Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud?our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-getter on
Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave Names toAll the Animals,” to name just a handful.
One of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell withinweeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his son Jakob
Some of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and somecombines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurt
The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing every timeyou move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”
Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet, thenarrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”
What always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned literaryscholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomatic expression. He
Which is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one commitsa sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies an equation
In what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when youreach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] still
Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:20:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:getter on our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:15:12 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud? Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-
to All the Animals,” to name just a handful.Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave Names
weeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his son JakobOne of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell within
combines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurtSome of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and some
time you move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing every
narrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet, the
literary scholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomaticWhat always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned
commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies anWhich is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one
reach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] stillIn what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when you
verse needs reworking.Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).Great find, Seth, that Talmud passage: “No one commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” (And thanks, K, for "forwarding.")
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that first
where someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have onlyI see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came out
This seems like it might be the real thing: https://soundcloud.com/bestbobboots/idiot-wind-original-new-york-session?in=bestbobboots/sets/blood-on-the-tracks-originalBy the way, that "original version" has the soldier on the hill, not on the cross.
I think that's the same as the take 6 on Spotify.
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:15:12 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:on our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud?
Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-getter
All the Animals,” to name just a handful.Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave Names to
weeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his son JakobOne of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell within
combines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurtSome of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and some
you move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing every time
narrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet, the
scholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomatic expression. HeWhat always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned literary
commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies anWhich is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one
reach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] stillIn what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when you
verse needs reworking.Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).Great find, Seth, that Talmud passage: “No one commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” (And thanks, K, for "forwarding.")
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that first
I see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came outwhere someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have only
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:15:12 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:on our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud?
Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-getter
All the Animals,” to name just a handful.Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave Names to
weeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his son JakobOne of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell within
combines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurtSome of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and some
you move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing every time
narrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet, the
scholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomatic expression. HeWhat always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned literary
commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies anWhich is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one
reach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] stillIn what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when you
verse needs reworking.Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).Great find, Seth, that Talmud passage: “No one commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” (And thanks, K, for "forwarding.")
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that first
I see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came outwhere someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have only
I see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came outwhere someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have only
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:20:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:getter on our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:15:12 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud? Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-
to All the Animals,” to name just a handful.Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave Names
weeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his son JakobOne of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell within
combines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurtSome of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and some
time you move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing every
narrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet, the
literary scholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomaticWhat always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned
commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies anWhich is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one
reach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] stillIn what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when you
verse needs reworking.Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).Great find, Seth, that Talmud passage: “No one commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” (And thanks, K, for "forwarding.")
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that first
where someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have onlyI see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came out
This seems like it might be the real thing: https://soundcloud.com/bestbobboots/idiot-wind-original-new-york-session?in=bestbobboots/sets/blood-on-the-tracks-original
I think that's the same as the take 6 on Spotify.
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:46:17 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:getter on our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:44:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:20:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:15:12 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud? Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-
Names to All the Animals,” to name just a handful.Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave
within weeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his sonOne of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell
combines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurtSome of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and some
every time you move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing
the narrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet,
literary scholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomaticWhat always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned
commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies anWhich is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one
you reach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] stillIn what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when
first verse needs reworking.Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).Great find, Seth, that Talmud passage: “No one commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” (And thanks, K, for "forwarding.")
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that
out where someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have onlyI see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came
bootleg. Thanks for including that.][Last one, I promise. And while compiling this, I just saw your posts, K. I agree (as you'll see here below) that his is a "beautiful beyond words" version. And thanks, yes, it was (of all people) Alex Ross who sequenced the NYC version from theThis seems like it might be the real thing: https://soundcloud.com/bestbobboots/idiot-wind-original-new-york-session?in=bestbobboots/sets/blood-on-the-tracks-originalBy the way, that "original version" has the soldier on the hill, not on the cross.
I think that's the same as the take 6 on Spotify.
Wow, I like that NYC version SO much better than the released version. That great swirling/swelling organ on the choruses. His gentle voice.
Verse three is quite different. In the released version it's this:
"I ran into the fortune-teller, who said beware of lightning that might strike
I haven’t known peace and quiet for so long I can’t remember what it’s like
There’s a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door You didn’t know it, you didn’t think it could be done, in the final end he won the wars
After losin’ every battle"
In the NYC version it was this:
"I threw the I-Ching yesterday, it said there might be some thunder at the well
Peace and quiet's been avoiding me for so long it seems like living hell There's a lone soldier on the hill watching falling raindrops pour
You'd never know it, to look at him but at the final shot he'd won the war After losing every battle."
Verse six is also quite different. In the released version it's this:
"I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I can’t remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed, your eyes don’t look into mine
The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned
I waited for you on the running boards, near the cypress trees, while the springtime turned
Slowly into Autumn"
In the NYC version it was this:
"I noticed at the ceremony that you left all your bags behind
The driver came in after you left he gave 'em all to me and then he resigned The priest wore black on the seventh day waltzed around while the building burned
You didn't trust me for a minute babe I've never known the Spring to turn so quickly
Into Autumn"
More big differences in the next verse. The released version:
"I can’t feel you anymore, I can’t even touch the books you’ve read Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishin’ I was somebody else instead
Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy
I followed you beneath the stars, hounded by your memory
And all your ragin’ glory"
The NYC original:
"We pushed each other a little too far and one day it just jumped into a raging storm
A hound dog bayed behind your trees as I was packing up my u-ni-form
Figured I'd lost you anyway why go on what's the use
In order to get in a word with you I'd a-had to come up with some excuse That just struck me as kinda funny"
Then, the released version goes:
"I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I’m finally free I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me
You’ll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above
And I’ll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love And it makes me feel so sorry"
While the NYC version had gone:
"I been double-crossed too much at times I think I've almost lost my mind Lady killers load dice on me behind my back while imitators steal me blind You close your eyes and part your lips and slip your fingers from your <???> You can have the best there is but it's gonna cost you all your love
You won't get it for money"
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /verse needs reworking.
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that first
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:44:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:getter on our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:20:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:15:12 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud? Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-
Names to All the Animals,” to name just a handful.Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave
within weeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his sonOne of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell
combines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurtSome of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and some
time you move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing every
narrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet, the
literary scholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomaticWhat always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned
commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies anWhich is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one
you reach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] stillIn what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when
first verse needs reworking.Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).Great find, Seth, that Talmud passage: “No one commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” (And thanks, K, for "forwarding.")
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that
where someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have onlyI see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came out
This seems like it might be the real thing: https://soundcloud.com/bestbobboots/idiot-wind-original-new-york-session?in=bestbobboots/sets/blood-on-the-tracks-originalBy the way, that "original version" has the soldier on the hill, not on the cross.
I think that's the same as the take 6 on Spotify.
Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"?
On Tuesday, 1 February 2022 at 13:20:22 UTC-5, Willie wrote:perhaps an unreliable narrator, subject to doubt or disbelief.
Gray is the color of ambiguity, as in "a gray area" or "shades of gray."Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCF1IatF8TU
Maybe a hint that "Idiot Wind" can be taken a lot of different ways (as what Dylan song can't?). The acknowledgment at the end of the song that "we're idiots, babe" implicates Dylan himself (or at least the narrator) in the rampant idiocy, making him
"Hey, don't look at me--I can't help it if I'm lucky!"
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 2:51:35 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
"Hey, don't look at me--I can't help it if I'm lucky!"Where did I hear George Harrison, of the Wilburys at the time, introduce him as "we just call him Lucky"?
I laughed then...thinking of the line.
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 8:52:36 PM UTC-5, nate wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 2:51:35 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
"Hey, don't look at me--I can't help it if I'm lucky!"Where did I hear George Harrison, of the Wilburys at the time, introduce him as "we just call him Lucky"?
I laughed then...thinking of the line.I think that was when he introduced Dylan at the 30th anniversary concert.
hi peter the normal! :-) and nate!! :-)
xoxox
(i think the supermarket is still there....)
I laughed then...thinking of the line.I think that was when he introduced Dylan at the 30th anniversary concert.
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
hi peter the normal! :-) and nate!! :-)
xoxox
(i think the supermarket is still there....)hi Rachel!
- nate
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:38:15 AM UTC-8, nate wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
hi peter the normal! :-) and nate!! :-)
xoxox
(i think the supermarket is still there....)hi Rachel!
- natespeaking of pizza delivery, it sure would be cool you, me, n' bobby could go to conte's in p'ton one night for dinner.
some of the best ever.
(and show you around, my old schools, etc...)
(and we can't leave without dropping in to hoagie haven!!!)
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:38:15 AM UTC-8, nate wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
hi peter the normal! :-) and nate!! :-)
xoxox
(i think the supermarket is still there....)hi Rachel!
- natespeaking of pizza delivery, it sure would be cool you, me, n' bobby could go to conte's in p'ton one night for dinner.
some of the best ever.
(and show you around, my old schools, etc...)
(and we can't leave without dropping in to hoagie haven!!!)
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:32:46 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:38:15 AM UTC-8, nate wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
hi peter the normal! :-) and nate!! :-)
xoxox
(i think the supermarket is still there....)hi Rachel!
- natespeaking of pizza delivery, it sure would be cool you, me, n' bobby could go to conte's in p'ton one night for dinner.
some of the best ever.
(and show you around, my old schools, etc...)
(and we can't leave without dropping in to hoagie haven!!!)Howdy Rachel....
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:32:46 PM UTC-8, Rachel wrote:
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:38:15 AM UTC-8, nate wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
hi peter the normal! :-) and nate!! :-)
xoxox
(i think the supermarket is still there....)hi Rachel!
- natespeaking of pizza delivery, it sure would be cool you, me, n' bobby could go to conte's in p'ton one night for dinner.
some of the best ever.
(and show you around, my old schools, etc...)
(and we can't leave without dropping in to hoagie haven!!!)what, was that a bad idea?
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Zod wrote:
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:32:46 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:38:15 AM UTC-8, nate wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Rachel wrote:
hi peter the normal! :-) and nate!! :-)
xoxox
(i think the supermarket is still there....)hi Rachel!
- natespeaking of pizza delivery, it sure would be cool you, me, n' bobby could go to conte's in p'ton one night for dinner.
some of the best ever.
(and show you around, my old schools, etc...)
howdy doo! :)(and we can't leave without dropping in to hoagie haven!!!)Howdy Rachel....
On Tuesday, 1 February 2022 at 13:20:22 UTC-5, Willie wrote:verse needs reworking.
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that first
I recall bursting out in laughter the first time I heard that cut back in 1975. Dylan humor had become a lot scarcer since the 1960s, so this was a welcome moment for me. The key lines for me were the following: "She inherited a million bucks/And whenshe died it came to me." The "I can't help it if I'm lucky" that followed was almost Wildean. Was he just lucky that he inherited a million bucks, or was he also lucky that Gray's wife died? ("“One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:15:12 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:on our list of the Great Jewish Songs of the Rock Era; “All Along the Watchtower,” whose imagery comes right of Isaiah; and “Wheels on Fire,” a kind of midrash on Ezekiel’s vision of the chariot.
Dylan’s mysterious 1975 masterpiece, is he referencing the Talmud?
Seth Rogovoy, The Forward
January 31, 2022
Inspired in part by all the Jewish artists on Rolling Stone’s list of the 500 Greatest Songs, the Forward decided it was time to rank the best Jewish pop songs of all time. You can find the whole list and accompanying essays here.
There are dozens if not hundreds of Bob Dylan songs that could be considered “Jewish” in one manner or another. Indeed, you could write a book. (I know because I did.) The most obvious ones include “Highway 61 Revisited,” the top vote-getter
All the Animals,” to name just a handful.Scratch just below the surface, and there is Jewish and/or Biblical content in “Jokerman,” “I and I,” “Forever Young,” “Tombstone Blues,” “Not Dark Yet,” “Tryin’ to Get to Heaven,” and even a trifle like “Man Gave Names to
weeks of the album’s release) and governmental corruption (Nixon had resigned just a few months earlier), as well as a highly personal expression of lost love (“Blood on the Tracks” is often called Dylan’s “divorce album” and his son JakobOne of Dylan’s greatest songs is also my all-time favorite. “Idiot Wind” was a cornerstone of Dylan’s 1975 masterpiece, “Blood on the Tracks,” a searing, devastating examination of an American landscape riven by war (Saigon fell within
combines both: “The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building burned.” Dylan’s sense of martyrdom infuses every line he sneers – and he does not merely sing “Idiot Wind,” he veritably sneers it: “You hurtSome of the song’s imagery is Jewish – the “smoke pourin’ out of a boxcar door” could be a reference to the trains carrying Jews to the death camps – and some is Christian – “There’s a lone soldier on the cross” – and some
you move your teeth / You’re an idiot babe / It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.”The essential lines of the song appear in the refrain, which rolls around after every two verses, four times in all. Each time the lyrics change slightly, but what remains the same (with one exception) throughout is: “Idiot wind, blowing every time
narrator implicates himself (and the listener) in this vicious indictment: “We’re idiots, babe / It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves.”Now, clearly, one could rip the song and songwriter to shreds over a strain of misogyny that runs through the song, if one believes that the “you” of the song is a woman. But that’s not entirely clear, and in the song’s final couplet, the
scholar Christopher Ricks, whose writings on John Donne and John Keats are as canonical as his terrific book on Dylan’s poetry, “Dylan’s Visions of Sin.” I asked Ricks if he knew of any literary precedent for this odd, idiomatic expression. HeWhat always interested me most about the song was the term “idiot wind.” Where did that come from? Was it a term used in literature or poetry? Not as far as I could determine. I once had the great privilege of having dinner with renowned literary
commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” The ruach shtus is the breath or wind of idiocy. Dylan relies on both meanings of ruach: “Idiot wind, it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe.” The use of the term implies anWhich is why I was startled when I stumbled upon a phrase from the Talmud (Tractate Sotah 3a) attributed to Reysh Lakish: “Eyn adam over aveyre ela im keyn nikhnas bo ruach shtus” [emphasis mine]. This translates approximately to: “No one
reach the top / You’re on the bottom.” Nearly fifty years on, with the foundations of our democracy being shaken to their core and a respiratory virus threatening our health and well-being, it’s still, unfortunately, “a wonder that [we] stillIn what felt back then like Dylan’s version of a State of the Union address, he sang, “Now everything’s a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped / What’s good is bad, what’s bad is good, you’ll find out when you
verse needs reworking.Seth Rogovoy is a contributing editor at the Forward and the author of “Bob Dylan: Prophet Mystic Poet” (Scribner).Great find, Seth, that Talmud passage: “No one commits a sin unless the wind of idiocy enters into him.” (And thanks, K, for "forwarding.")
I still, though, can't get into the song. It's so churlish. And when he starts out with "They say I shot a man named Gray /
And took his wife to Italy" I think, what is he talking about? Is he just saying, "They'll say anything about me, however groundless"? Or is there some significance in the name "Gray"? But if so, why "I can't help it if I'm lucky"? I think that first
I see that on the "More Blood, More Tracks: Bootleg Series Vol 14" take 6 of "Idiot Wind" is much sparer and less angry (see here: https://open.spotify.com/album/5faKzawYFUfk3IRRe6ERXl). There was a post back when "More Blood, More Tracks" came outwhere someone gave a sequence through the discs that reproduced the NYC original recording of the album. (The bootleg itself doesn't present it in that sequence.) But I can't find it, and I never got the bootleg anyway (and Spotify seems to have only
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