• Joni and Bob ("Talk to Me")

    From Just Walkin'@21:1/5 to Willie on Sun Jun 27 20:38:41 2021
    On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 12:39:01 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    I was reading an old (2017) interview with David Yaffe, about his then recent biograpy of Joni Mitchel. It includes this:

    "'Joni was originally a Dylan detractor. She thought he was just a Woody Guthrie imitator. She didn’t see what the big deal was at first,' Yaffe said. But when she heard 'Positively 4th Street,' she changed her mind, he said. Hearing the song —
    especially the line 'You’ve got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend' — was exciting and represented a new world of possibilities for personal, intimate lyrics. 'When she heard that, she thought, ‘Oh my God, now we can write about anything,’'
    Yaffe said."

    In this "Far Out" article (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/joni-mitchell-song-about-bob-dylan-talk-to-me/), Joni is quoted as saying, "We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I,” she said. “Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his name
    and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.”

    The article says that Joni's great song "Talk to Me" is addressed to Bob. It contains lines like:

    "You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!
    Come and spend some on me--
    Shut me up and talk to me!"

    (Then she literally squawks like a chicken.)

    I always listened to that song with no particular person in mind. but it being Bob does kinda fit.

    I haven't watched the Scorsese "Rolling Thunder Review" film yet. But the "Far Out" article includes this from it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI&t=51s
    Does the film offer footage with more insights into their attitudes toward each other?
    Great share, Willie. Hope all is well.

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  • From Will Dockery@21:1/5 to Just Walkin' on Wed Jun 30 03:07:01 2021
    On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:38:42 PM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
    On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 12:39:01 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    I was reading an old (2017) interview with David Yaffe, about his then recent biograpy of Joni Mitchel. It includes this:

    "'Joni was originally a Dylan detractor. She thought he was just a Woody Guthrie imitator. She didn’t see what the big deal was at first,' Yaffe said. But when she heard 'Positively 4th Street,' she changed her mind, he said. Hearing the song —
    especially the line 'You’ve got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend' — was exciting and represented a new world of possibilities for personal, intimate lyrics. 'When she heard that, she thought, ‘Oh my God, now we can write about anything,’'
    Yaffe said."

    In this "Far Out" article (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/joni-mitchell-song-about-bob-dylan-talk-to-me/), Joni is quoted as saying, "We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I,” she said. “Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his
    name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.”

    The article says that Joni's great song "Talk to Me" is addressed to Bob. It contains lines like:

    "You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!
    Come and spend some on me--
    Shut me up and talk to me!"

    (Then she literally squawks like a chicken.)

    I always listened to that song with no particular person in mind. but it being Bob does kinda fit.

    I haven't watched the Scorsese "Rolling Thunder Review" film yet. But the "Far Out" article includes this from it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI&t=51s
    Does the film offer footage with more insights into their attitudes toward each other?
    Great share, Willie. Hope all is well.

    Hello friends, seconded that I hope all is well.

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to Will Dockery on Wed Jun 30 06:45:52 2021
    On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 6:07:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
    On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 11:38:42 PM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
    On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 12:39:01 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    I was reading an old (2017) interview with David Yaffe, about his then recent biograpy of Joni Mitchel. It includes this:

    "'Joni was originally a Dylan detractor. She thought he was just a Woody Guthrie imitator. She didn’t see what the big deal was at first,' Yaffe said. But when she heard 'Positively 4th Street,' she changed her mind, he said. Hearing the song —
    especially the line 'You’ve got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend' — was exciting and represented a new world of possibilities for personal, intimate lyrics. 'When she heard that, she thought, ‘Oh my God, now we can write about anything,’'
    Yaffe said."

    In this "Far Out" article (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/joni-mitchell-song-about-bob-dylan-talk-to-me/), Joni is quoted as saying, "We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I,” she said. “Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his
    name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.”

    The article says that Joni's great song "Talk to Me" is addressed to Bob. It contains lines like:

    "You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!
    Come and spend some on me--
    Shut me up and talk to me!"

    (Then she literally squawks like a chicken.)

    I always listened to that song with no particular person in mind. but it being Bob does kinda fit.

    I haven't watched the Scorsese "Rolling Thunder Review" film yet. But the "Far Out" article includes this from it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI&t=51s
    Does the film offer footage with more insights into their attitudes toward each other?
    Great share, Willie. Hope all is well.
    Hello friends, seconded that I hope all is well.

    Thanks Will and Ken. Ken, just wanted to say that my son David is about to move from Minny to Providence, RI. (His wife got a research job at Brown.) He's gonna miss Minny, which he loves. He just went to a party concert there where a dude named Nur-D
    played. Only in Minny!: https://youtu.be/_R7NmHFU0rE

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  • From nate@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 22:39:57 2021
    I haven't watched the Scorsese "Rolling Thunder Review" film yet. But the "Far Out" article includes this from it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI&t=51s
    Does the film offer footage with more insights into their attitudes toward each other?
    Nice find....

    this has been circulating. what an evening in Roger McGuinn's Toronto abode.

    i saw another that used a black & white photo of this session over-imposed on an audio-only of Joni doing Baby Blue with some intriguing word changes.

    - nate

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  • From Zod@21:1/5 to Willie on Thu Jul 1 13:16:57 2021
    On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 1:39:01 PM UTC-4, Willie wrote:
    I was reading an old (2017) interview with David Yaffe, about his then recent biograpy of Joni Mitchel. It includes this:

    "'Joni was originally a Dylan detractor. She thought he was just a Woody Guthrie imitator. She didn’t see what the big deal was at first,' Yaffe said. But when she heard 'Positively 4th Street,' she changed her mind, he said. Hearing the song —
    especially the line 'You’ve got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend' — was exciting and represented a new world of possibilities for personal, intimate lyrics. 'When she heard that, she thought, ‘Oh my God, now we can write about anything,’'
    Yaffe said."

    In this "Far Out" article (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/joni-mitchell-song-about-bob-dylan-talk-to-me/), Joni is quoted as saying, "We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I,” she said. “Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his name
    and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.”

    The article says that Joni's great song "Talk to Me" is addressed to Bob. It contains lines like:

    "You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!
    Come and spend some on me--
    Shut me up and talk to me!"

    (Then she literally squawks like a chicken.)

    I always listened to that song with no particular person in mind. but it being Bob does kinda fit.

    I haven't watched the Scorsese "Rolling Thunder Review" film yet. But the "Far Out" article includes this from it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI&t=51s
    Does the film offer footage with more insights into their attitudes toward each other?


    Wow

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  • From Willie@21:1/5 to nate on Thu Jul 1 18:12:52 2021
    On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 1:39:58 AM UTC-4, nate wrote:
    I haven't watched the Scorsese "Rolling Thunder Review" film yet. But the "Far Out" article includes this from it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI&t=51s
    Does the film offer footage with more insights into their attitudes toward each other?
    Nice find....
    this has been circulating. what an evening in Roger McGuinn's Toronto abode.

    i saw another that used a black & white photo of this session over-imposed on an audio-only of Joni doing Baby Blue with some intriguing word changes.

    - nate

    Whoa, thank you Nate. I thought I had ALL of Joni, but your post led me to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlnvQs3usI

    Which led me to this, of which I hadn't heard (though a lot of it is on other albums: https://jonimitchell.com/music/album.cfm?id=24

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  • From Will Dockery@21:1/5 to Willie on Tue Jul 6 18:47:34 2021
    On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 1:39:01 PM UTC-4, Willie wrote:
    I was reading an old (2017) interview with David Yaffe, about his then recent biograpy of Joni Mitchel. It includes this:

    "'Joni was originally a Dylan detractor. She thought he was just a Woody Guthrie imitator. She didn’t see what the big deal was at first,' Yaffe said. But when she heard 'Positively 4th Street,' she changed her mind, he said. Hearing the song —
    especially the line 'You’ve got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend' — was exciting and represented a new world of possibilities for personal, intimate lyrics. 'When she heard that, she thought, ‘Oh my God, now we can write about anything,’'
    Yaffe said."

    In this "Far Out" article (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/joni-mitchell-song-about-bob-dylan-talk-to-me/), Joni is quoted as saying, "We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I,” she said. “Bob is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his name
    and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.”

    The article says that Joni's great song "Talk to Me" is addressed to Bob. It contains lines like:

    "You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!
    Come and spend some on me--
    Shut me up and talk to me!"

    (Then she literally squawks like a chicken.)

    I always listened to that song with no particular person in mind. but it being Bob does kinda fit.

    I haven't watched the Scorsese "Rolling Thunder Review" film yet. But the "Far Out" article includes this from it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI&t=51s
    Does the film offer footage with more insights into their attitudes toward each other?

    You might find this interesting, Willie, here's Camille Paglia on Joni Mitchell, from Break, Blow, Burn:


    https://booksvooks.com/fullbook/break-blow-burn-camille-paglia-reads-forty-three-of-the-worlds-best-poems-pdf.html?page=47


    "Joni Mitchell’s “Woodstock” is a rare exception. This is an important modern poem—possibly the most popular and influential poem composed in English since Sylvia Plath’s “Daddy.”

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  • From Joe Morris@21:1/5 to Willie on Wed Jul 7 21:39:37 2021
    Not so long ago, Willie wrote:
    I was reading an old (2017) interview with David Yaffe, about his then recent biograpy of Joni Mitchel. It includes this:

    "'Joni was originally a Dylan detractor. She thought he was just a Woody Guthrie imitator. She didn???t see what the big deal was at first,' Yaffe said. But when she heard 'Positively 4th Street,' she changed her mind, he said. Hearing the song ???
    especially the line 'You???ve got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend' ??? was exciting and represented a new world of possibilities for personal, intimate lyrics. 'When she heard that, she thought, ???Oh my God, now we can write about anything,???'
    Yaffe said."

    In this "Far Out" article (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/joni-mitchell-song-about-bob-dylan-talk-to-me/), Joni is quoted as saying, "We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I,??? she said. ???Bob is not authentic at all. He???s a plagiarist, and his name
    and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.???

    The article says that Joni's great song "Talk to Me" is addressed to Bob. It contains lines like:

    "You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!
    Come and spend some on me--
    Shut me up and talk to me!"

    (Then she literally squawks like a chicken.)

    I always listened to that song with no particular person in mind. but it being Bob does kinda fit.

    All I think of is Jaco on the bass. Yowza! That might be her most uneven album, but the hight
    points are amazing

    --
    Joe Morris Atlanta history blog
    jolomo@gmail.com http://atlhistory.com

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  • From Will Dockery@21:1/5 to Joe Morris on Thu Jul 8 11:05:09 2021
    On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 5:39:38 PM UTC-4, Joe Morris wrote:
    Not so long ago, Willie wrote:
    I was reading an old (2017) interview with David Yaffe, about his then recent biograpy of Joni Mitchel. It includes this:
    "'Joni was originally a Dylan detractor. She thought he was just a Woody Guthrie imitator. She didn???t see what the big deal was at first,' Yaffe said. But when she heard 'Positively 4th Street,' she changed her mind, he said. Hearing the song ???
    especially the line 'You???ve got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend' ??? was exciting and represented a new world of possibilities for personal, intimate lyrics. 'When she heard that, she thought, ???Oh my God, now we can write about anything,???'
    Yaffe said."

    In this "Far Out" article (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/joni-mitchell-song-about-bob-dylan-talk-to-me/), Joni is quoted as saying, "We are like night and day, [Dylan] and I,??? she said. ???Bob is not authentic at all. He???s a plagiarist, and his
    name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.???
    The article says that Joni's great song "Talk to Me" is addressed to Bob. It contains lines like:

    "You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!
    Come and spend some on me--
    Shut me up and talk to me!"

    (Then she literally squawks like a chicken.)

    I always listened to that song with no particular person in mind. but it being Bob does kinda fit.
    All I think of is Jaco on the bass. Yowza! That might be her most uneven album, but the hight
    points are amazing

    --
    Joe Morris Atlanta history blog
    jol...@gmail.com http://atlhistory.com

    Listening recently to Jaco on the second Ian Hunter album, beautiful funk.

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