On Tuesday, April 9, 2002 at 8:54:10 AM UTC-7, Jeff Carter wrote:

Avoid the "R" series. They
are actually made at a competitors factory with the Ramirez label in
them.

It is my understanding that both student lines, "R" and "E", are outsourced and
built to Ramirez specs. Alhambra is said to build the E series, and Raimundo the R. You can verify this with their US distributor, GSI, who will confirm that both lines are built elsewhere, but will not divulge the maker(s).

damn, I'm glad I say this post, I'm chomping at the bit for one and Guitar Center has a R1cw for sale 1199 I almost bought.

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On Tuesday, April 9, 2002 at 2:04:52 PM UTC-7, Clint Johnson wrote:

He's right, to an extent. The "R" series guitars are good guitars in
their own right (and generally about half the price), though not up to
snuff with the "E" series and up. Something you should know: The first
guitar in the Ramirez line that is all solid (no laminate top) is the
3E. I picked up one from Maple Street guitars in Atlanta a few years
ago for around 1800. In general, the solid-body guitars are warmer and all-around better in the long run. The 4E that Robert mentioned is
almost the same guitar as the 3E and runs a few hundred dollars more,
I believe.

If you want an electric-classical, then Ramirez may not be the way to
go. But, I've never regretted buying mine.. it's still the best
sounding classical that I've ever played.

Hope that helps..
Clint

Thanks Clint, I'm gonna hold out for a 3E I guess. Whew, almost bought a !E cutaway for 1200

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