Today's issue of Parade Magazine has an article purportedly on "The True Stories Behind the Best Songs of 1971."
John Lennon's -- and supposedly now Yoko Ono's -- song
"Imagine" is one of those mentioned. And the "true story" behind it? According to the article, the song "owes a key part of its creation to [Lennon's] wife, Yoko Ono. Lennon's idea to base a song on envisioning a better world came from poems
though it is not mentioned in the Parade article -- is much better than Lennon's bland "Imagine."
It sounds like something Elliot Mintz would say. I've read Grapefruit. It is alternately morbid and vacuous. Nowhere among Ono's free verse is there a vision of a better world.
Re-writing history is ubiquitous. Follow the money.
While I'm on this topic , I am not a McCartney partisan. I'm glad that most Beatles albums have more-or-less equal numbers of Lennon and McCartney songs. However, I'd argue that *any* song from McCartney's Ram album -- also released in 1971,
to McCartney-bash, even if the record was great. Ram was panned. London Town was panned. Robert Hilburn argued at length that Lennon's (mostly dreary, IMO) Mind Games was superior to McCartney's brilliant Band on the Run.You have sold yourself short.
The only album I bought after they broke up was Harrison's "All Things
Must Pass".
Obviously, each fan is free purchase the solo stuff he's interested in, but I'd say McCartney regularly rose to the caliber of his Beatles work in the 70s -- though his work was not appreciated by the critics at the time. It's as if it was "cool"
be the occasional George song and Ringo lead vocal. You'd get to see where each of the songwriters "was" in his development at the time.The truth is, even though I think Paul released several great albums in the 70s, I could understand a Beatles fan declining to buy them. A great deal of the fun of the Beatles is that a Paul song would be followed by a George song, then there wouldOh, I loved a lot of McCartney's and Ringo's songs, too, after they
Most George fans love All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World.
broke up. I just never had the means and opportunities to go out and
buy their albums. I recall buying some 45s, but they are long gone,
and I don't recall what I bought. I may have Paul's RAM album, too. I >> > have stacks of albums, but I have never catalogued them.
I meant to type "A Paul song would be followed by a John song," etc.I never really enjoyed John's songs after he teamed up with Yoko. I
can think of "Imagine", and that's about all.
He had ten years by himself with Yoko. I don't think his compositions
were "outstanding", not like Paul's and some of George's. "Imagine"
is the exception.
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that vein.
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that vein.
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
Yoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 17:09:13 UTC+2 schreef Mack A. Damia:still a little boy at times")
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:John was very child-like in his demeanor. Easy to manipulate.
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that vein.
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
Yoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."
I find it so interesting that John is being described as having an old soul when being so young ("He hardly ever appeared to me to be a boy as the others were. More a young old man.") and then you have others who describe him as very childish ("He was
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that vein.
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
Yoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."John was very child-like in his demeanor. Easy to manipulate.
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 17:09:13 UTC+2 schreef Mack A. Damia:still a little boy at times")
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K
<norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that vein.
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
I find it so interesting that John is being described as having an old soul when being so young ("He hardly ever appeared to me to be a boy as the others were. More a young old man.") and then you have others who describe him as very childish ("He wasYoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."John was very child-like in his demeanor. Easy to manipulate.
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 20:17:10 UTC+2 schreef Norbert K:vein.
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 17:09:13 UTC+2 schreef Mack A. Damia:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K <norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that
was still a little boy at times")
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
I find it so interesting that John is being described as having an old soul when being so young ("He hardly ever appeared to me to be a boy as the others were. More a young old man.") and then you have others who describe him as very childish ("HeYoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."John was very child-like in his demeanor. Easy to manipulate.
to May Pang, Ono boasted to David Spinozza that Lennon was like a child who would do whatever she told him to do.John admitted that the Annie Leibovitz photograph of him clinging nakedly to clothed Ono "perfectly captured" their relationship; in the song "Woman," written to Yoko, he says "I know you understand the little child inside of a man"; and, according
is altered radically by the other.Here's my question: Were these childlike qualities *induced by* Ono (with, perhaps, the aid of primal therapy and Lennon's "continuous acid trip" of an existence prior to joining Ono? I'm sure we all know of cases in which one partner in a marriage
attachment to a Beatle. She wasn’t like my friends, who enjoyed a giggle and some fun: she was rather serious, and often, I thought, behaved more like John’s mother than his wife.”Is anyone known to have found Lennon childlike prior to his relationship with Ono? I've read, e.g., Cynthia Lennon's books & watched her interviews, and I don't think she ever deemed him childlike.According to Pattie:
“I liked Cynthia, but of all the Beatle wives and girlfriends I found her the most difficult to make friends with. She and I came from such different backgrounds; she had no career, she was a young mother, and we had no point of reference apart from
One could make the case John sought out a particular type of women, and Yoko might have exploited this.
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:was still a little boy at times")
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 17:09:13 UTC+2 schreef Mack A. Damia:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K <norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that vein.
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
I find it so interesting that John is being described as having an old soul when being so young ("He hardly ever appeared to me to be a boy as the others were. More a young old man.") and then you have others who describe him as very childish ("HeYoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."John was very child-like in his demeanor. Easy to manipulate.
John admitted that the Annie Leibovitz photograph of him clinging nakedly to clothed Ono "perfectly captured" their relationship; in the song "Woman," written to Yoko, he says "I know you understand the little child inside of a man"; and, according toMay Pang, Ono boasted to David Spinozza that Lennon was like a child who would do whatever she told him to do.
Here's my question: Were these childlike qualities *induced by* Ono (with, perhaps, the aid of primal therapy and Lennon's "continuous acid trip" of an existence prior to joining Ono? I'm sure we all know of cases in which one partner in a marriage isaltered radically by the other.
Is anyone known to have found Lennon childlike prior to his relationship with Ono? I've read, e.g., Cynthia Lennon's books & watched her interviews, and I don't think she ever deemed him childlike.
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:29:25 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:vein.
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 20:17:10 UTC+2 schreef Norbert K:
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 17:09:13 UTC+2 schreef Mack A. Damia:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K <norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote: >> > McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.
IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that
He was still a little boy at times")
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
I find it so interesting that John is being described as having an old soul when being so young ("He hardly ever appeared to me to be a boy as the others were. More a young old man.") and then you have others who describe him as very childish ("Yoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."John was very child-like in his demeanor. Easy to manipulate.
to May Pang, Ono boasted to David Spinozza that Lennon was like a child who would do whatever she told him to do.John admitted that the Annie Leibovitz photograph of him clinging nakedly to clothed Ono "perfectly captured" their relationship; in the song "Woman," written to Yoko, he says "I know you understand the little child inside of a man"; and, according
is altered radically by the other.Here's my question: Were these childlike qualities *induced by* Ono (with, perhaps, the aid of primal therapy and Lennon's "continuous acid trip" of an existence prior to joining Ono? I'm sure we all know of cases in which one partner in a marriage
from attachment to a Beatle. She wasn’t like my friends, who enjoyed a giggle and some fun: she was rather serious, and often, I thought, behaved more like John’s mother than his wife.”Is anyone known to have found Lennon childlike prior to his relationship with Ono? I've read, e.g., Cynthia Lennon's books & watched her interviews, and I don't think she ever deemed him childlike.According to Pattie:
“I liked Cynthia, but of all the Beatle wives and girlfriends I found her the most difficult to make friends with. She and I came from such different backgrounds; she had no career, she was a young mother, and we had no point of reference apart
One could make the case John sought out a particular type of women, and Yoko might have exploited this.Hmm, yes, thanks for that quote. May Pang also says that at times she felt John wanted her to be his mother -- a type of relationship that was not desirable to May.
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 21:02:06 UTC+2 schreef Norbert K:vein.
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:29:25 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 20:17:10 UTC+2 schreef Norbert K:
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
Op maandag 14 juni 2021 om 17:09:13 UTC+2 schreef Mack A. Damia:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT), Norbert K <norbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-4, Emma Smulders wrote:
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that
He was still a little boy at times")
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
I find it so interesting that John is being described as having an old soul when being so young ("He hardly ever appeared to me to be a boy as the others were. More a young old man.") and then you have others who describe him as very childish ("Yoko was scornful of John's and the Beatles' work on several occasions. John was so whipped that he accepted her disdain as "avant garde snobbery."John was very child-like in his demeanor. Easy to manipulate.
according to May Pang, Ono boasted to David Spinozza that Lennon was like a child who would do whatever she told him to do.John admitted that the Annie Leibovitz photograph of him clinging nakedly to clothed Ono "perfectly captured" their relationship; in the song "Woman," written to Yoko, he says "I know you understand the little child inside of a man"; and,
marriage is altered radically by the other.Here's my question: Were these childlike qualities *induced by* Ono (with, perhaps, the aid of primal therapy and Lennon's "continuous acid trip" of an existence prior to joining Ono? I'm sure we all know of cases in which one partner in a
from attachment to a Beatle. She wasn’t like my friends, who enjoyed a giggle and some fun: she was rather serious, and often, I thought, behaved more like John’s mother than his wife.”Is anyone known to have found Lennon childlike prior to his relationship with Ono? I've read, e.g., Cynthia Lennon's books & watched her interviews, and I don't think she ever deemed him childlike.According to Pattie:
“I liked Cynthia, but of all the Beatle wives and girlfriends I found her the most difficult to make friends with. She and I came from such different backgrounds; she had no career, she was a young mother, and we had no point of reference apart
Right. She clearly wanted John to be his own man. I wonder what would've happened if May DID do that. Would he have stayed with her?One could make the case John sought out a particular type of women, and Yoko might have exploited this.Hmm, yes, thanks for that quote. May Pang also says that at times she felt John wanted her to be his mother -- a type of relationship that was not desirable to May.
McCartney knew how to better John's songs. Yoko didn't know or care. She was out to promote herself.IDK if you follow the Lenono PR bs, but when a new remix of an album is made (like the last POB release) they always go "Yoko thinks it's very important to treat these tracks well, because she cares so much about John." Or smth around that vein.
IMO she should've cared when he was still around.
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