• Maple vs. Walnut and Koa

    From fouad.belhadi@gmail.com@21:1/5 to SBoyke on Tue Oct 30 06:40:44 2018
    On Friday, 16 October 1998 09:00:00 UTC+2, SBoyke wrote:
    In a message dated Wed, Oct 14, 1998 9:24 AM, flyfis4fun@aol.com55 (Flyfis4fun)
    wrote:

    Had a chance to play a Maple 614 ce Taylor yesterday and was very surprised by
    the tone. Not nearly as bright and cold sounding as I expected it to be. In
    fact I would even describe the tone as warm. Unfortunately the store didn't >have any of the Koa or Walnut backed series so I need to ask how these woods >tend to differ in tones compared to Maple

    Thanks.

    Mike

    All other things being equal, b&s tonewoods go something like this:

    From darkest to brightest: Rosewood, Walnut, Koa, Mahogany, Maple. However, it isn't quite right to say maple is "simply" brighter than the others, or that
    walnut is darker than koa. Each tonewood has unique aural characteristics. Some describe these in terms of the amount of overtones produced relative to the fundamental of the tone being played or some other technical description. I tend to think of these sounds with descriptive words:

    Rosewood: deep, rich, sustaining
    Walnut: sweet, warm, honest
    koa: excited, woody, balanced
    mahogany: wholesome, woody, sparkling
    maple: clear, smooth, direct

    Many other factors effect the contribution these woods make to an instrument's
    sound: the top wood, the body style, the luthier, the player, the music style.
    For example, a koa/spruce guitar is a very different animal from a koa/cedar one. A player using fingerpicks with poor technique (in the right hand) has a
    hard time making any maple guitar sound at its potential, but can get by with rosewood. Fast, intense pieces can become muddy sounding (even with supurb technique) on large bodied guitars, particularly rosewood or walnut ones, but the same pieces (with the same player) can sound less agitated, more accessible
    (to the listener) with mahogany or maple. Each of these tonewoods can sound wonderful, if part of a decent instrument played by a musician who cares about
    tone (i.e., right hand chops).

    Best solution: Pick one that speaks to your soul. In the following year or two, get another but with different wood combinations, body style, luthier. Keep this up for 10 years or so while your playing skills improve (10 hours per
    week+). Take your "performance" temperature each 1000 hours of practice time.
    At the end of ten years, you'll have many cool guitars and you'll be able to play them very, very well.

    --
    SBoyke@AOL.com

    @ SBoyke, thanks for the meaningful passionated description that I share although I am not a professional on the matter! What would you say about Pernambuco for instrument body, how would you describe its sound? Fouad

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  • From Steve Hawkins@21:1/5 to fouad.belhadi@gmail.com on Tue Oct 30 14:38:06 2018
    fouad.belhadi@gmail.com wrote in news:730d782f-741e-4305-bc80-a428b340ffa6@googlegroups.com:

    On Friday, 16 October 1998 09:00:00 UTC+2, SBoyke wrote:
    In a message dated Wed, Oct 14, 1998 9:24 AM, flyfis4fun@aol.com55
    (Flyfis4fun) wrote:

    Had a chance to play a Maple 614 ce Taylor yesterday and was very
    surprised by the tone. Not nearly as bright and cold sounding as I
    expected it to be. In fact I would even describe the tone as warm.
    Unfortunately the store didn't have any of the Koa or Walnut backed
    series so I need to ask how these woods tend to differ in tones
    compared to Maple

    Thanks.

    Mike

    All other things being equal, b&s tonewoods go something like this:

    From darkest to brightest: Rosewood, Walnut, Koa, Mahogany, Maple.
    However, it isn't quite right to say maple is "simply" brighter than
    the others, or that walnut is darker than koa. Each tonewood has
    unique aural characteristics. Some describe these in terms of the
    amount of overtones produced relative to the fundamental of the tone
    being played or some other technical description. I tend to think of
    these sounds with descriptive words:

    Rosewood: deep, rich, sustaining
    Walnut: sweet, warm, honest
    koa: excited, woody, balanced
    mahogany: wholesome, woody, sparkling
    maple: clear, smooth, direct

    Many other factors effect the contribution these woods make to an
    instrument's sound: the top wood, the body style, the luthier, the
    player, the music style.
    For example, a koa/spruce guitar is a very different animal from a
    koa/cedar
    one. A player using fingerpicks with poor technique (in the right
    hand) has a hard time making any maple guitar sound at its potential,
    but can get by with rosewood. Fast, intense pieces can become muddy
    sounding (even with supurb technique) on large bodied guitars,
    particularly rosewood or walnut ones, but the same pieces (with the
    same player) can sound less agitated, more accessible (to the
    listener) with mahogany or maple. Each of these tonewoods can sound
    wonderful, if part of a decent instrument played by a musician who
    cares about tone (i.e., right hand chops).

    Best solution: Pick one that speaks to your soul. In the following
    year or two, get another but with different wood combinations, body
    style, luthier. Keep this up for 10 years or so while your playing
    skills improve (10 hours per week+). Take your "performance"
    temperature each 1000 hours of practice time. At the end of ten
    years, you'll have many cool guitars and you'll be able to play them
    very, very well.

    --
    SBoyke@AOL.com

    @ SBoyke, thanks for the meaningful passionated description that I
    share although I am not a professional on the matter! What would you
    say about Pernambuco for instrument body, how would you describe its
    sound? Fouad


    Stephen wrote that post in 1998, I'm not sure he's around here anymore.

    Steve Hawkins

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  • From c21delta9@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Bob Abramowitz on Thu May 14 11:35:09 2020
    On Friday, October 16, 1998 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Bob Abramowitz wrote:
    SBoyke wrote:
    Some describe these in terms of the amount of overtones produced:

    Rosewood: deep, rich, sustaining
    Walnut: sweet, warm, honest
    koa: excited, woody, balanced
    mahogany: wholesome, woody, sparkling
    maple: clear, smooth, direct

    Hey, you forgot cabernet sauvignon and merlot!

    Seriously: those are well-chosen adjectives for the woods at issue.

    Bob "Oenophile" Abramowitz

    Missed Engelmann Spruce, actually.

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