• Re: In memorial ... John Lennon

    From Zod@21:1/5 to Jimmy the Saint on Thu Dec 9 15:30:20 2021
    On Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 12:28:00 AM UTC-5, Jimmy the Saint wrote:

    may his spirit live forever!

    May he rest in peace...

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Zod on Sat Dec 11 11:40:38 2021
    On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 5:30:22 PM UTC-6, Zod wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 12:28:00 AM UTC-5, Jimmy the Saint wrote:

    may his spirit live forever!
    May he rest in peace...
    <sigh>...
    If the limo had pulled into the Dakota's private courtyard, he might have been safe that day...
    https://www.ellimanpm.com/buildings/1_West_72nd_Street

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to roberta on Thu Dec 23 08:03:38 2021
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.

    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of that
    afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Thu Dec 23 13:38:15 2021
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean >anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during >one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his >life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to >shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of
    that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical
    ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "
    Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk

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  • From marc.catone@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Willie on Thu Dec 23 19:39:17 2021
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean >anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during >one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his >life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to >shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of
    that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical
    ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "
    Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk


    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr,
    docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came
    on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Willie on Fri Dec 24 09:30:10 2021
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 3:38:16 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean >anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during >one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his >life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to >shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of
    that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical
    ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "
    Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,
    Thanks for the link. This is an excellent article.
    I am a member of rmb but haven't spent much time there. I think that will change.
    I am gearing up to watch Get Back, because I am not a fan of Yoko...
    I am currently enjoying listening to the remix cd's of Gimme Some Truth and Imagine. Lovely work by John. Great melodic line in Jealous Guy...

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to marc....@gmail.com on Fri Dec 24 15:34:22 2021
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean >anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his >life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to >shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of
    that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical
    ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "
    Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr,
    docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came on,
    the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then they
    found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"? Then
    I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo." It
    didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to the
    Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of the
    group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

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  • From marc.catone@gmail.com@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 24 17:06:06 2021
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 12:30:11 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 3:38:16 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean >anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his >life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to >shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events of
    that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...

    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of musical
    ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the Drifters' "
    Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,
    Thanks for the link. This is an excellent article.
    I am a member of rmb but haven't spent much time there. I think that will change.
    I am gearing up to watch Get Back, because I am not a fan of Yoko...
    I am currently enjoying listening to the remix cd's of Gimme Some Truth and Imagine. Lovely work by John. Great melodic line in Jealous Guy...

    I know you haven't seen "Get Back" yet (I'm currently watching it for the second time through)but trying not to be a spoiler, I will tell you that re: Yoko, you will be surprised.

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  • From marc.catone@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Willie on Fri Dec 24 17:17:35 2021
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean >anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the events
    of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back" series:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8 hr,
    docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light came
    on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And then
    they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of
    the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/

    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to marc....@gmail.com on Fri Dec 24 18:19:47 2021
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8
    hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light
    came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of
    the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't
    all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who
    broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers)
    is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt
    there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Willie on Sat Dec 25 09:07:59 2021
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:19:48 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost
    8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light
    came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of
    the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn'
    t all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who
    broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers)
    is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt
    there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

    Speaking only for myself, loving the Beatles is just a lifelong thing, wherever they are, whatever they are doing. So in that sense it doesn't matter if they are actively performing or not...

    As far as Get Back is concerned, I am wading in slowly. I bought the book.

    My tolerance for Yoko is just based on the fact that John loved her and insisted that she accompany him wherever he went. So in order for the Beatles to have John, they had to accept Yoko in their midst as well.

    However, I do not think Yoko broke the Beatles up. They evolved. And, in part, this had to do with Bob. They adored him, they loved his music. But he turned around and called them 'cute'. And they were. Bob challenged them to write more profound songs,
    and they did. Then they evolved. And then came Yoko...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K. Hematite@21:1/5 to Willie on Sat Dec 25 09:49:12 2021
    On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 21:19:48 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost
    8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light
    came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of
    the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn'
    t all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who
    broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers)
    is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt
    there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela


    rec.music.beatles
    September 1987

    rec.music.dylan
    July 31, 1989


    https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html

    "When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.

    "There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic mail
    to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.

    "*rec*.music.beatles."


    Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
    From: how...@best.com (John Howells)
    Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <howells....@shell4.ba.best.com>

    We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
    birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
    that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day
    rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
    celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown
    begins...

    July 31, 1989: a day to remember.

    John Howells
    how...@bigfoot.com
    http://www.punkhart.com

    .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Willie@21:1/5 to K. Hematite on Sat Dec 25 18:18:06 2021
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
    On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 21:19:48 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"
    ? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo.
    " It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of
    the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela
    rec.music.beatles
    September 1987

    rec.music.dylan
    July 31, 1989


    https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html

    "When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.

    "There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic
    mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.

    "*rec*.music.beatles."


    Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
    From: how...@best.com (John Howells)
    Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <howells....@shell4.ba.best.com>

    We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
    birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
    that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
    celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown
    begins...

    July 31, 1989: a day to remember.

    John Howells
    how...@bigfoot.com
    http://www.punkhart.com

    .
    Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.google.
    com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K. Hematite@21:1/5 to Willie on Sat Dec 25 19:06:02 2021
    On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 21:18:08 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
    On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 21:19:48 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction. I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain
    of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with
    so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view
    how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela
    rec.music.beatles
    September 1987

    rec.music.dylan
    July 31, 1989


    https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html

    "When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.

    "There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic
    mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.

    "*rec*.music.beatles."


    Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
    From: how...@best.com (John Howells)
    Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <howells....@shell4.ba.best.com>

    We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
    birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
    that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
    celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown begins...

    July 31, 1989: a day to remember.

    John Howells
    how...@bigfoot.com
    http://www.punkhart.com

    .
    Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.google.
    com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.


    The new Beatles' single "Free as a Bird" was released on Monday, November 20, 1995. It had been previewed on the Sunday night before, in an ABC documentary commemorating the 25th anniversary of the breakup of The Beatles.

    ``Free As a Bird″ was first broadcast Sunday night during ABC-TV’s airing of a documentary on the band, which split up in 1970. On the basis of overnight ratings, ABC estimated 47 million people watched the show. The Beatles’ first appearance on
    the ``Ed Sullivan Show″ in 1964 drew 73 million viewers."

    https://apnews.com/article/b0f7e81fdca0660052143a9cbdf93984

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From marc.catone@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Willie on Sat Dec 25 19:48:15 2021
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 9:18:08 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
    On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 21:19:48 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5,
    wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction. I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain
    of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with
    so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view
    how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela
    rec.music.beatles
    September 1987

    rec.music.dylan
    July 31, 1989


    https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html

    "When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.

    "There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic
    mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.

    "*rec*.music.beatles."


    Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
    From: how...@best.com (John Howells)
    Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <howells....@shell4.ba.best.com>

    We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
    birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
    that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
    celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown begins...

    July 31, 1989: a day to remember.

    John Howells
    how...@bigfoot.com
    http://www.punkhart.com

    .
    Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.google.
    com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.

    That's when "The Beatles Anthology" was released with its showing on ABC-TV. Two unfinished songs by John Lennon ("Free As A Bird" and "Real Love") were completed by McCartney, Harrison and Starr, and released. The anthology was the history of The
    Beatles as told by them.

    "Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Willie@21:1/5 to marc....@gmail.com on Sun Dec 26 10:14:16 2021
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:48:17 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 9:18:08 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
    On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 21:19:48 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5,
    wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through
    the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days
    with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to
    view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable
    she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela
    rec.music.beatles
    September 1987

    rec.music.dylan
    July 31, 1989


    https://www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/rmb.html

    "When Jim Kendall fought the good fight to launch us in September 1987, there were no other special-interest Usenet music discussion groups. Things were simpler then.

    "There was no Internet. There was no Web. There were no pictures, graphics files, Java-scripts. The fact that we could read each other's words in what was later known as "cyberspace" was something of a miracle. Someone designed a way for electronic
    mail to be posted as "news" to people who might use those words for practical purposes. Oh, all right; sometimes recreational. That's where we fit in.

    "*rec*.music.beatles."


    Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
    From: how...@best.com (John Howells)
    Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <howells....@shell4.ba.best.com>

    We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual
    birth date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date
    that voting was completed and the group passed, so on that day rec.music.dylan was born. We're about three months away from
    celebrating the 10th anniversary of that milestone. The countdown begins...

    July 31, 1989: a day to remember.

    John Howells
    how...@bigfoot.com
    http://www.punkhart.com

    .
    Wow, on November 20, 1995 there were over 1100 posts (in one day) at rec.music.beatles!? Gotta research what was happening in Beatleslandia then. Thank you muchly, K., for the two posts by saki. (I guess he no longer posts to RMB: https://groups.
    google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/3ROYD2qc3hg/m/HtPmwttkAAAJ.) Many thoughts, but first I have to decide which to read of these to recent gifts: The new Heylin (which would be my first) or the Keith Richard's massive memoir.
    That's when "The Beatles Anthology" was released with its showing on ABC-TV. Two unfinished songs by John Lennon ("Free As A Bird" and "Real Love") were completed by McCartney, Harrison and Starr, and released. The anthology was the history of The
    Beatles as told by them.

    "Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.

    "Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.

    That makes me reconsider her statement about the early days of RMB: "There were no women. It was all men...odd when you think that girls had made up the majority of Beatlemaniacs early on. Instead, here were a group of men combing through the recording
    relics of the Fabs...whom they didn't call the Fabs (because George Harrison hadn't quite invented the appellation yet)."

    Speaking of the rec.music founders (or at least early sages), does anyone know what John Howells is up to? His Dylan site (http://www.punkhart.com/dylan/Home.html) seems to have been dormant since 2007, though punkhart.com does host his Quake Records (
    heavily Graham Parker promoting) and Tangible Press, which seem to be more current.

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  • From Just Kidding@21:1/5 to williamgwilliams@gmail.com on Sun Dec 26 15:36:25 2021
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie
    <williamgwilliams@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote: >> > > > > > Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV >> > > > > > news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost 8
    hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light
    came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn't
    all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who
    broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers)
    is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt
    there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6 half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
    recording techniques.

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  • From marc.catone@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 26 18:16:27 2021

    "Saki" was a woman, who with others, started rec.music.beatles.
    That makes me reconsider her statement about the early days of RMB: "There were no women. It was all men...odd when you think that girls had made up the majority of Beatlemaniacs early on. Instead, here were a group of men combing through the recording
    relics of the Fabs...whom they didn't call the Fabs (because George Harrison hadn't quite invented the appellation yet)."

    Speaking of the rec.music founders (or at least early sages), does anyone know what John Howells is up to? His Dylan site (http://www.punkhart.com/dylan/Home.html) seems to have been dormant since 2007, though punkhart.com does host his Quake Records (
    heavily Graham Parker promoting) and Tangible Press, which seem to be more current.

    Sexism and insulting raunchy language from trolls, as well as arguments and bickering, drove women away from RMB. By about the 2010-2012 time period there were very few women posters. When I first posted there around 1999-2000, there were a lot more
    women posters than ten years later, however there were always more men than women posters.

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to Just Kidding on Mon Dec 27 07:37:34 2021
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie
    <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote: >> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost
    8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light
    came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn'
    t all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who
    broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers)
    is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6 half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
    recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward to in the
    series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to Willie on Mon Dec 27 08:07:28 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie
    <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote: >> > > > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction. >> > > > > > I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain
    of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with
    so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view
    how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6 half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
    recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward to in
    the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John's
    father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New
    Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other
    dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano
    and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that
    entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial
    contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Willie on Mon Dec 27 10:36:38 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie
    <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote: >> > > > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through
    the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain
    of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with
    so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view
    how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6 half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
    recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward to in
    the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says) John'
    s father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to New
    Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other
    dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the piano
    and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this from that
    entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's crucial
    contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."

    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Mon Dec 27 10:39:12 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >> > > > > > >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through
    the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days
    with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to
    view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that
    it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable
    she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6 half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward to
    in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says)
    John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to
    New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other
    dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the
    piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to Willie on Mon Dec 27 14:04:53 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 4:59:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote: >> > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote: >> > > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "
    Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "
    The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised
    that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward
    to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says)
    John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to
    New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the
    piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?
    Well, probably a different show, since I think that one is in 1962, while yours was Feb. '63.

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Mon Dec 27 13:59:20 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote: >> > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days
    with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to
    view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that
    it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable
    she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward to
    in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says)
    John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to
    New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the
    piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Willie on Mon Dec 27 21:00:19 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 4:04:55 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 4:59:22 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote: >> > > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "
    Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "
    The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised
    that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking
    forward to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul
    says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take
    him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to
    the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?
    Well, probably a different show, since I think that one is in 1962, while yours was Feb. '63.
    No setlist confirmations yet, but this is the show... https://www.beatlesbible.com/1963/02/04/live-cavern-club-liverpool-277/

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Just Kidding on Tue Dec 28 14:27:00 2021
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 2:36:30 PM UTC-6, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie
    <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote: >> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost
    8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light
    came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn'
    t all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who
    broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers)
    is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6 half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's
    recording techniques.
    I just watched the trailer for this. It looks incredible. I may watch this before Get Back...

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  • From Rachel@21:1/5 to Roach on Tue Dec 28 16:55:18 2021
    On Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8, Roach wrote:
    Jimmy the Saint wrote:
    may his spirit live forever!
    Where were you all when it happened?
    I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
    school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in,
    terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.
    I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.
    (I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why
    regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their
    lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember
    this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also
    having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd
    right now. Please forgive! :-/)

    no, i remember now. it was "john lennon was shot." but i was just a kid, i didn't understand, i had no idea who he was, iow, you could say, "what it meant."

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  • From Rachel@21:1/5 to Rachel on Tue Dec 28 16:57:12 2021
    On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 4:55:20 PM UTC-8, Rachel wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8, Roach wrote:
    Jimmy the Saint wrote:
    may his spirit live forever!
    Where were you all when it happened?
    I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
    school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in,
    terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.
    I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.
    (I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember
    this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd
    right now. Please forgive! :-/)

    no, i remember now. it was "john lennon was shot." but i was just a kid, i didn't understand, i had no idea who he was, iow, you could say, "what it meant."

    i'd never forget my bob dylan story....maybe a faulty subject or hazy timing of some experiences, like when i thought what watching DLB or whatever, (just some of it, other parts, for certain), but that's it.

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  • From Rachel@21:1/5 to Rachel on Tue Dec 28 17:32:19 2021
    On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 4:57:13 PM UTC-8, Rachel wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 4:55:20 PM UTC-8, Rachel wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8, Roach wrote:
    Jimmy the Saint wrote:
    may his spirit live forever!
    Where were you all when it happened?
    I remember being in 5th grade homeroom in the morning at PDS (my
    school, alma mater of Christopher Reeve) and Ms. Matthews came in, terribly upset, and said John Lennon had died.
    I didn't know who he was, but I'll never forget it.
    (I think I found out shortly after that, and I didn't understand why regular people were so upset about something so far removed from their lives. I don't think I knew he was murdered. I don't really remember this part - everything I'm writing inside these parentheses. I'm also having incredible ADD, and am having trouble focusing on reading rmd right now. Please forgive! :-/)

    no, i remember now. it was "john lennon was shot." but i was just a kid, i didn't understand, i had no idea who he was, iow, you could say, "what it meant."
    i'd never forget my bob dylan story....maybe a faulty subject or hazy timing of some experiences, like when i thought what watching DLB or whatever, (just some of it, other parts, for certain), but that's it.

    otomh, just that one part "i wish he were my boyfriend." everything is pretty much total recall, without actually calling it to mind right now. (i'm sure i said that, in fact, though, when i retold it, that i'm not quite certain when that was.) maybe
    somebody could piece it together, a sort of confabulation from within and without, if that even has any meaning anymore...)

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  • From marc.catone@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 29 12:13:30 2021

    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed

    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"
    ? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo.
    " It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of
    the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.


    I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...

    I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Willie on Wed Dec 29 11:39:04 2021
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:19:48 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com> wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain of
    musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great, almost
    8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record" light
    came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc. And
    then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The Beatles"?
    Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal Pop Combo."
    It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never post this to
    the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a moderated version of
    the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with so
    many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view how
    it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it wasn'
    t all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles, who
    broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other monikers)
    is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she felt
    there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.

    I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to marc....@gmail.com on Thu Dec 30 08:28:58 2021
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 2:13:32 PM UTC-6, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction. I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain
    of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with
    so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view
    how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.


    I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...
    I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.

    To be honest, I think that would take something of a miracle...

    But according to the Get Back book they excised a lot of the 'conflict', whatever that means, so the intent may have been to portray Yoko as kindly as possible...and John loved her, so she deserves that...

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  • From Rachel@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 31 09:51:30 2021
    I know nothing about her, just an album or so, a little off-color work (really avant-garde stuff which impressed me) and interviewing, as an artist, the movie, and some media portrayals, like best artists retro or something on cable, where she appeared
    again, and that's it. It took a bit for her music to grow on me, it being so different, but I like it, and I see why John liked her.

    I mean, I admire her confidence in herself, something which has been lost on me somewhere back there along the line. And she truly seemed to care for him, that her love was genuine, and I know this sounds twisted, but her recognizing his unique needs,
    and allowing him his grace to satisfy them, even helping to arrange it, without forcing societal mores on him, such as his need for an outside relationship, and just accepting him as is, without qualification, afaik. I don't know that I would have that
    in me, to be able to be in a relationship like that, as to me, that is the cornerstone of its grounding. But, you know, to each each's own... :)

    On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 8:29:00 AM UTC-8, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 2:13:32 PM UTC-6, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through
    the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days
    with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to
    view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable
    she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.


    I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...
    I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.
    To be honest, I think that would take something of a miracle...

    But according to the Get Back book they excised a lot of the 'conflict', whatever that means, so the intent may have been to portray Yoko as kindly as possible...and John loved her, so she deserves that...

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Fri Dec 31 11:56:57 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later, >> > > > > > >post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through
    the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days
    with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to
    view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that
    it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable
    she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6 half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward to
    in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says)
    John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to
    New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each other
    dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the
    piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...

    Imagined is live...
    https://music.apple.com/us/album/1602127134

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Fri Dec 31 20:10:07 2021
    On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 1:56:58 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote: >> > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days
    with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to
    view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that
    it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable
    she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward to
    in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says)
    John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to
    New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the
    piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    Imagined is live...
    https://music.apple.com/us/album/1602127134
    Release post... https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

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  • From General Zod@21:1/5 to Pamela Brown on Mon Jan 3 16:05:54 2022
    On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 11:10:09 PM UTC-5, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote: >> > > > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:

    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "
    Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "
    The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised
    that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward
    to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says)
    John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to
    New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the
    piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    Imagined is live...
    https://music.apple.com/us/album/1602127134
    Release post... https://theothermozart.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/imagined-un-hommage-to-john-lennon/

    Reading now, quite good....

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Willie on Fri Jan 7 21:23:19 2022
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 3:59:22 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote: >> > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote: >> > > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "
    Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "
    The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised
    that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking forward
    to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about
    that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul says)
    John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take him to
    New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to the
    piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?

    I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist... https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states

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  • From marc.catone@gmail.com@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 9 13:18:29 2022
    On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 12:23:20 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 3:59:22 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote: >> > > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "
    Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "
    The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised
    that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking
    forward to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul
    says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take
    him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to
    the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?
    I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist... https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states

    I would love to see the IMAX version of the Rooftop Concert, but alas...no IMAX theater near me.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to marc....@gmail.com on Mon Jan 10 05:16:01 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-6, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 12:23:20 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 3:59:22 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:30 AM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:37:36 AM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 18:19:47 -0800 (PST), Willie <williamg...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:17:36 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:34:25 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 11:06:17 AM UTC-6, roberta wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a
    veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish
    they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by
    the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called
    "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was
    surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting
    that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy,
    among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking
    forward to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul
    says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take
    him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved
    each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to
    the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?
    I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist... https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states
    I would love to see the IMAX version of the Rooftop Concert, but alas...no IMAX theater near me.

    Oh no...sorry to hear that...I managed to get one of the remaining seats at Rosedale, so it sold out quickly...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Zod@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Thu Jan 13 16:36:13 2022
    On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 12:23:20 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 3:59:22 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:

    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "
    Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "
    The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised
    that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the
    Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among
    other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking
    forward to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome
    as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul
    says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take
    him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved each
    other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to
    the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?
    I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist... https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states

    Be careful out there...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Zod on Sat Jan 15 11:19:50 2022
    On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 6:36:16 PM UTC-6, Zod wrote:
    On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 12:23:20 AM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 3:59:22 PM UTC-6, Willie wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:39:14 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:

    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    on the end of the bed and cried. My girlfriend came over and without
    saying a word, put her arm around me and hugged me close, rocking me
    like a baby.
    I'll never forget it.
    r
    On 8 Dec 2005 11:50:14 -0800, "Dylanstubs" <dylan...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    I think I was in 8th grade, and at the time frankly it didn't mean
    anything to me whatsoever. It wasn't until years later,
    post-psychedelics, that the enormous weight of that event hit me during
    one of the anniversaries of his murder. Here's a guy just living his
    life that was killed simply because some psycho decided he needed to
    shoot him. What a motherfucking waste.
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me
    through the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a
    veritable fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish
    they had played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by
    the "Get Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this
    great, almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "
    record" light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate
    tracks etc. And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called
    "The Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's
    Phenomenal Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I
    would never post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by
    making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great
    days with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing
    to view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was
    surprised that it wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting
    that the Beatles, who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy,
    among other monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how
    comfortable she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.
    Unless I missed it, doesn't seem like there's been any discussion of
    the Hulu series "McCartney 3,2,1" which I thought was terrific. It's 6
    half-hour episodes of Paul and the producer Rick Rubin hanging out in
    a makeshift studio talking about a variety of Beatles related stuff in
    a very informal, unscripted way. Some really fascinating info from
    Paul about his (and John's) songwriting methods and the band's recording techniques.
    Thank you, JK! I had not even heard of it. We watched (and enjoyed) the first episode last night. Yeah, not much about it (at least, that I find) at RMB. A few threads. One of them had these three intriguing comments, which I'm looking
    forward to in the series:

    "The deep dive into 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' was awesome as was 'Something'

    I don't think I knew about the Chuck Berry/Come Together connection
    and that was a cool discussion of changing the groove to fix that
    sort of possible conflict. Wonder if George was thinking about that with 'My Sweet Lord'?

    The piccolo trumpet story was great"
    Also, I found Paul's comments in episode 1 about how his family life had been so loving and gentle, while John's had been tumultuous very interesting. I've not read much biographical material about The Beatles, and didn't know that (as Paul
    says) John's father was out of the picture (until John became rich and famous) and that his mother had died when he was very young. I've since discovered that this isn't quite accurate: His father, a merchant seaman of Irish descent, even tried to take
    him to New Zealand when he was six (glad that didn't work out) and his mother died (hit by a car) when he was 18.

    I also didn't realize that John was a couple of years older than Paul, and Paul really looked up to him as the cool dude. It's certainly evident, I think, from both episode 1 of McCartney 3,2,1 and the Get Back series that those two loved
    each other dearly, despite the feelings toward the end. And that Paul really admired John's creativity and work ethic. He says, 3,2,1 that he would come up with an idea, and John would find ingenious extensions of the idea.

    One thing I was surprised by in the Get Back series was how little credit was given to George Martin. In 3,2,1 episode 1, Paul tells Rick Rubin, when describing their harmonies, that Martin guided those. (He even shows how Martin would go to
    the piano and pick out the harmonic line for each of them.) Oh, I didn't know, or have forgotten, that Martin died in 2016. From Martin's Wikipedia page, I just learned that Decca turned down The Beatles just before EMI Parlophone signed them. Loved this
    from that entry: "As 'Love Me Do' peaked at number 17 in the British charts, on 26 November 1962 Martin recorded 'Please Please Me', which he did only after Lennon and McCartney had almost begged him to record another of their original songs. Martin's
    crucial contribution to the song was to tell them to speed up what was initially a slow ballad. After the recording Martin looked over the mixing desk and said, 'Gentlemen, you have just made your first number one record'."
    This has become a fascinating thread. Thank you.

    I have just begun making a fool of myself on rmb, as I want to nail down the setlist of the last luncheon show from the Cavern Club which I watched on TV from Edinburgh. That was in Feb, 1963.

    My next release is un hommage to John called Imagined. It drops on New Year's Eve. I'll give you the link when it does...
    rmb Cavern Club setlist post link: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/jfZYW2x7kDs
    Did you see that they have a video from the show up there (though you have to click the "Watch on Facebook" link to see it)?
    I'm still wading in slowly, but this I could not resist... https://tickets.imax.com/country/united-states
    Be careful out there...
    What should I beware of more -- the intense cold, the Dylinquents, or the Beatlemaniacs? :-)

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to marc....@gmail.com on Sat Jan 15 19:40:41 2022
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 2:13:32 PM UTC-6, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction. I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through the
    events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable fountain
    of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had played the
    Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get Back"
    series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days with
    so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to view
    how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable she
    felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.


    I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...
    I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.
    The DVD of Get Back is coming out...I may wait for that... https://brokenheartcasm.com/2702/?fbclid=IwAR0h9wt5Kc9NayWTQ9Br_vHe1kODO9uz0fpUMBMGKX_ua5lFOcxlQ6rUJuo

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  • From Will Dockery@21:1/5 to pamel...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 16 00:28:25 2022
    On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 10:40:43 PM UTC-5, pamel...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 2:13:32 PM UTC-6, marc....@gmail.com wrote:
    Not being a Beatles fan, I was surprised by my own reaction.
    I woke up on the morning of December 8, 1980 and flipped on the TV
    news as I always do. When I heard what had happened, I sat transfixed
    I have been a lifelong Beatles fan. John was my favorite. The edgy one.

    I first saw them on TV from Edinburgh...it was their last luncheon show at the Cavern Club. "Where did those chords come from?" I think was my first reaction. I knew rock music would never be the same again...

    I was also in Edinburgh, walking up Arthur's Seat with a friend, when I heard Hey Jude for the first time. I sensed the end of the Beatles was near...

    When I heard the news about John's death I went into a state of shock that lasted almost a week. On my next trip to NYC I went to the Dakota and talked with a garage attendant who had been there when it. happened. He walked me through
    the events of that afternoon and evening. He pointed out their apartment and saw Yoko's car in the private courtyard...
    Hi Pamela. Do you frequent rec.music.beatles? I don't, unless some Beatles question occurs to me every few years. I just finished the "Get Back" series and found John most delightful. Impish, unsurprisingly clever, and a veritable
    fountain of musical ideas. One annoyance I had with "Get Back" was how, of the well over a hundred songs they started in it, NOT ONE was played to completion until they got to the roof. (And then, they played several songs repeatedly). I wish they had
    played the Drifters' "Up on the Roof," though I know they were doing the album. (Not sure if they have ever done "Up on the Roof" (gotta check out my Anthology albums. Googling that is hopeless, as all the hits are for the rooftop concert).

    Anyway, here's a link to a thread at rec.music.beatles where a learned fellow analyzes many of Lennon's musical contributions to the group's oeuvre, and his conclusion that John was a terrific musician, I think, is born out by the "Get
    Back" series: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.beatles/c/Z2kOvv1amZk
    Hi Willie,

    I think the reason they didn't show some of the songs to completion was that the rehearsals were long, and would have been too repetitious. And, perhaps, those snippets were the best in the dozens of hours of film. I am loving this great,
    almost 8 hr, docu-series for the second time through. In fact, I am getting more from it the second time around than I did during the first viewing. I come away with the sense that these guys were dedicated, hard-working musicians. When the red "record"
    light came on, the fooling around ceased. I truly appreciate what they were going through in January 1969. They had just released the double-album "The Beatles" only two months earlier. It was a studio album with over dubs, recording separate tracks etc.
    And then they found themselves recording all new songs, LIVE, no studio tricks and so on. what a change. As you know, I've been a fan since 1964. The Beatles, over 50 years since their break-up, continue to impress me.

    Marc
    Doh! I thought, They released a double-album in '68 called "The Beatles"? I then learned, which I'm not sure I had ever apprecieated, that the "White Album" is actually "The Beatles." Weird, I thought, wasn't their first album called "The
    Beatles"? Then I checked and see their first album was called "Please Please Me." That, of course, was the English release. I checked my vinyl and see my first was called "Meet the Beatles" and says on the cover "The First Album by England's Phenomenal
    Pop Combo." It didn't even have "Please Please Me" on it. In fact, "Please Please Me" wasn't released here until the 1965 "The Early Beatles" album (which I never bought; wasn't even aware of it even though its cover looks SO familiar). (I would never
    post this to the Beatles group, lest I be ridiculed, though there seem to be moderated and unmoderated versions of rec.music.beatles). I wonder if they solved the problem RMD had (when everyone left for Expecting Rain or other places) by making a
    moderated version of the group.

    Here's the U.S. discography: https://www.beatlesbible.com/discography/united-states-of-america/
    There was also a moderated version of rec.music.beatles many years ago, but the moderators closed shop , and the "regular" RMB continued as it always had. I last posted in RMB around 2017. It had become such a former shell of its great days
    with so many trolls and so much fighting that I decided it just wasn't worth it. And I discovered there were so many great Beatles groups on Facebook that I no longer needed the drama. I look at RMB every now and then, but it is quite disappointing to
    view how it has become the haven for gossip, quoting questionable books about The Beatles and Lennon, and sadly, people still bashing Yoko...yes, after all this time.
    So it sounds like RMB suffered the same fate as RMD (trolls drove people off). But from my quick trips over there, it seems pretty vibrant to me. That post by "paramucho" critiquing Lennon's musicianship was excellent. But I was surprised that it
    wasn't all abuzz about the "Get Back" series. I notice that Google reports it as having 183709 threads, compared to our 166981, so not much difference. But I don't know how far that goes back. K. could sleuth that out. It's interesting that the Beatles,
    who broke up so long ago, could have as active an Internet following as Bob, who I believe is still performing. Maybe it's just a resurgence because "Get Back" came out, and RMB had its quiet years too. I see Bruce (aka Bloomfield Buddy, among other
    monikers) is quite active on RMB, lambasting people for listening to White musicians. (I like Bruce a lot, and miss him.)

    I didn't know what to make of Yoko in "Get Back." She hardly spoke (audibly) , but did seem (a strange) part of the family, though there were a few times when it seemed Paul hinted at exasperation about her. And I couldn't tell how comfortable
    she felt there. I'll be interested to learn what you think, Pamela.


    I just received my copy of the Get Back book. I hope it will help me prepare for the extreme Yoko-angst I am anticipating experiencing...
    I think you will find there is no problem with Yoko in the documentary.
    The DVD of Get Back is coming out...I may wait for that... https://brokenheartcasm.com/2702/?fbclid=IwAR0h9wt5Kc9NayWTQ9Br_vHe1kODO9uz0fpUMBMGKX_ua5lFOcxlQ6rUJuo

    I'll second that.

    🙂

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  • From Will Dockery@21:1/5 to Jimmy the Saint on Sat Nov 25 01:06:31 2023
    On Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 12:28:00 AM UTC-5, Jimmy the Saint wrote:

    may his spirit live forever!

    I watched some of the Get Back film this past week while house sitting in a place with Netflix etc cetera, and it revived in my memory why The Beatles circa 1968-70 were such a big deal for me back then.

    Wonderfully restored footage.

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  • From Pamela Brown@21:1/5 to Will Dockery on Tue Nov 28 03:52:25 2023
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:06:34 AM UTC-6, Will Dockery wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2005 at 12:28:00 AM UTC-5, Jimmy the Saint wrote:

    may his spirit live forever!

    I watched some of the Get Back film this past week while house sitting in a place with Netflix etc cetera, and it revived in my memory why The Beatles circa 1968-70 were such a big deal for me back then.

    Wonderfully restored footage.
    They were...

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