"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for about two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."
From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for about two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."
From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.Was he a founding member of Short Attention Span Theater?
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:08:24 PM UTC+2, Ted Haskell wrote:
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for aboutWas he a founding member of Short Attention Span Theater?
two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."
From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.
Well, a cat can look at a king as my wife says. Do you know who he is? Have you listened to him? He has the experience and musical sensitivity
to know what he is talking about.
I think that the audience at the premiere of Le Sacre weren’t hearing a story. They probably got agitated about two minutes in. I wonder how long
it took for the rioting to start.
When I was a sophomore in music school I took extra care in learning to
hear music from the perspective of what was expected in the different time periods. I asked myself, “what’s wrong with parallel fifths and octaves?”;
“What’s wrong with a voice making two successive leaps in the same direction?”; “Is the melodic tritone always evil?”; “Where’s the surprise
in Haydn’s Surprise Symphony?” I think I came to understand the answers fairly well considering my not living in their time.
Three years ago, or so, I went to a “contemporary classical” concert put on
by students or young graduates, at a local museum. I was agitated by the lack of the music telling a story. It was all “static music” like Lontano
by Ligeti. If it weren’t free I would have liked to riot. So I asked myself
if I’m just listening from the perspective of a foreign time period. I don’t know the answer to this question, but I think about it.
I think the trend of “static music” started with Beethoven stretching out
the arch—“flattening the curve”—with that long and slow section of his
Hammerklavier sonata. Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
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Matt
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:08:24 PM UTC+2, Ted Haskell wrote:
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for aboutWas he a founding member of Short Attention Span Theater?
two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."
From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.
Well, a cat can look at a king as my wife says. Do you know who he is?
Have you listened to him? He has the experience and musical sensitivity
to know what he is talking about.
tom g wrote:
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:53:20 PM UTC+2, matt
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:08:24 PM UTC+2, Ted Haskell wrote:I think that the audience at the premiere of Le Sacre weren’t hearing a >> story. They probably got agitated about two minutes in. I wonder how long >> it took for the rioting to start.
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for about >>>>> two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."Was he a founding member of Short Attention Span Theater?
From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.
Well, a cat can look at a king as my wife says. Do you know who he is? >>> Have you listened to him? He has the experience and musical sensitivity >>> to know what he is talking about.
When I was a sophomore in music school I took extra care in learning to >> hear music from the perspective of what was expected in the different time
periods. I asked myself, “what’s wrong with parallel fifths and octaves?”;
“What’s wrong with a voice making two successive leaps in the same
direction?”; “Is the melodic tritone always evil?”; “Where’s the surprise
in Haydn’s Surprise Symphony?” I think I came to understand the answers
fairly well considering my not living in their time.
Three years ago, or so, I went to a “contemporary classical” concert put on
by students or young graduates, at a local museum. I was agitated by the >> lack of the music telling a story. It was all “static music” like Lontano
by Ligeti. If it weren’t free I would have liked to riot. So I asked myself
if I’m just listening from the perspective of a foreign time period. I >> don’t know the answer to this question, but I think about it.
I think the trend of “static music” started with Beethoven stretching out
the arch—“flattening the curve”—with that long and slow section of his
Hammerklavier sonata. Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown
indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t
surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with
DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie
apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
--
Matt
"I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t
surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with
DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie apocalypse... and the end of storytelling."
+1 (and +1 for the metaphor).
Nathan Gunn should know all about tone. He has one of the finest
baritones in the world but he is wise enough to know that it is not enough. As a professor, he has to pay attention to the end of a student's performance but he probably knows what to say within those first 2 minutes.
I’ll have to look for some of Gunn’s performances online.
I agree with him on the value of storytelling, broadly construed, but I do see that the perception of what storytelling is was broadened over the evolution of music. With Ligeti, I think, we reached the threshold of where the story became static-ness. I like his works, particularly Lontano, Atmosphères, and Apparitions, but I think they only have their place in a program surrounded by music that goes somewhere, i.e., music with a noticeable arch, i.e., that tells a story.
However, I think the original quote pertains mostly to interpretation than composition. So, I think he was mostly talking about bringing out the story that’s in the composition.
--
Matt
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:53:20 PM UTC+2, matt
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:08:24 PM UTC+2, Ted Haskell wrote:I think that the audience at the premiere of Le Sacre weren’t hearing a
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for about >>>>> two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."Was he a founding member of Short Attention Span Theater?
From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.
Well, a cat can look at a king as my wife says. Do you know who he is?
Have you listened to him? He has the experience and musical sensitivity
to know what he is talking about.
story. They probably got agitated about two minutes in. I wonder how long
it took for the rioting to start.
When I was a sophomore in music school I took extra care in learning to
hear music from the perspective of what was expected in the different time >> periods. I asked myself, “what’s wrong with parallel fifths and octaves?”;
“What’s wrong with a voice making two successive leaps in the same
direction?”; “Is the melodic tritone always evil?”; “Where’s the surprise
in Haydn’s Surprise Symphony?” I think I came to understand the answers >> fairly well considering my not living in their time.
Three years ago, or so, I went to a “contemporary classical” concert put on
by students or young graduates, at a local museum. I was agitated by the
lack of the music telling a story. It was all “static music” like Lontano
by Ligeti. If it weren’t free I would have liked to riot. So I asked myself
if I’m just listening from the perspective of a foreign time period. I
don’t know the answer to this question, but I think about it.
I think the trend of “static music” started with Beethoven stretching out
the arch—“flattening the curve”—with that long and slow section of his
Hammerklavier sonata. Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown >> indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t >> surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with >> DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie
apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
--
Matt
"I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t
surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie apocalypse... and the end of storytelling."
+1 (and +1 for the metaphor).
Nathan Gunn should know all about tone. He has one of the finest
baritones in the world but he is wise enough to know that it is not
enough. As a professor, he has to pay attention to the end of a student's performance but he probably knows what to say within those first 2 minutes.
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:08:24 PM UTC+2, Ted Haskell wrote:
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for about two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."
Well, a cat can look at a king as my wife says. Do you know who he is? Have you listened to him? He has the experience and musical sensitivity to know what he is talking about.From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.Was he a founding member of Short Attention Span Theater?
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 10:42:44 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:many singers' world there is literal story telling. But "two minutes" just sounds jaded and dismissive. A musician's sound is critical--it's the foundation upon which all the rest--including storytelling--is built. Of course it's not sufficient by itself.
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 7:08:24 PM UTC+2, Ted Haskell wrote:
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, tom g wrote:
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for about two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."
A statement stands on it merits regardless of who says it. I was responding to the "two minutes" bit rather than the overall sentiment, which just tickled my funny bone a bit. It's obvious there's more to making great music than a good sound, and inWell, a cat can look at a king as my wife says. Do you know who he is? Have you listened to him? He has the experience and musical sensitivity to know what he is talking about.From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.Was he a founding member of Short Attention Span Theater?
Many statements made in the context of a masterclass are likely to strike me differently when taken by themselves. I had the luck in the '80s to do some accompaniment in vocal workshop classes led by Marni Nixon. She often talked to her students about "selling a song." In the context of the class it worked well, because there were specifics associated with the phrase, and she was a superb teacher. I might have reacted similarly to a quote from one of those classes. I'd never tell someone to "sell a
"In my experience you can be impressed by a person's sound for about two minutes and then mostly you want to hear a story."
From a masterclass with the great American baritone, Nathan Gunn.
Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown
indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:
Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown
indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t >> surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with >> DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie
apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
Amazon thinks this is funny. Scroll down and read paragraph 42.10 in their terms of service.
https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/
On 9/2/2021 4:41 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:
Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:That's great -- how the heck did you ever see that needle in the haystack?
Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown
indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t
surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with >>> DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie
apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
Amazon thinks this is funny. Scroll down and read paragraph 42.10 in their >> terms of service.
https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/
JMF <favaro.john@tiscali.it> wrote:
On 9/2/2021 4:41 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:
Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:That's great -- how the heck did you ever see that needle in the haystack? >>
Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown
indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t
surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with
DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie
apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
Amazon thinks this is funny. Scroll down and read paragraph 42.10 in their >>> terms of service.
https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/
Someone I’ve been recently following, or eh tuning in to, on Twitter reposted someone’s Tic Tok video about it. Here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Alpha_Mind7/status/1433126515068317701
If you don’t have a Twitter account—I don’t, so I know—you can go to this
URL and scroll down. https://mobile.twitter.com/alpha_mind7/with_replies
BTW, I’m wary of prolific posters like this account. Even if most of the information is good, I think the overall sway of the posts might be deliberately designed to inject an attitude into its followers that makes them contemptuous of people from the opposite camp who are probably
following prolific posters (or a team of less prolific posters) who want
them to hate their opposites. It smells like it might be one side of a
divide and conquer tactic. I only recently started following this Twitter user, but I’ve more clearly seen this tactic elsewhere.
Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:
JMF <favaro.john@tiscali.it> wrote:
On 9/2/2021 4:41 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:
Matt Faunce <mattfaunce@gmail.com> wrote:That's great -- how the heck did you ever see that needle in the haystack? >>>
Then later composers decided to prolong the lockdown
indefinitely. I haven’t been following the latest trends but it wouldn’t
surprise me if most composers are attempting to inject their audiences with
DNA-changing, graphene-infused music which will lead to a zombie
apocalypse... and the end of storytelling.
Amazon thinks this is funny. Scroll down and read paragraph 42.10 in their >>>> terms of service.
https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/
Someone I’ve been recently following, or eh tuning in to, on Twitter
reposted someone’s Tic Tok video about it. Here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Alpha_Mind7/status/1433126515068317701
If you don’t have a Twitter account—I don’t, so I know—you can go to this
URL and scroll down. https://mobile.twitter.com/alpha_mind7/with_replies
BTW, I’m wary of prolific posters like this account. Even if most of the >> information is good, I think the overall sway of the posts might be
deliberately designed to inject an attitude into its followers that makes
them contemptuous of people from the opposite camp who are probably
following prolific posters (or a team of less prolific posters) who want
them to hate their opposites. It smells like it might be one side of a
divide and conquer tactic. I only recently started following this Twitter
user, but I’ve more clearly seen this tactic elsewhere.
Type antifa.com into your web browser, and hit ‘search’ or ‘go’. Please
explain to me why you see what you see.
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