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    From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 1 10:07:07 2022
    Leslie Fish's "Susan B" is a song about a vigilante murder gang. Revenge fantasy songs are an accepted category in filk, but I hope that people
    will recognize that no one should actually join one.

    I mention this because someone at a recent filksing considered my saying
    so inappropriate.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Lee Gold XP@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Sat Jan 1 07:21:51 2022
    On 1/1/2022 7:07 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
    Leslie Fish's "Susan B" is a song about a vigilante murder gang. Revenge fantasy songs are an accepted category in filk, but I hope that people
    will recognize that no one should actually join one.

    I mention this because someone at a recent filksing considered my saying
    so inappropriate.


    I think that Not Joining a Vigilante Murder Gang
    sounds like a good New Year's Resolution.
    For one thing it'll be very easy to keep.

    --Lee

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  • From John Davis@21:1/5 to Lee Gold XP on Sun Jan 2 07:40:14 2022
    On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-5, Lee Gold XP wrote:
    On 1/1/2022 7:07 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
    Leslie Fish's "Susan B" is a song about a vigilante murder gang. Revenge fantasy songs are an accepted category in filk, but I hope that people
    will recognize that no one should actually join one.

    I mention this because someone at a recent filksing considered my saying
    so inappropriate.

    I think that Not Joining a Vigilante Murder Gang
    sounds like a good New Year's Resolution.
    For one thing it'll be very easy to keep.

    --Lee


    I have to admit I still like the last verse.

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  • From Paul Rubin@21:1/5 to Lee Gold XP on Sun Jan 2 13:15:25 2022
    Lee Gold XP <lee.gold@ca.rr.com> writes:
    I think that Not Joining a Vigilante Murder Gang
    sounds like a good New Year's Resolution.
    For one thing it'll be very easy to keep.

    ttto Never Set The Cat On Fire

    Don't join a vigilante gang,
    although you might be tempted.
    You'll find it tends to boomerang,
    And no one is exempted.
    Though hucksters fill your mail with spam,
    To kill them is a waste of am-
    mo. Skip the vigilante gang!

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Rubin on Sun Jan 2 19:38:17 2022
    On 1/2/22 4:15 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
    Lee Gold XP <lee.gold@ca.rr.com> writes:
    I think that Not Joining a Vigilante Murder Gang
    sounds like a good New Year's Resolution.
    For one thing it'll be very easy to keep.

    ttto Never Set The Cat On Fire

    With revenge songs, a lot depends on the singer and the context. I love
    hearing Alexa sing "Damien's Gone" because it's impossible to imagine
    her doing the things in the song.


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Arthur T.@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Mon Jan 3 22:32:45 2022
    In Message-ID:<sqpqms$fk3$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    Leslie Fish's "Susan B" is a song about a vigilante murder gang. Revenge >fantasy songs are an accepted category in filk, but I hope that people
    will recognize that no one should actually join one.

    I mention this because someone at a recent filksing considered my saying
    so inappropriate.

    Especially as January 6th approaches, it's hard for me to believe
    that intelligent people would espouse vigilantism. However, depending
    on the timing, the tone, or the exact wording you used, I can believe
    someone might object. Or, it might not be what, how, or when you said
    it so much as the objector's own problems.

    With some exceptions, vigilantism is much better in song and story
    than in real life.

    --
    Arthur T. - ar23hur "at" pobox "dot" com

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Arthur T. on Tue Jan 4 10:57:48 2022
    On 1/3/22 10:32 PM, Arthur T. wrote:
    Especially as January 6th approaches, it's hard for me to believe
    that intelligent people would espouse vigilantism. However, depending
    on the timing, the tone, or the exact wording you used, I can believe
    someone might object. Or, it might not be what, how, or when you said
    it so much as the objector's own problems.

    With some exceptions, vigilantism is much better in song and story
    than in real life.

    Songs have a way of making things sound attractive that people otherwise
    would stay away from. They're powerful that way.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Lee Gold XP@21:1/5 to Gary McGath on Tue Jan 4 10:28:09 2022
    On 1/4/2022 7:57 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
    Songs have a way of making things sound attractive that people otherwise would stay away from. They're powerful that way.

    "Susan B" presents a team with "a girl who looks like Hefner's date."

    I've read that a lot of rape victims fall prey not to
    strangers but to trusted family members and to old friends of the family,
    but of course rapists may alo be uniformed policemen, people who
    advertise themselves as Hollywood photographers, and so on.

    When I was sixteen, I had a driving school instructor run his hands
    higher and higher up my legs, saying he was doing it to see if I was
    pushing the gas pedal and brake pedal hard enough, until I started
    yammering about Sunday School and the Bible. That was my first
    and only lesson with him. I got my mother to switch me to another
    driving school. I don't know what he did with other, prettier students.

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  • From Joe Kesselman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 5 19:30:00 2022
    Reminds me of the discussion here -- decades ago -- about the fact that
    one should never assume the character is speaking for either the singer
    or the songwriter, and one should not take any song over-literally.

    Ad absurdam: Most of us don't actually want to drop an asteroid on NYC...

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Joe Kesselman on Thu Jan 6 08:32:49 2022
    On 1/5/22 7:30 PM, Joe Kesselman wrote:
    Reminds me of the discussion here -- decades ago -- about the fact that
    one should never assume the character is speaking for either the singer
    or the songwriter, and one should not take any song over-literally.

    Ad absurdam: Most of us don't actually want to drop an asteroid on NYC...


    Some students in New Hampshire created a villain song for the KKK as
    part of a class project. It somehow got public, making some people so
    upset that it still gets mentioned occasionally.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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