• Women that belong in the Rock and Roll Hall?

    From xpenenyx@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 11:28:21 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    There was letter in today's Detroit Free Press Feedback file. It
    seems that a certain Ken Zimmerman from Huntington Beach, CA is upset
    by the dearth of women in the Hall.. He then goes on to list a number
    of "notables" that he thinks should be in. Such notables as Barbra
    Streisand, Natalie Cole, Bette Midler, Joen Baez, Mary Travers, Patti
    Page and Petula Clark. lol Add Patsy Kline too.

    He complains about Carole King and Diana Ross who are already in. King
    as a songwriter and Ross as a Supreme. I can see a case for Ross but
    King?

    He and scarlotti should get together as he thinks Connie Francis
    belong there too. The rest of his list consists of Mary Wells, Whitney
    Houston, the Marvelettes, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, Dionne
    Warwick, the Carpenters (Karen) , Cher, Annie Lennox and the Pointer
    Sisters. Other than Houston and perhaps the Pointers
    would any of these merit serious consideration? Janet Jackson?
    Certainly not the Carpenters or Cher.

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  • From treg@iwvisp.com@21:1/5 to xpen...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 29 10:42:19 2016
    On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 8:28:16 AM UTC-7, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
    There was letter in today's Detroit Free Press Feedback file. It
    seems that a certain Ken Zimmerman from Huntington Beach, CA is upset
    by the dearth of women in the Hall.. He then goes on to list a number
    of "notables" that he thinks should be in. Such notables as Barbra
    Streisand, Natalie Cole, Bette Midler, Joen Baez, Mary Travers, Patti
    Page and Petula Clark. lol Add Patsy Kline too.

    He complains about Carole King and Diana Ross who are already in. King
    as a songwriter and Ross as a Supreme. I can see a case for Ross but
    King?

    He and scarlotti should get together as he thinks Connie Francis
    belong there too. The rest of his list consists of Mary Wells, Whitney Houston, the Marvelettes, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, Dionne
    Warwick, the Carpenters (Karen) , Cher, Annie Lennox and the Pointer
    Sisters. Other than Houston and perhaps the Pointers
    would any of these merit serious consideration? Janet Jackson?
    Certainly not the Carpenters or Cher.

    In short, the R&RHofF criteria is:

    "...those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll ...influence and significance of the artist's contribution to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

    IMO, a case could be made for Natalie Cole as an influence in that many later female vocalists sang similarly to "This Will Be."

    And without Whitney Houston there would probably not be a Mariah Carey (not sure that would have been a bad thing but).

    My personal choice would be FANNY. They appreciably moved 'chick rock" forward in the early '70's.

    Ray Arthur

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  • From poisoned rose@21:1/5 to treg@iwvisp.com on Fri Apr 29 11:57:43 2016
    "treg@iwvisp.com" <treg@iwvisp.com> wrote:

    Ken Zimmerman from Huntington Beach, CA

    Somehow this name rings a bell for me. He may be a long-time "letters to
    the editor" writer. Always has something to complain about.

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  • From poisoned rose@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 13:10:42 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    I'd estimate the only eligible female-ish acts I'm avid about who have a snowball's chance in hell of being inducted are:

    Tori Amos, Laurie Anderson, the Bangles, Kate Bush, Petula Clark,
    Cocteau Twins, Cowboy Junkies, Marianne Faithfull, P J Harvey, Hole,
    Rickie Lee Jones, My Bloody Valentine, Sinead O'Connor, Yoko Ono, the
    Pixies, 10000 Maniacs, Suzanne Vega, X and Yo La Tengo.

    And almost all of these names would be far, far, far down any overall
    list of contenders (I guess the Bangles have the best chance, and I
    don't even care for their most popular albums). So...I can't conjure up
    much personal enthusiasm for campaigning for more female inductees.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to xpenenyx@gmail.com on Sat Apr 30 00:35:43 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    <xpenenyx@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mss6ib91q72srk324uavtt6ue2sbf3n54m@4ax.com...
    There was letter in today's Detroit Free Press Feedback file. It
    seems that a certain Ken Zimmerman from Huntington Beach, CA is upset
    by the dearth of women in the Hall.. He then goes on to list a number
    of "notables" that he thinks should be in. Such notables as Barbra
    Streisand, Natalie Cole, Bette Midler, Joen Baez, Mary Travers, Patti
    Page and Petula Clark. lol Add Patsy Kline too.

    He complains about Carole King and Diana Ross who are already in. King
    as a songwriter and Ross as a Supreme. I can see a case for Ross but
    King?

    He and scarlotti should get together as he thinks Connie Francis
    belong there too. The rest of his list consists of Mary Wells, Whitney Houston, the Marvelettes, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, Dionne
    Warwick, the Carpenters (Karen) , Cher, Annie Lennox and the Pointer
    Sisters. Other than Houston and perhaps the Pointers
    would any of these merit serious consideration? Janet Jackson?
    Certainly not the Carpenters or Cher.
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    I think Whitney Houston's *mother* should be inducted (with the Sweet Inspirations). As "sidemen" if not for their work under their own name.

    And what's so strange about the idea of Cher being inducted? She had a lot
    of hits. I'm not a fan, but she did have a lot of hits....like at least 25
    of them.

    I don't know, it's difficult. I was very happy Linda Ronstadt was finally inducted, but unfortunately I think they only inducted her because of her illness.

    There are an awful lot of female pop stars nowadays, but I don't know
    whether they're actually "rock and roll" stars?

    Then again, Doug, if they inducted Miles Davis and Leonard Cohen, wouldn't
    you say anything goes? Why *not* Streisand? (I can't stand her singing
    voice, but I can't stand Miles Davis or Leonard Cohen either.)

    DianeE

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  • From xpenenyx@gmail.com@21:1/5 to TiredOfSpam@SorryFolks.com on Sat Apr 30 09:01:44 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:35:43 -0400, "DianeE"
    <TiredOfSpam@SorryFolks.com> wrote:


    <xpenenyx@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:mss6ib91q72srk324uavtt6ue2sbf3n54m@4ax.com...
    There was letter in today's Detroit Free Press Feedback file. It
    seems that a certain Ken Zimmerman from Huntington Beach, CA is upset
    by the dearth of women in the Hall.. He then goes on to list a number
    of "notables" that he thinks should be in. Such notables as Barbra
    Streisand, Natalie Cole, Bette Midler, Joen Baez, Mary Travers, Patti
    Page and Petula Clark. lol Add Patsy Kline too.

    He complains about Carole King and Diana Ross who are already in. King
    as a songwriter and Ross as a Supreme. I can see a case for Ross but
    King?

    He and scarlotti should get together as he thinks Connie Francis
    belong there too. The rest of his list consists of Mary Wells, Whitney
    Houston, the Marvelettes, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, Dionne
    Warwick, the Carpenters (Karen) , Cher, Annie Lennox and the Pointer
    Sisters. Other than Houston and perhaps the Pointers
    would any of these merit serious consideration? Janet Jackson?
    Certainly not the Carpenters or Cher.
    --------------
    I think Whitney Houston's *mother* should be inducted (with the Sweet >Inspirations). As "sidemen" if not for their work under their own name.

    And what's so strange about the idea of Cher being inducted? She had a lot >of hits. I'm not a fan, but she did have a lot of hits....like at least 25 >of them.

    I don't know, it's difficult. I was very happy Linda Ronstadt was finally >inducted, but unfortunately I think they only inducted her because of her >illness.

    There are an awful lot of female pop stars nowadays, but I don't know
    whether they're actually "rock and roll" stars?

    Then again, Doug, if they inducted Miles Davis and Leonard Cohen, wouldn't >you say anything goes? Why *not* Streisand? (I can't stand her singing >voice, but I can't stand Miles Davis or Leonard Cohen either.)

    Streisand in the Rock Hall? Cher might have chartered a bunch and I
    like a few but I don't take her seriously as a singer. If not for what
    she wore or should I say didn't, having married Sonny and Greg,
    various affairs with Gene Simmons, the bagel boy would we even know
    who she was/is?

    DianeE


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  • From Bill B@21:1/5 to TiredOfSpam@SorryFolks.com on Sat Apr 30 09:42:20 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    peneny
    wrote in message news:0ja9ib1vqu3ojobmcsqq3fpvmdgkm2ban1@4ax.com...

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:35:43 -0400, "DianeE"
    <TiredOfSpam@SorryFolks.com> wrote:


    And what's so strange about the idea of Cher being inducted? She had a
    lot
    of hits. I'm not a fan, but she did have a lot of hits....like at least 25 >>of them.


    Cher might have chartered a bunch and I
    like a few but I don't take her seriously as a singer. If not for what
    she wore or should I say didn't, having married Sonny and Greg,
    various affairs with Gene Simmons, the bagel boy would we even know
    who she was/is?

    I was never a big fan, but Cher was the talented half of Sonny & Cher. And
    how can three #1 and one #2 hits be dismissed?

    Even you must have heard of "Moonstruck" and "The Mask."

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  • From xpenenyx@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 30 15:37:52 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:42:20 -0400, "Bill B" <lastname@optonline.net>
    wrote:


    peneny
    wrote in message news:0ja9ib1vqu3ojobmcsqq3fpvmdgkm2ban1@4ax.com...

    On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:35:43 -0400, "DianeE"
    <TiredOfSpam@SorryFolks.com> wrote:


    And what's so strange about the idea of Cher being inducted? She had a >>>lot
    of hits. I'm not a fan, but she did have a lot of hits....like at least 25 >>>of them.


    Cher might have chartered a bunch and I
    like a few but I don't take her seriously as a singer. If not for what
    she wore or should I say didn't, having married Sonny and Greg,
    various affairs with Gene Simmons, the bagel boy would we even know
    who she was/is?

    I was never a big fan, but Cher was the talented half of Sonny & Cher. And >how can three #1 and one #2 hits be dismissed?

    Even you must have heard of "Moonstruck" and "The Mask."

    Yes I saw both.

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  • From Jan Dean@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 1 03:57:32 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    Who's in already? Is Etta James? Big Mama Thornton?

    I'd vote for Barbara Lynn and Bonnie Raitt, two guitar slingers.

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  • From Ken Whiton@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 04:22:45 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    *-* On Sun, 1 May 2016, at 12:13:11 -0400,
    *-* In Article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605011212320.13812@darkstar.example.org>,
    *-* Michael Black wrote
    *-* About Re: Women that belong in the Rock and Roll Hall?

    On Sun, 1 May 2016, Jan Dean wrote:

    Who's in already? Is Etta James? Big Mama Thornton?

    I'd vote for Barbara Lynn and Bonnie Raitt, two guitar slingers.

    I was just thinking of Bonnie Raitt yesterday, because of this
    thread, then assumed that surely she's already in there. But I
    don't know.

    I think the first two are there, but that's mostly a guess.

    Here are the women (and all-female groups) who are already in.

    LaVern Baker, Performer
    Blondie, Performer
    Ruth Brown, Performer
    Aretha Franklin, Performer
    (Gerry Goffin and) Carole King, Non-Performer
    Gladys Knight (and the Pips), Performer
    Ellie Greenwich (and Jeff Barry), Non-Performer
    Billie Holiday, Early Influence
    Mahalia Jackson, Early Influence
    Wanda Jackson, Early Influence
    Etta James, Performer
    Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, Performer
    Janis Joplin, Performer
    Brenda Lee, Performer
    Darlene Love, Performer
    Madonna, Performer
    (Barry Mann and) Cynthia Weil, Non-Performer
    Martha and the Vandellas, Performer
    Joni Mitchell, Performer
    Laura Nyro, Performer
    Ma Rainey, Early Influence
    Bonnie Raitt, Performer
    The Ronettes, Performer
    Linda Ronstadt, Performer
    The Shirelles, Performer
    Bessie Smith, Early Influence
    Patti Smith, Performer
    Dusty Springfield, Performer
    Donna Summer, Performer
    The Supremes, Performer
    (Ike and) Tina Turner, Performer
    Dinah Washington, Early Influence

    <http://rockhall.com/inductees/alphabetical>

    Ken Whiton
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  • From xpenenyx@gmail.com@21:1/5 to prose99@poisonedrose.com on Mon May 2 18:14:21 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:10:42 -0700, poisoned rose
    <prose99@poisonedrose.com> wrote:

    I'd estimate the only eligible female-ish acts I'm avid about who have a >snowball's chance in hell of being inducted are:

    Tori Amos, Laurie Anderson, the Bangles, Kate Bush, Petula Clark,
    Cocteau Twins, Cowboy Junkies, Marianne Faithfull, P J Harvey, Hole,
    Rickie Lee Jones, My Bloody Valentine, Sinead O'Connor, Yoko Ono, the
    Pixies, 10000 Maniacs, Suzanne Vega, X and Yo La Tengo.

    Petula Clark and Mariane Faithfull Yikes!!!!!!!

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  • From poisoned rose@21:1/5 to Ken Whiton on Mon May 2 20:12:48 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    Ken Whiton <kenwhiton@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote:

    Here are the women (and all-female groups) who are already in.

    Blondie, Performer

    http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0000/676/MI0000676799.jpg

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  • From poisoned rose@21:1/5 to xpenenyx@gmail.com on Mon May 2 20:28:25 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    xpenenyx@gmail.com wrote:

    I'd estimate the only eligible female-ish acts I'm avid about who have a >snowball's chance in hell of being inducted are:

    Tori Amos, Laurie Anderson, the Bangles, Kate Bush, Petula Clark,
    Cocteau Twins, Cowboy Junkies, Marianne Faithfull, P J Harvey, Hole,
    Rickie Lee Jones, My Bloody Valentine, Sinead O'Connor, Yoko Ono, the >Pixies, 10000 Maniacs, Suzanne Vega, X and Yo La Tengo.

    Petula Clark and Mariane Faithfull Yikes!!!!!!!

    Don't give yourself a heart attack. But I'm glad to find another My
    Bloody Valentine lover here.

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  • From Ken Whiton@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 04:18:44 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    *-* On Mon, 02 May 2016, at 20:12:48 -0700,
    *-* In Article <prose99-498576.20124802052016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
    *-* poisoned rose wrote
    *-* About Re: Women that belong in the Rock and Roll Hall?

    Ken Whiton <kenwhiton@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote:

    Here are the women (and all-female groups) who are already in.

    Blondie, Performer

    http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0000/676/MI0000676799.jpg

    Ooopppsss!!! That shows how much I know (knew) about Blondie.

    Ken Whiton
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  • From Michael Black@21:1/5 to Jan Dean on Sun May 1 12:13:11 2016
    XPost: rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s, rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s

    On Sun, 1 May 2016, Jan Dean wrote:

    Who's in already? Is Etta James? Big Mama Thornton?

    I'd vote for Barbara Lynn and Bonnie Raitt, two guitar slingers.


    I was just thinking of Bonnie Raitt yesterday, because of this thread,
    then assumed that surely she's already in there. But I don't know.

    I think the first two are there, but that's mostly a guess.

    Michael

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