On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 8:12:48 PM UTC-7, worth...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 6:14:38 AM UTC-8, Jeff wrote:

Freddie played a 38B (Connstellation), as did Lee, Maynard, Tom
Harrell, Jacoby, etc.

I can't speak to quality issues between the 60s and 70s, all the pre-
UMI Conns I've played were from the late 50s/early 60s.

Freddie Hubbard and lee morgen played a 8b from the 60s not a 38b I have a 1959 38b and 1977 8b two different trumpets but share the wide wrap and small bore both if you understand how to play them some of the finest horns ever built but I do notice

the difference in Elkhart and texas but the older the better they just don't make the older 38b smooth fast butter like valves peal the paint off of walls chet baker manyard and cat anderson used 38b I know this because I used to take my 38b to the
keystone corner in san Francisco when I was about 8 or 10 years old and talk to freedie after his set and compare trumpets his was smaller I think some players just don't like holding up a tank when they can get the about the same results with the 8b
thanks Geoff



On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 8:12:48 PM UTC-7, worth...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 6:14:38 AM UTC-8, Jeff wrote:

Freddie played a 38B (Connstellation), as did Lee, Maynard, Tom
Harrell, Jacoby, etc.

I can't speak to quality issues between the 60s and 70s, all the pre-
UMI Conns I've played were from the late 50s/early 60s.

Freddie Hubbard and lee morgen played a 8b from the 60s not a 38b I have a 1959 38b and 1977 8b two different trumpets but share the wide wrap and small bore both if you understand how to play them some of the finest horns ever built but I do notice

the difference in Elkhart and texas but the older the better they just don't make the older 38b smooth fast butter like valves peal the paint off of walls chet baker manyard and cat anderson used 38b I know this because I used to take my 38b to the
keystone corner in san Francisco when I was about 8 or 10 years old and talk to freedie after his set and compare trumpets his was smaller I think some players just don't like holding up a tank when they can get the about the same results with the 8b
thanks Geoff

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On Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 6:14:38 AM UTC-8, Jeff wrote:

Freddie played a 38B (Connstellation), as did Lee, Maynard, Tom
Harrell, Jacoby, etc.

I can't speak to quality issues between the 60s and 70s, all the pre-
UMI Conns I've played were from the late 50s/early 60s.

Freddie Hubbard and lee morgen played a 8b from the 60s not a 38b I have a 1959 38b and 1977 8b two different trumpets but share the wide wrap and small bore both if you understand how to play them some of the finest horns ever built but I do notice the
difference in Elkhart and texas but the older the better they just don't make the older 38b smooth fast butter like valves peal the paint off of walls chet baker manyard and cat anderson used 38b I know this because I used to take my 38b to the keystone
corner in san Francisco when I was about 8 or 10 years old and talk to freedie after his set and compare trumpets his was smaller I think some players just don't like holding up a tank when they can get the about the same results with the 8b thanks Geoff

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On Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 6:33:44 AM UTC-5, kornelio wrote:

Hi there, I am trumpet student from Hungary and would like to ask the
advice of you, more experineced guys. I am interested in jazz and
could possibly obtain a 1977 Conn Artist 8B trumpet in good condition,
which is quite rare according to the conn loyalist website.

Do you think it is true that the quality of Conn trumpets deteriorated
from about 1971 (?) when the company moved from one place to another?
As far as I know jazz greats like Lee Morgan and Freddy Hubbard used
this kind of trumpet for some time, but I am sure theirs were made
back in the 60s. If there might be a substantial difference in quality
I would rather wait until an older trumpet appears , but if you think
a 1977 Conn 8B is not very different from a 1960s Conn 8B in quality I
would consider purchising it. I have no opportunity to try the
trumpet, but I have 60s Conn 6B (late model) that I quite like.
Does anyone have any experiences with vintage Artist 8B trumpets?
I would appreciate any comments, opinions.
thank you very much
Endre

It is true that the general quality of Conn instruments went down after 1970.

However, there are some wonderful Conns made in the 1970's.

The problem in quality control in the 1970's meant that there was a greater chance of getting a bad Conn, not that all Conns wre bad in the 1970's.

Just to make up numbers that will give the idea:
IN the 1960's there might have been 1 percent chance of buying a bad Conn.
In the 1970's there might have been a 25 percent chance of buying a bad Conn.

All because the company that bought out Conn in 1961 moved the factory to Texas in 1971 to save money by hiring less-experienced workers for less money.

Conn 9A cornet - Copper
Conn 5A cornet - Silver
Conn 76A cornet - Lacquer

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On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 4:38:54 PM UTC-4, morriso...@hotmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, February 27, 2008 at 6:33:44 AM UTC-5, kornelio wrote:

Hi there, I am trumpet student from Hungary and would like to ask the advice of you, more experineced guys. I am interested in jazz and
could possibly obtain a 1977 Conn Artist 8B trumpet in good condition, which is quite rare according to the conn loyalist website.

Do you think it is true that the quality of Conn trumpets deteriorated
from about 1971 (?) when the company moved from one place to another?
As far as I know jazz greats like Lee Morgan and Freddy Hubbard used
this kind of trumpet for some time, but I am sure theirs were made
back in the 60s. If there might be a substantial difference in quality
I would rather wait until an older trumpet appears , but if you think
a 1977 Conn 8B is not very different from a 1960s Conn 8B in quality I would consider purchising it. I have no opportunity to try the
trumpet, but I have 60s Conn 6B (late model) that I quite like.
Does anyone have any experiences with vintage Artist 8B trumpets?
I would appreciate any comments, opinions.
thank you very much
Endre

It is true that the general quality of Conn instruments went down after 1970.

However, there are some wonderful Conns made in the 1970's.

The problem in quality control in the 1970's meant that there was a greater chance of getting a bad Conn, not that all Conns wre bad in the 1970's.

Just to make up numbers that will give the idea:
IN the 1960's there might have been 1 percent chance of buying a bad Conn. In the 1970's there might have been a 25 percent chance of buying a bad Conn.

All because the company that bought out Conn in 1961 moved the factory to Texas in 1971 to save money by hiring less-experienced workers for less money.

Conn 9A cornet - Copper
Conn 5A cornet - Silver
Conn 76A cornet - Lacquer

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Athritis and blindness again.

Conn was bought out in 1969, then the factory was moved in 1971.

Morris

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