I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
El Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:14:39 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
Googling gives nothing, but "La Rose" with an e gives this amongst others:
https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/ruben-wan-rose-sophie-giuliani-verison- tab-s455562t0
Or "Le Rose"
https://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=37429
Doesn't the sheet music have fingerings etc?
Who needs tab?
It's a beautiful piece--one of my favorites. It's not easy to play, but
with the help of my teacher I'm getting better at it.
Me, unfortunately. My ability to sight-read music is pretty much limited
to low positions and high notes only on the first string. That means I
can sight-read some of it, but not all. I'm getting better at it, but
I'm still not good enough to sight-read this, unless I play extremely
slowly.
I've made my own tab of it, working with the Edson Lopes fingerings on
the sheet music, but it's sloppy and a good printed copy would be much
better for me.
I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
El Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:39:19 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
It's a beautiful piece--one of my favorites. It's not easy to play, but
with the help of my teacher I'm getting better at it.
Heh. I wish I had a teacher. Here, it's flamenco or nothing.
El Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:39:19 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
Me, unfortunately. My ability to sight-read music is pretty much limited
to low positions and high notes only on the first string. That means I
can sight-read some of it, but not all. I'm getting better at it, but
I'm still not good enough to sight-read this, unless I play extremely
slowly.
I've made my own tab of it, working with the Edson Lopes fingerings on
the sheet music, but it's sloppy and a good printed copy would be much
better for me.
Have you seen this?
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/tablature
Looks like it could be what you need.
"Create a new tablature staff
If you wish to create tablature as part of a new score, use the New Score Wizard. If you want to add tablature to an existing score, use the Instruments dialog. Or, alternatively, you can convert an existing
standard staff. See below for details."
HTH.
I don't actually use tab, but I'm thinking of having a play with this.
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
On 10/23/2021 5:14 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
From the "Morceaux Caracteristiques? I found the instruction by
Bridget Mermikides to be very helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKfwq9e0ggs
Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
the tab.
For now back to Familia Latina.
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
produce the tab.
Here's a simple tune with auto tab:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKef8AIUi-J6s4aLNCkZC4K6mtYsqe-G/view? usp=sharing
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
So it is spelled with an e.
That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.
I may have a way to go yet...
PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
wacking a wall with a shoe.
I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€. Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.
I'll let you know how I get on.
For now back to Familia Latina.
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
the tab.
Here's a simple tune with auto tab:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKef8AIUi-J6s4aLNCkZC4K6mtYsqe-G/view? usp=sharing
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
the tab.
On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been recently
updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
the tab.
OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.
On 10/26/2021 2:59 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
So it is spelled with an e.
It's often seen spelled both ways.
That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.
LOL. Yes.
I may have a way to go yet...
PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper >> guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I
don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
wacking a wall with a shoe.
I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€. >> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.
I had been playing a Yamaha G255SII, which I think sells for around $800 (USD). It was pretty good for a guitar in that price range, but a year
ago I splurged and bought a Yulong Guo Chamber Concert Double-Top
Classical Guitar for just under $4,000 (https://goyetteguitarcenter.com/product/yulong-guo-chamber-concert-double-top-classical-guitar).
It's still a long way from professional concert quality, but it's much
better and I like it a lot.
I'll let you know how I get on.
For now back to Familia Latina.
On 10/25/2021 8:41 AM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
On 10/23/2021 5:14 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
From the "Morceaux Caracteristiques? I found the instruction by
Bridget Mermikides to be very helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKfwq9e0ggs
Thanks. I looked at this a while back, but I don't remember it well.
I'll try it again tomorrow.
On 10/26/2021 10:54 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been recently >>> updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce >>> the tab.
OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.
I just did. It took about fifteen minutes to do the first measure, and
that was made more complicated by its accidental.
I worked on the first chord in the second measure, couldn't get it right
and so I then gave up.
This is much too difficult.
On 10/26/2021 1:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/26/2021 2:59 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
So it is spelled with an e.
It's often seen spelled both ways.
That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.
LOL. Yes.
I may have a way to go yet...
PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper >>> guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I >>> don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
wacking a wall with a shoe.
I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€. >>> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration. >>> I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.
I had been playing a Yamaha G255SII, which I think sells for around $800
(USD). It was pretty good for a guitar in that price range, but a year
ago I splurged and bought a Yulong Guo Chamber Concert Double-Top
Classical Guitar for just under $4,000
(https://goyetteguitarcenter.com/product/yulong-guo-chamber-concert-double-top-classical-guitar).
It's still a long way from professional concert quality, but it's much
better and I like it a lot.
IDK how well-regarded Chinese luthiers are;
it seems it hasn't been long
since they were making knockoffs of other designs for not much money.
This looks of a different order entirely.
In the discussion video, did he say it was a double-laminated back?
They don't mention what the back and sides are made of--or I just missed that.
On 10/26/2021 1:34 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
On 10/26/2021 1:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/26/2021 2:59 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico) >>>>> playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
So it is spelled with an e.
It's often seen spelled both ways.
That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.
LOL. Yes.
I may have a way to go yet...
PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper >>>> guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I >>>> don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
wacking a wall with a shoe.
I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€. >>>> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration. >>>> I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.
I had been playing a Yamaha G255SII, which I think sells for around $800 >>> (USD). It was pretty good for a guitar in that price range, but a year
ago I splurged and bought a Yulong Guo Chamber Concert Double-Top
Classical Guitar for just under $4,000
(https://goyetteguitarcenter.com/product/yulong-guo-chamber-concert-double-top-classical-guitar).
It's still a long way from professional concert quality, but it's much
better and I like it a lot.
IDK how well-regarded Chinese luthiers are;
IDK either, but I doubt very much that any of them are up there with the
top European ones.
But mine was a lot less expensive than any of the top ones. As I said,
it's "a long way from professional concert quality," but I'm not and
never will be a professional. I think it was a good moderately priced
choice for me and I'm very happy with it.
it seems it hasn't been long
since they were making knockoffs of other designs for not much money.
This looks of a different order entirely.
In the discussion video, did he say it was a double-laminated back?
They don't mention what the back and sides are made of--or I just missed
that.
Rosewood. And I chose a cedar double-top.
Sorry, I should mentioned that it's Indian rosewood, not Brazilian.
On 10/26/2021 10:54 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report
back with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
produce the tab.
OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.
I just did. It took about fifteen minutes to do the first measure, and
that was made more complicated by its accidental.
I worked on the first chord in the second measure, couldn't get it right
and so I then gave up.
This is much too difficult.
On 10/26/2021 6:48 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report
back with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
produce the tab.
Here's a simple tune with auto tab:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKef8AIUi-J6s4aLNCkZC4K6mtYsqe-G/view?
usp=sharing
Does it do the tabbing automatically, rather than letting you decide
which string to play each note on? If so, that's probably what I didn't
like about it.
On 10/26/2021 6:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Sorry, I should mentioned that it's Indian rosewood, not Brazilian.
Not that I travel with my guitar,
but I have no idea what kind of
documentation you need these days not to run afoul of CITES regulations. There may be a few makers that have stock of Brazilian, but I assume
it's pretty much history for guitar making--and I don't even know if
Indian rosewood is safe to transport without papers.
The guitar I play most is a 1960s Martin 00-16,
so I'm not exactly
playing a concert instrument either. Maybe I'll sploige someday.
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:01:21 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/26/2021 10:54 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would >>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, >>>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report >>>>> back with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
produce the tab.
OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.
I just did. It took about fifteen minutes to do the first measure, and
that was made more complicated by its accidental.
I worked on the first chord in the second measure, couldn't get it right
and so I then gave up.
This is much too difficult.
I really don't know what route you're taking but I found it very easy (if
not intuitive). And the tab can be tweaked VERY easily afterwards.
Send me a sample of what you tried it with and I'll see if I can help.
On 10/26/2021 6:54 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
On 10/26/2021 6:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Sorry, I should mentioned that it's Indian rosewood, not Brazilian.
Not that I travel with my guitar,
I never do.
but I have no idea what kind of
documentation you need these days not to run afoul of CITES regulations.
There may be a few makers that have stock of Brazilian, but I assume
it's pretty much history for guitar making--and I don't even know if
Indian rosewood is safe to transport without papers.
It's hard to imagine an official caring about or even knowing what wood
a guitar is made from.
The guitar I play most is a 1960s Martin 00-16,
Not exactly a classical guitar.
I still have my Martin D-35 (around 1978), my main guitar until I
started with classical guitar. I almost never even take it out of the
case these days.
so I'm not exactly
playing a concert instrument either. Maybe I'll sploige someday.
PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a
proper guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful
and I don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds
like wacking a wall with a shoe.
I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€. Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
I keep seeing guitars advertised for much more.
I'll let you know how I get on.
I don't know anything about stores in Spain, but in my experience here
in the US, a music store is almost always a poor place to shop for a classical guitar. Most of them have few to choose from and they are all usually of low quality.
You need to go somewhere that specializes in classical guitars and
that's often a shop where they are built, not a store.
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:59:13 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a
proper guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful
and I don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds
like wacking a wall with a shoe.
I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€. >> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
I keep seeing guitars advertised for much more.
I'll let you know how I get on.
Went to the shop. It's a typical town centre music shop selling a vast
range of low-end everything.
The assistant bloke wasn't interested in even talking to me.
Back to square one.
El Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:56:05 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
I don't know anything about stores in Spain, but in my experience here
in the US, a music store is almost always a poor place to shop for a
classical guitar. Most of them have few to choose from and they are all
usually of low quality.
You need to go somewhere that specializes in classical guitars and
that's often a shop where they are built, not a store.
Yes, I feel a trip to Granada coming on. There *has* to a place there.
And I did rather like using the trams when I was last there.
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend giving it a try?
On 10/29/2021 1:49 PM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report
back with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you
recommend giving it a try?
I'm happy to chime in here: I started using Musescore a few years ago
and I'm happy with it. It's continually getting better. I do agree that
in some ways it's not totally intuitive, and some guitar-oriented functionality isn't ideal, but overall my judgement is totally positive.
A few things that help: it is essential to get hooked into the forum(s)
so that you can ask questions or look up questions that others have
asked. Usually that can be done right on the web, and there is also now
a Facebook Musescore group where you can ask questions.
That's important because every time I have needed to do something
unusual, I have found out by asking a question that it was indeed
possible -- but I never would have figured it out myself (that's the non-intuitive aspect).
On 10/29/2021 1:49 PM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
giving it a try?
I'm happy to chime in here: I started using Musescore a few years ago
and I'm happy with it. It's continually getting better. I do agree that
in some ways it's not totally intuitive, and some guitar-oriented functionality isn't ideal, but overall my judgement is totally positive.
A few things that help: it is essential to get hooked into the forum(s)
so that you can ask questions or look up questions that others have
asked. Usually that can be done right on the web, and there is also now
a Facebook Musescore group where you can ask questions.
That's important because every time I have needed to do something
unusual, I have found out by asking a question that it was indeed
possible --
but I never would have figured it out myself (that's the
non-intuitive aspect).
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend giving it a try?
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things. Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
thing fails to work.
And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
what I want to do.
It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it might be a different story, but I don't.
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it might be a different story, but I don't.
Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:MuseScore-en.pdf
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:There’s this guide. https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would >>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, >>>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please
report back with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version
of the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you
recommend giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
Yes! In my opinion, it's *terrible* in that regard, and that's why I'm
giving up on it.
And I should also mention that I got a lot of help from Paul in e-mail messages, and I want to thank him for that again.
El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:29:33 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
<musescore non-intuitive>
Yes! In my opinion, it's *terrible* in that regard, and that's why I'm
giving up on it.
I think we all know the answer.
It's the same as LibreOffice vs MS Office
The Gimp vs Photoshop
Musescore vs Sibelius
OmegaT vs SDL Trados.
etc.
If I need something professional, I buy it.
I pay for Office 365.
I pay for Photoshop.
I pay for SDL TRados.
I don't need to produce sheet music, so I use the freebie.
El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 01:32:29 +0000, Matt Faunce escribió:
There’s this guide.MuseScore-en.pdf
https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/
That looks very comprehensive. I'm going to have a tour using the menus.
El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 08:14:51 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 01:32:29 +0000, Matt Faunce escribió:
<musescore manual>
There’s this guide.MuseScore-en.pdf
https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/
That looks very comprehensive. I'm going to have a tour using the
menus.
And the online hypertext version:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook
Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would >>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back >>>>> with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend >>> giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
There’s this guide. https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/MuseScore-en.pdf
El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:29:33 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
<musescore non-intuitive>
Yes! In my opinion, it's *terrible* in that regard, and that's why I'm
giving up on it.
I think we all know the answer.
It's the same as LibreOffice
vs MS Office
The Gimp vs Photoshop
Musescore vs Sibelius
OmegaT vs SDL Trados.
If I need something professional, I buy it.
I pay for Office 365.
I pay for Photoshop.
I pay for SDL TRados.
I don't need to produce sheet music, so I use the freebie.
El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:24:56 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
might be a different story, but I don't.
There we have it. I've neglected my Latin and guitar to mess with this program,
but I enjoy that sort of stuff (background in IT),
so I'm OK
with that.
Today I'm neglecting everything as it is my wedding anniversary.
I had Sibelius installed, but I hadn't tried it. Is it good? Better than MuseScore?
On 10/29/2021 6:32 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:
Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would >>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back >>>>>> with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of >>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend >>>> giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
There’s this guide.
https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/MuseScore-en.pdf
Thanks very much. I hadn't seen this before. No time now, but I'll at it later, and perhaps try it again.
On 10/30/2021 1:11 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Today I'm neglecting everything as it is my wedding anniversary.
Congratulations! What number? My 62nd anniversary was this past June.
El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:01:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
I had Sibelius installed, but I hadn't tried it. Is it good? Better than
MuseScore?
I haven't the faintest. It's very popular, I believe.
I just looked and there is a cut-down version available for free.
El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:01:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
I had Sibelius installed, but I hadn't tried it. Is it good? Better
than MuseScore?
I haven't the faintest. It's very popular, I believe.
I just looked and there is a cut-down version available for free.
On 10/29/2021 12:24 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would >>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back >>>>> with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend >>> giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
thing fails to work.
And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
what I want to do.
It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was
intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
might be a different story, but I don't.
And most important, I'll mention that I now have a lot of it memorized
and the rest of it nearly memorized. Bad as I am at memorizing, if I
keep working at it, I won't need anything like MuseScore.
On 10/29/2021 12:32 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/29/2021 12:24 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would >>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back >>>>>> with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of >>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend >>>> giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
thing fails to work.
And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
what I want to do.
It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was
intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it >>> might be a different story, but I don't.
And most important, I'll mention that I now have a lot of it memorized
and the rest of it nearly memorized. Bad as I am at memorizing, if I
keep working at it, I won't need anything like MuseScore.
Despite what I said above, I just downloaded a trial version of Guitar
Pro 7 and I'm trying it with Le Rose. I seem to like it better than
either MuseScore or Sibelius, and I now have the first 6 measures
done--more that I had with the others.
But perhaps it's easier for me because at least in some respects they
have the same interface and I'm used to what it is at least a little.
On 10/31/2021 1:28 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/29/2021 12:32 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/29/2021 12:24 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would >>>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so >>>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with >>>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back >>>>>>> with what you think of it.
It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
recently updated.
I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).
OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of >>>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend >>>>> giving it a try?
No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things. >>>> Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
thing fails to work.
And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
what I want to do.
It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was >>>> intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't. >>>> If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it >>>> might be a different story, but I don't.
And most important, I'll mention that I now have a lot of it memorized
and the rest of it nearly memorized. Bad as I am at memorizing, if I
keep working at it, I won't need anything like MuseScore.
Despite what I said above, I just downloaded a trial version of Guitar
Pro 7 and I'm trying it with Le Rose. I seem to like it better than
either MuseScore or Sibelius, and I now have the first 6 measures
done--more that I had with the others.
But perhaps it's easier for me because at least in some respects they
have the same interface and I'm used to what it is at least a little.
Easier and perhaps better to me than either of the other two, but still difficult. It keeps making errors (or perhaps it's me making the errors because I don't know enough about how to do it), and I can't correct them.
As with the others, if I had the time to study how to use and practice sufficiently, it might be great. But I don't, so I won't. I give up again.
Ten to fifteen years ago there was talk of the development of a notation program that would be able to scan and read your penciled notation then output a nice computerized version. What happened with that?
On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:45:46 PM UTC-7, matt wrote:
Ten to fifteen years ago there was talk of the development of a notation
program that would be able to scan and read your penciled notation then
output a nice computerized version. What happened with that?
There are several such programs. See:
https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/a-review-of-optical-music-recognition-software/
for a comparison.
John R.
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