On Saturday, September 29, 2001 at 10:03:59 PM UTC-4, drumoon wrote:

Indeed. Thanks.
But most cymbals have a stamp of the manufacturer. That's more of what I was asking about. I'm glad to know if a Zildjian is a Scimitar or a ZBT (so I
can run screaming), so in that respect the labeling has become kind of necessary, but you can tell those cymbals without the model printed on them. It's the permanent stamp I'm concerned with - I'm surprised a company like Zildjian would send a cymbal out without one, even if it is meant for a retailer to "rebrand". Know what I mean?
- Drumoon
"JVN " <dw...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20010928091056...@mb-mj.aol.com...

I don't know that the cymbals Z made for Manny's were even "seconds". I

have

seen and played two previously and they were as good as anything else I've heard from Z. The pitch to consumers would have been "this is a cymbal

that

Zildjian makes exclusively for Manny's", not "This is a crappy cymbal that

we

bought for cheap dollars". That was also at a time where they made a

cymbal and

it was not labeled "light", "heavy", "dark", or even "ride", "crash" etc.

It

was just a cymbal and it was up to the drummer, not the company how it

would be

used (What a concept!). The companies didn't catch on to the idea of

labeling

them with a description/model name until after Bill Crowden in Chicago had great success doing it himself with a rubber stamp in the back room of his shop.

Where there is no vision, people perish. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Vintage Zildjian's were all made the same way with the same recipe. Stamped or not, they were the same. When the Zildjian brothers split up one went and started Sabian. Part of the deal When he left was that he got half the Zildjian inventory. So the
first Sabians had Zildjian stamps.

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