Hello all.
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to CAGED?
All the stuff I've found so far has been over my head.
I have a hunger for theory.
Cheers.
On 4/5/2021 7:47 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Hello all.I can't say I've never seen a discussion of the CAGED system in the
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to
CAGED?
All the stuff I've found so far has been over my head.
I have a hunger for theory.
Cheers.
context of classical guitar--AFAIK it's just a way to internalize scales based on chord shapes. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you learn
scales, but I don't know that it has any real benefits with regards to learning theory.
El Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:21:45 -0400, Steven Bornfeld escribió:
On 4/5/2021 7:47 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Hello all.I can't say I've never seen a discussion of the CAGED system in the context of classical guitar--AFAIK it's just a way to internalize scales based on chord shapes. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you learn scales, but I don't know that it has any real benefits with regards to learning theory.
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to
CAGED?
All the stuff I've found so far has been over my head.
I have a hunger for theory.
Cheers.
It's a system that I believe that most people take for granted. Like
magic. If I can understand *why* it works, it'll help me to get my head around the fretboard.
--I agree with Steven, never seen a discussion on the system for classical guitar. Just read a little thing about it and that seems to be about the pattern on the neck for major chords only and doesn't take minor or extensions into account, let alone
Paul.
https://paulc.es/elpatio
El Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:21:45 -0400, Steven Bornfeld escribió:
On 4/5/2021 7:47 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Hello all.I can't say I've never seen a discussion of the CAGED system in the
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to
CAGED?
All the stuff I've found so far has been over my head.
I have a hunger for theory.
Cheers.
context of classical guitar--AFAIK it's just a way to internalize scales
based on chord shapes. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you learn
scales, but I don't know that it has any real benefits with regards to
learning theory.
It's a system that I believe that most people take for granted. Like
magic. If I can understand *why* it works, it'll help me to get my head around the fretboard.
On 4/6/2021 12:26 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:21:45 -0400, Steven Bornfeld escribió:
On 4/5/2021 7:47 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Hello all.I can't say I've never seen a discussion of the CAGED system in the
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to
CAGED?
All the stuff I've found so far has been over my head.
I have a hunger for theory.
Cheers.
context of classical guitar--AFAIK it's just a way to internalize scales >>> based on chord shapes. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you learn
scales, but I don't know that it has any real benefits with regards to
learning theory.
It's a system that I believe that most people take for granted. Like
magic. If I can understand *why* it works, it'll help me to get my head
around the fretboard.
Getting your head around the fretboard sounds very dangerous.
More seriously, when I started learning to play the guitar 70 years ago,
it was almost always called the "fingerboard." these days, it seems that almost everyone calls it the "fretboard." What do those of you here call
it? When did it change? Why did it change? Who started the change?
On 4/6/2021 12:26 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:21:45 -0400, Steven Bornfeld escribió:
On 4/5/2021 7:47 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:It's a system that I believe that most people take for granted. Like
Hello all.I can't say I've never seen a discussion of the CAGED system in the
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to
CAGED?
All the stuff I've found so far has been over my head.
I have a hunger for theory.
Cheers.
context of classical guitar--AFAIK it's just a way to internalize
scales based on chord shapes. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you
learn scales, but I don't know that it has any real benefits with
regards to learning theory.
magic. If I can understand *why* it works, it'll help me to get my head
around the fretboard.
Getting your head around the fretboard sounds very dangerous.
More seriously, when I started learning to play the guitar 70 years ago,
it was almost always called the "fingerboard." these days, it seems that almost everyone calls it the "fretboard." What do those of you here call
it? When did it change? Why did it change? Who started the change?
On 4/6/2021 12:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 4/6/2021 12:26 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:21:45 -0400, Steven Bornfeld escribió:
On 4/5/2021 7:47 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Hello all.I can't say I've never seen a discussion of the CAGED system in the
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to
CAGED?
All the stuff I've found so far has been over my head.
I have a hunger for theory.
Cheers.
context of classical guitar--AFAIK it's just a way to internalize scales >>>> based on chord shapes. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you learn >>>> scales, but I don't know that it has any real benefits with regards to >>>> learning theory.
It's a system that I believe that most people take for granted. Like
magic. If I can understand *why* it works, it'll help me to get my head
around the fretboard.
Getting your head around the fretboard sounds very dangerous.
More seriously, when I started learning to play the guitar 70 years ago,
it was almost always called the "fingerboard." these days, it seems that
almost everyone calls it the "fretboard." What do those of you here call
it? When did it change? Why did it change? Who started the change?
Hell, I've heard people heatedly argue if the frets are the wire or the
space between the wires.
I wonder if gamba players can argue about such arcanae.
There's no question about it. The frets are the wires. However the term
is also loosely used for the space just behind the wires for statements
like "play the A by putting your finger on the third string, second fret."
I wonder if gamba players can argue about such arcanae.
It's the same, as far as I know. The only difference is that the frets
aren't wires, but tied-on nylon strings.
On 4/6/2021 3:51 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
There's no question about it. The frets are the wires. However the term
is also loosely used for the space just behind the wires for statements
like "play the A by putting your finger on the third string, second fret."
You know that; and I know that; but some sources (like Wikipedia) seem a
bit confused:
"A fret is a space between two fretbars on the neck of a stringed
instrument. Frets usually extend across the full width of the neck. On
most modern western fretted instruments, frets are the spaces between
the metal strips (fretbars) that are inserted into the fingerboard. On
some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are made
of pieces of string tied around the neck. "
I've never heard of having a guitar "re-fret-barred". This is a
decidedly weird usage (and meaningless, so long as we know what we're
talking about). In the very next sentence, Wiki sez:
"On some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are
made of pieces of string tied around the neck."
You know that; and I know that; but some sources (like Wikipedia) seem a
bit confused:
"A fret is a space between two fretbars on the neck of a stringed
instrument. Frets usually extend across the full width of the neck. On
most modern western fretted instruments, frets are the spaces between
the metal strips (fretbars) that are inserted into the fingerboard. On
some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are made
of pieces of string tied around the neck. "
I've never heard of having a guitar "re-fret-barred". This is a
decidedly weird usage (and meaningless, so long as we know what we're
talking about). In the very next sentence, Wiki sez:
"On some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are
made of pieces of string tied around the neck."
I'm too lazy to edit the entry.
El Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:50:15 -0400, Steven Bornfeld escribió:
You know that; and I know that; but some sources (like Wikipedia) seem a
bit confused:
"A fret is a space between two fretbars on the neck of a stringed
instrument. Frets usually extend across the full width of the neck. On
most modern western fretted instruments, frets are the spaces between
the metal strips (fretbars) that are inserted into the fingerboard. On
some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are made
of pieces of string tied around the neck. "
I've never heard of having a guitar "re-fret-barred". This is a
decidedly weird usage (and meaningless, so long as we know what we're
talking about). In the very next sentence, Wiki sez:
"On some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are
made of pieces of string tied around the neck."
I'm too lazy to edit the entry.
The last time I edited a wiki article it got changed back straight away.
It was a false friend translation.
They had translated "laguna" in Spanish to "lagoon" in English (this particular laguna is an isolated inland saltwater lake at 440 mts).
A lagoon in Spanish is a "laguna costera" because "laguna" is generic.
On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
On 4/6/2021 3:51 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
There's no question about it. The frets are the wires. However the
term is also loosely used for the space just behind the wires for
statements like "play the A by putting your finger on the third
string, second fret."
You know that; and I know that; but some sources (like Wikipedia) seem a
bit confused:
"A fret is a space between two fretbars on the neck of a stringed
instrument. Frets usually extend across the full width of the neck. On
most modern western fretted instruments, frets are the spaces between
the metal strips (fretbars) that are inserted into the fingerboard. On
some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are made
of pieces of string tied around the neck. "
A lot more than a "bit" confused, since they are completely wrong and contradict themselves when they say...
I've never heard of having a guitar "re-fret-barred". This is a
decidedly weird usage (and meaningless, so long as we know what we're
talking about). In the very next sentence, Wiki sez:
"On some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are
made of pieces of string tied around the neck."
"...frets are made of pieces of string."
I've never seen or heard the term "fretbars."
On 4/7/2021 3:15 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 06 Apr 2021 17:50:15 -0400, Steven Bornfeld escribió:
You know that; and I know that; but some sources (like Wikipedia) seem
a bit confused:
"A fret is a space between two fretbars on the neck of a stringed
instrument. Frets usually extend across the full width of the neck. On
most modern western fretted instruments, frets are the spaces between
the metal strips (fretbars) that are inserted into the fingerboard. On
some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are
made of pieces of string tied around the neck. "
I've never heard of having a guitar "re-fret-barred". This is a
decidedly weird usage (and meaningless, so long as we know what we're
talking about). In the very next sentence, Wiki sez:
"On some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets
are made of pieces of string tied around the neck."
I'm too lazy to edit the entry.
The last time I edited a wiki article it got changed back straight
away.
It was a false friend translation.
They had translated "laguna" in Spanish to "lagoon" in English (this
particular laguna is an isolated inland saltwater lake at 440 mts).
A lagoon in Spanish is a "laguna costera" because "laguna" is generic.
I assume the same latin root as "lacunae" in biology, like the little
spaces in bone in which the bone cells (osteocytes) lie.
On 4/6/2021 7:18 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
On 4/6/2021 3:51 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
There's no question about it. The frets are the wires. However the
term is also loosely used for the space just behind the wires for
statements like "play the A by putting your finger on the third
string, second fret."
You know that; and I know that; but some sources (like Wikipedia) seem a >>> bit confused:
"A fret is a space between two fretbars on the neck of a stringed
instrument. Frets usually extend across the full width of the neck. On
most modern western fretted instruments, frets are the spaces between
the metal strips (fretbars) that are inserted into the fingerboard. On
some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are made >>> of pieces of string tied around the neck. "
A lot more than a "bit" confused, since they are completely wrong and
contradict themselves when they say...
I've never heard of having a guitar "re-fret-barred". This is a
decidedly weird usage (and meaningless, so long as we know what we're
talking about). In the very next sentence, Wiki sez:
"On some historical instruments and non-European instruments, frets are
made of pieces of string tied around the neck."
"...frets are made of pieces of string."
I've never seen or heard the term "fretbars."
I have my doubts that frets are actually made of string. I thought traditionally frets were gut (though I assume that since nylon has
mostly replaced gut for strings, the same is likely true for frets).
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to CAGED?
On 2021-04-05 11:47:43 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
Can anyone please point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to
CAGED?
It's a way of separating the neck into separate horizontal positions.
The positions approximate the general environment of the "open" chords
C, A, G, E and D. Most pop and folk musicians make use of these to gain
a full understanding of the topography of the neck, whether they use the acronym CAGED or not.
I found after studying the William Leavitt's "Modern Method for Guitar" published at Berklee that I need to additional positions together to
have a full understanding of the neck.
Here they are including what I call E Long and A Long. Works for me.
https://tinyurl.com/3538k366
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