On 2021 May29, Gary McGath wrote
(in article <s8tbsp$g4e$1...@dont-email.me>):
Balticon uses the BSFS code of conduct
(https://www.bsfs.org/policy.htm). It prohibits "slurs and derogatory comments about a person, group, or category of people."
That means I wouldn't be allowed to sing the following songs which I've written (with the targets of the derogatory lyrics indicated in parentheses):
- The Man Who Ought to Be Spurned (Woodrow Wilson)I’ve never been to a worldcon. Various posts here and elsewhere are not exactly encouraging me to go anywhere near one, particularly the next one.
- Der Zuckerberg (Facebook)
- March of Damned Breath (people who endanger others in a pandemic)
- I Will Block You (Internet trolls and spammers)
- Rocket Men (Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un)
- Do You Hear the Filkers Sing (the Finnish Worldcon)
- Drink the Flint River (officials who covered up water pollution)
On 5/29/21 12:17 PM, Lee Gold XP wrote:
On 5/29/2021 5:25 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
Balticon uses the BSFS code of conductI don't think I've seen many of those.
(https://www.bsfs.org/policy.htm). It prohibits "slurs and derogatory
comments about a person, group, or category of people."
That means I wouldn't be allowed to sing the following songs which I've
written (with the targets of the derogatory lyrics indicated in
parentheses):
- The Man Who Ought to Be Spurned (Woodrow Wilson)
- Der Zuckerberg (Facebook)
- March of Damned Breath (people who endanger others in a pandemic)
- I Will Block You (Internet trolls and spammers)
- Rocket Men (Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un)
- Do You Hear the Filkers Sing (the Finnish Worldcon)
- Drink the Flint River (officials who covered up water pollution)
In fact, I may not have seen any of them.
Are they on your webste?
Der Zuckerberg: http://www.mcgath.com/songs/Zuckerberg.pdf
Do You Hear the Filkers Sing: http://www.mcgath.com/songs/DoYouHearTheFilkersSing.pdf
I'm fairly sure I posted "Rocket Men," "I Will Block You," and probably
some of the others to r.m.f.
In article <s8vmpq$qg9$1...@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
On 5/30/21 1:09 AM, Arthur T. wrote:
In Message-ID:<s8uter$kpr$1...@dont-email.me>,
Joe Kesselman <keshlam.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
Take the costs of con membership, hotel room, and transportation. AddIn this case, the costs are zero, since Balticon is being held online
the fuzzier cost of your time. You could be betting all of that
against someone at con interpreting the rules differently from the
way a specific person pre-con said they would be interpreted.
and not requiring a registration fee. In the more general case, you're >right.
I see in cons' speech codes a shadow of campus speech codes, which have
in fact been used to suppress views that those in charge didn't like.
RPI's security guards told students that they couldn't pass outNow, there's a little plaque (or was when I last stood at
literature criticizing the school on a _public sidewalk_ in front of the >school because of an alleged "eminent domain" claim on the sidewalk. The >school stood by the lie that it had acquired the public property
adjacent to its campus and that people needed its permission to speak >freely on it.
Bancroft and Telegraph) set into the sidewalk like two feet from
the curb at the entrance to UC Berkeley. It says "Property of
the Regents of the University of California. Permission to pass
over may be revoked at any time." Presumably the University does
own, and maintain, that sidewalk.
What I don't know is whether that plaque was in place *before*,
or some time *after,* the FSM demonstrations.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Balticon uses the BSFS code of conductLeslie is correct about the 1st amendment applying to Government but the Convention Committee is NOT government.
(https://www.bsfs.org/policy.htm). It prohibits "slurs and derogatory comments about a person, group, or category of people."
That means I wouldn't be allowed to sing the following songs which I've written (with the targets of the derogatory lyrics indicated in parentheses):
- The Man Who Ought to Be Spurned (Woodrow Wilson)
- Der Zuckerberg (Facebook)
- March of Damned Breath (people who endanger others in a pandemic)
- I Will Block You (Internet trolls and spammers)
- Rocket Men (Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un)
- Do You Hear the Filkers Sing (the Finnish Worldcon)
- Drink the Flint River (officials who covered up water pollution)
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
Several of those songs are not demeaning to any human for the people it demeans are not qalified to be called humans. They are not even qualified to be called animals. They are Deamons of the lowest levels of Hell.
In
Message-ID:<f1bc01b1-8271-453f-8045-d1d956a1f492n@googlegroups.com>,
John Davis <wa8yxm@gmail.com> wrote:
Several of those songs are not demeaning to any human for the people it demeans are not qalified to be called humans. They are not even qualified to be called animals. They are Deamons of the lowest levels of Hell.
Umm, no.
People may be execrable, but they continue to be human. Many
atrocities against various groups of people have been justified by
claiming that they're "not really human" or "not fully human".
Please don't start down that road. Instead, recognize that humanity
includes the people you're railing against. And, it includes the
people who dehumanize others. I would be glad if the people I know
(even if just online) were part of neither of those segments.
On 5/30/2021 10:28 AM, Arthur T. wrote:
In
Message-ID:<f1bc01b1-8271-453f-8045-d1d956a1f492n@googlegroups.com>,
John Davis <wa8yxm@gmail.com> wrote:
Several of those songs are not demeaning to any human for the people
it demeans are not qalified to be called humans. They are not even
qualified to be called animals. They are Deamons of the lowest
levels of Hell.
Umm, no.
People may be execrable, but they continue to be human. Many
atrocities against various groups of people have been justified by
claiming that they're "not really human" or "not fully human".
Please don't start down that road. Instead, recognize that humanity
includes the people you're railing against. And, it includes the
people who dehumanize others. I would be glad if the people I know
(even if just online) were part of neither of those segments.
Thank you.
I was about to comment something like that but
I'm not sure I would have said it that well.
--Lee Gold
InArthur according to many humans are a species of animal.
Message-ID:<f1bc01b1-8271-453f...@googlegroups.com>,
John Davis <wa8...@gmail.com> wrote:
Several of those songs are not demeaning to any human for the people it demeans are not qalified to be called humans. They are not even qualified to be called animals. They are Deamons of the lowest levels of Hell.Umm, no.
People may be execrable, but they continue to be human. Many
atrocities against various groups of people have been justified by
claiming that they're "not really human" or "not fully human".
Please don't start down that road. Instead, recognize that humanity
includes the people you're railing against. And, it includes the
people who dehumanize others. I would be glad if the people I know
(even if just online) were part of neither of those segments.
--
Arthur T. - ar23hur "at" pobox "dot" com
Arthur according to many humans are a species of animal.
Every OTHER animal cares for their own
Only Humans kill for sport, Kill for the sake of killing, Kill for reasons other than survival.
Thus if Humans are part of the animal kingdom. Only those who care about their fellow man are Truly Human.
Gary McGath <ga...@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
I see in cons' speech codes a shadow of campus speech codes, whichIt's unfortunate. Fandom has a long tradition of inclusiveness,
have in fact been used to suppress views that those in charge
didn't like.
in reaction to the 1939 Worldcon exclusion, which was soon widely
recognized as a serious mistake. This tradition was so strong
that the banning of a proven pedophile from the 1964 Worldcon
was very controversial. But apparently that inclusiveness is
a thing of the past now.
I'm "attending" Balticon. There didn't seem to be any censorship, self-censorship, or banning at the open filking. Some of the songs
were openly critical of various people and organizations.
In the con suite, I was helping several people find their way to the
Don Sakers memorial event. One woman, who has had an unexplained
grudge against me for years, publicly denounced me for "mansplaining."
At the memorial event, which I was also attending, she privately
falsely accused me of following her there, and ordered me to go away.
I pointed out to her that she could be banned for her behavior, as her criticism was related to my gender. I was tempted to report her, lest
she report me first, but I refrained.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
It's unfortunate. Fandom has a long tradition of inclusiveness,
in reaction to the 1939 Worldcon exclusion, which was soon widely
recognized as a serious mistake. This tradition was so strong that
the banning of a proven pedophile from the 1964 Worldcon was very
controversial. But apparently that inclusiveness is a thing of the
past now.
We are not that inclusive. White and male for the most part
especially in the written aspect. Filking has a better male female
balance. But still, white.
I'm "attending" Balticon. There didn't seem to be any censorship,
self-censorship, or banning at the open filking. Some of the songs
were openly critical of various people and organizations.
Without a date attached thats no surprise. Some of this discussion
has needed to happen for a very long time. It was remarks I heard
about BLM that set me on this journey.
In the con suite, I was helping several people find their way
to the Don Sakers memorial event. One woman, who has had an
unexplained grudge against me for years, publicly denounced me
for "mansplaining."
Mansplaining. So the Balticon was recent, in person.
Men have a hard time understanding mansplaining. Usually because
women have unexplained grudges against them. This happens when you
very kindly explain to a woman something she already knows. Usually
better than you do.
I\342\200\231m an ex-mormon. Life long. Having a male atheist
try and tell me about my religion, first 35 years ago when I still
believed, and then about 5 years ago after I figured out I grew up
in a cult was interesting.
Ok, paranoid women can be paranoid. I\342\200\231ve never met you.
I will say this, women are often killed by men. Not saying you are
a stalker or anything like that. Just saying that\342\200\231s a
reality we live with.
I pointed out to her that she could be banned for her behavior, as
her criticism was related to my gender. I was tempted to report
her, lest she report me first, but I refrained.
No, her criticism was aimed at you as an individual.
Two parallels before I finish. I was in a facebook conversation and
blind dates was the conversation. A man said, so whats the worst
that can happen. A wasted two hours? Another lady in the group
said I could get raped.
When we get pulled over by a policeman do we think, hands
on the dash, stay calm, I hope I don’t die? No we
don’t. For black men and indigenous men in the States
and Canada that is a very real potential end. And they are always
black, always.
No one is trying to stop you from singing, ....
Balticon uses the BSFS code of conduct
(https://www.bsfs.org/policy.htm). It prohibits "slurs and derogatory comments about a person, group, or category of people."
That means I wouldn't be allowed to sing the following songs which I've written (with the targets of the derogatory lyrics indicated in
parentheses):
- The Man Who Ought to Be Spurned (Woodrow Wilson)
- Der Zuckerberg (Facebook)
- March of Damned Breath (people who endanger others in a pandemic)
- I Will Block You (Internet trolls and spammers)
- Rocket Men (Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un)
- Do You Hear the Filkers Sing (the Finnish Worldcon)
- Drink the Flint River (officials who covered up water pollution)
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
In my recent novel (VALHALLA: Absent without Leave, available on
Barnes & Noble and Amazon) I cautioned readers that it was
based on Norse myths (though somewhat heretical), but NOT
on the Marvel version.
(My novel is narrated by Ratatosk.)
I'm fed up with those who see Nazis and fascists everywhere. And it's
not just idiots. Charlie Stross, who is one of my favorite authors,
mentions the "libertarian/neo-nazi nexus" in his latest blog post.
He's become almost a self-parody of a woker-than-thou person.
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