• Lesmann Echo Amp for accordian

    From lapsteel77@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 18 11:23:30 2019
    I'm looking for any info about Lesmann Echo Amps. They were built in the 60's for use with the Lesmann accordian. I am in the process of trying to restore one and am having little luck finding anything about them anywhere.

    Thank You

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  • From DoN. Nichols@21:1/5 to lapsteel77@gmail.com on Mon May 20 01:05:24 2019
    On 2019-05-18, lapsteel77@gmail.com <lapsteel77@gmail.com> wrote:

    I'm looking for any info about Lesmann Echo Amps. They were built in
    the 60's for use with the Lesmann accordian. I am in the process of
    trying to restore one and am having little luck finding anything about
    them anywhere.

    Given the vintage -- the first thing would be to replace all electrolytic capacitors in the amp. They tend to dry up and fail. If
    the power filter caps are dead, you will get a lot of hum. Others could
    affect the frequency response and other things -- including greater
    distortion.

    Probably not much difference circuit wise between an accordion
    amp and a guitar amp of the same period.

    A quick search for schematics or manuals on the web failed, so
    the electrolytic cap replacement might be all that is needed -- and
    almost certainly *is* needed, even if there are also other problems
    there.

    Thank You

    Good luck,
    DoN.

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  • From lapsteel77@gmail.com@21:1/5 to lapst...@gmail.com on Sun May 19 19:52:15 2019
    On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-5, lapst...@gmail.com wrote:
    I'm looking for any info about Lesmann Echo Amps. They were built in the 60's for use with the Lesmann accordian. I am in the process of trying to restore one and am having little luck finding anything about them anywhere.

    Thank You

    Thanks Don

    What I really need is info on how this beast hooks up to another amp or accordian. It is like no other amp i've seen. There is no input jack of any kind. Not the six pin jack like the Lesmann organ amp or any 1/4" jacks like other amps.

    There is a hole on the bottom of the chassis and inside it looks like some wiring was cut out there.

    I'm hoping some oldtimer like me saw or used one of these back in the day and could clue me in to its use and hook up. There is NO info anywhere on the net that I can find so this must be a real rarity even for a Lesmann.

    Thanks again for your help!

    Dave

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  • From DoN. Nichols@21:1/5 to lapsteel77@gmail.com on Mon May 20 23:34:36 2019
    On 2019-05-20, lapsteel77@gmail.com <lapsteel77@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-5, lapst...@gmail.com wrote:

    I'm looking for any info about Lesmann Echo Amps. They were built in
    the 60's for use with the Lesmann accordian. I am in the process of
    trying to restore one and am having little luck finding anything about
    them anywhere.


    Thank You

    Thanks Don

    What I really need is info on how this beast hooks up to another amp
    or accordian. It is like no other amp i've seen. There is no input jack
    of any kind. Not the six pin jack like the Lesmann organ amp or any 1/4" jacks like other amps.

    O.K.

    There is a hole on the bottom of the chassis and inside it looks like
    some wiring was cut out there.

    Hmm ... likely had a connector on the bottom to connect to
    whatever it sat on. Perhaps it was the accordion itself, or perhaps on
    a speaker box.

    I'm hoping some oldtimer like me saw or used one of these back in the
    day and could clue me in to its use and hook up. There is NO info
    anywhere on the net that I can find so this must be a real rarity even
    for a Lesmann.

    I did see one find offering ways to convert such to act as a
    guitar amp -- it might have enough information to help you.

    Oops -- it was an offer to sell one, not how to modify one:

    <https://reverb.com/item/994148-vintage-1960-lesmann-accordio-organ-25w-1x15-tube-combo-amp-tweed-killer>

    It is already sold -- but if you scroll down a bit, you get an
    image of it -- and a bunch of others which show various things about it.
    Do these look like what you have? From the photos -- there is a phone
    jack on the front panel at one end for inputs. And I guess that it
    connects to the speaker under it via the hole with cut wires, which was
    likely a multi-pin connector.

    O.K. -- forth photo in the row of thumbnails below the main
    image. Looks like (from the left to the right):


    ======================================================================
    Fuse holder

    Power switch

    Pilot light

    five pots (likely two gain for two inputs, tone controls, and perhaps
    echo level)

    two phone jacks for inputs

    multi-pin connector for outputs to speaker (at a guess, a four pin round
    jones plug
    ======================================================================

    The metal cover to the left of the three transformers likely
    covers a reverb spring for the "echo" effect. (in the 6th photo)

    Do the cut off wire go to the transformer just to the right of
    the reverb cover? I think that is the output transformer, so those
    would be speaker connections.

    Hmm ...also one more phone jack between and below the middle two
    7-pin miniature tubes, and two more connectors between the power output
    tubes. (Maybe those are the connections for the speaker in the box. if
    so, the multi-pin connector may carry power to the electronic accordion.
    In that case, they would be a low voltage for the filaments in the tubes
    (6.3V or 12.6V likely) and a higher voltage for the plates of the tubes
    in the accordion -- like 140 to 180 VDC

    While I'm a bit of an old-timer (78 currently), I was not an
    accordion player -- but rather an English Concertina player (one of the
    reasons this is rec.music.makers.squeezebox -- it was formed to be
    friendly to all bellows-driven instrument players -- and only after it
    was formed did we discover that some accordion players objected to the
    term "squeezebox". :-)

    Thanks again for your help!

    Dave

    I hope that this helps a little. We've run out of what I think
    I can determine (or guess) from the photos and what I know of old tube electronics.

    Good Luck,
    DoN.

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  • From Excelsior960@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 14:57:17 2019
    hello lapst,
    hello DoN

    the lesman organ accordion was a very short lived
    boat anchor of a solo polyphony transistorized
    attempt to rapidly compete in the new and hot
    category created by the Cordovox

    the accompanying boat anchor of an Amp also
    supplied power to the very basic organ tone generating
    circuit board in the accordion itself

    as far as re-wiring the old amp, just test the
    connection wires you can find for ground and voltage

    dont use the one with positive voltage (lol)

    use the one that has no voltage but makes the amp HUM
    when you grab it with bare fingers

    PS: their stuff was incredibly noisy and cheap,
    and while your project will be fun, it will likely not be
    actually useful beyond crude, rude, maybe loud,
    and thundering spring reverb kick the amp FX

    ciao

    Ventura

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  • From DoN. Nichols@21:1/5 to excelsior960@gmail.com on Sat Aug 10 02:31:36 2019
    On 2019-08-09, Excelsior960 <excelsior960@gmail.com> wrote:
    hello lapst,
    hello DoN

    the lesman organ accordion was a very short lived
    boat anchor of a solo polyphony transistorized
    attempt to rapidly compete in the new and hot
    category created by the Cordovox

    the accompanying boat anchor of an Amp also
    supplied power to the very basic organ tone generating
    circuit board in the accordion itself

    as far as re-wiring the old amp, just test the
    connection wires you can find for ground and voltage

    dont use the one with positive voltage (lol)

    use the one that has no voltage but makes the amp HUM
    when you grab it with bare fingers

    And don't use one which makes *you* hum when you touch it. :-)

    O.K. I forget who actually asked about it. Apparently "lapst".
    I was trying to guess reasonable things to do with it -- assuming that
    it was worth while.

    PS: their stuff was incredibly noisy and cheap,
    and while your project will be fun, it will likely not be
    actually useful beyond crude, rude, maybe loud,
    and thundering spring reverb kick the amp FX

    Well ... we'll see whether the original poster wants to go ahead
    with it or not.

    ciao

    Ventura

    Thanks (& squeeze on),
    DoN.

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  • From Excelsior960@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 10 19:19:01 2019
    DoN

    can you hum a few bars ?

    nice to see you still around and posting

    i hope all is well with you and yours

    ciao

    Ventura

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  • From DoN. Nichols@21:1/5 to excelsior960@gmail.com on Mon Aug 12 02:00:05 2019
    On 2019-08-11, Excelsior960 <excelsior960@gmail.com> wrote:
    DoN

    can you hum a few bars ?

    Only with 60 Hz applied to my fingertips. :-)

    nice to see you still around and posting

    Still around -- as are you, apparently -- good to se.

    i hope all is well with you and yours

    Well enough, at least. And you?

    Squeeze On,
    DoN.

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